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It's both a bad throw and a bad decision. Josh is trowing directly into the strength of what appears to be Cover 4. Could he make it? Sure, but this is a game about percentages and this defense is designed specifically to make this a low percentage throw. Against lesser QBs it would be practically impossible, but because Josh is Josh he says ***** you and throws it anyway. This time even he's not good enough to beat the stacked odds against him. Cover 4 opens up the underneath routes which he had in a wide open Singletary. This is not new behavior from Josh. He's done it his whole career and I posted a video from Brett Kollman about how the Dolphins figured him our last year, but just didn't have the talent to beat him. Now they do and apparently a lot of the league has the same playbook. If Josh doesn't adapt, this will keep happening. He can't fix it with better throws. He has to put his ego aside and take what the defense gives. It's then up to Dorsey to figure out ways to get Josh what he wants by countering the defense.

Taking the points seems like easy money. Yes.

that's a hard truth. They loaded up on the D and spent more money on the defensive line than anyone. Yea, they were down Rousseau, but they had Miller and two high #2 picks in Basham and Epenesa. If they chose to fill the reserve spots with 6th round draft picks, that's on them. Maybe they should have re-signed Wallace instead of letting him walk for basically nothing.

And what difference would veteran talent have made? We've had the exact same defensive meltdowns for years. On top of that - Are we going to sit here and act like Jefferson doesn't tear apart everyone? He's had the best start to a career in NFL history for a WR. Micah Hyde is done. Jordan Poyer might be done. Who knows if Tre White will ever come back again and what he'll look like if he does? Injuries are an excuse, and a bad one. It's the GM's job to fill the roster with NFL caliber players and it's the coach's job to get them ready to play. If you can't win football games because your players aren't good enough or aren't performing to their ceiling - that's not a player problem - it's a front office problem.

Well he used to be a a CB. Apparently he's a Safety now? To answer your question though - No, the bad player is not to blame for making a bad play. The person who put the bad player in the position to make the bad play is to blame. Coincidentally, he's also the person that put the good player in the position to make the bad play the last time this same exact thing happened, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that, etc.

I'm so glad you asked. If the defense doesn't allow Minnesota to convert on 4th and 18 then the overtime interception doesn't exist as overtime doesn't exist.

You really don't see it? You giving the defense credit for making an "amazing" play that they never would have had to make had they made the easy one. The difference between their "amazing" play and the easy one they failed to make is that the "amazing" one required the offense to snap the ball into their endzone, and the easy one didn't. You created a situation (strawman) where the it's the offense's fault they lost the game when the defense presented them with a situation where a kneel-down was impossible. You did this not because it's the truth, but because it's easier to defeat that argument.

You're hopeless. Send me your address and I'll send you a Hooked on Phonics for Christmas.

That doesn't show any work it just shows you quoting someone else from a model that likely doesn't take into account the bills were backed up into their own endzone. Try again.

This is why you look like a 🤡. The fumble wasn't the worst case scenario. If Allen take a safety there, you have to kick the ball off to minnesota and then ask your defense to stop them from getting a field goal to win the game on their own terms - something our defense had proven it was completely incapable of doing because minutes later they would do it again in overtime.

An "amazing" goal line stand in a scenario that they manufactured because they couldn't get a stop on 4th and 18? Do you know what a strawman is? It looks like you've opened a factory my man.

Your math is based on what? The team needed positive yardage to win the game. QB sneaks in 2019 (last year I have available data) has an 88% success rate. 12% of the time you fail. If you fail when you start in your own endzone, that's a safety. So 12% of the time you're going to lose there. Show your work.

That's completely delusional. I would love for you to take that argument to an NFL coach that it's a virtual guarantee to win in that scenario and watch them laugh you out of the room.

Shocking, but true.

I hear if you put things in ALL CAPS it makes them more true. The defense created a situation where the offense had to snap the ball into their own endzone. They did the bare minimum instead of doing their jobs correctly which would have ended the game outright.

100% False. The ball was on the goalline putting the snap into the endzone. Our offense couldn't kneel, they needed to get positive yards to win. In what world is having to get a yard a guaranteed win? The defense didn't put us in a position to win - they deferred the responsibility.

I "ignored" the points from Allen turnovers because without the defensive meltdown the 2nd one never exists. If they do their job one time, we kneel on the ball and go home.

Allen coughed up the ball in the endzone because that's where his defense left it after giving up a 4th and 18 to win the game - again. The defense had an opportunity to win the game and they didn't. Instead they deferred to Allen.

If your QB throws for 330 at 69% completion and run for for 6/84 and he's "the reason you lost" you should be grateful to have such an elite team to make him the deciding factor. Unfortunately that isn't true and it's not what happened. You can't pin the loss on Allen just because he was the last guy who had an opportunity to make a play to win, because he's also the guy who gave his team that opportunity in the first place. Anyone else could have made a half dozen plays over the preceding quarter of football that would have ended the game, but they didn't. Instead, it was Allen's responsibility to drive the length of the field with 41 seconds left to give us a shot and he did. Then the defense folded again and it was Allen's responsibility to drive the field again in OT for a touchdown. Where does it end? How about some accountability from any other member of the Buffalo Bills not named Josh Allen?

Not opposed to a coaching change but what exactly did Sean Payton do except waste one of the most talented rosters in NFL history featuring a top 5 all-time QB? If the answer is "win one Super Bowl and never appear in another", then Brian Billick did that too, so maybe we should add him to the poll

We gave up 13 seconds and the Hail Murray with a healthy roster. We've been giving up 3rd and long and 4th and long as long and McD and Frazier have been here. Injuries are completely unrelated to what's happening here. it's situational decision making that's the problem - not talent.

The same answers he did when they weren't. This isn't a week 10 2022 problem. It's been going on for 5 years. I was praying that Frazier would get a HC job last year and then he kiboshed that with the 13 seconds fiasco. It's basically the same thing he did today and keeps on doing and every time people act surprised.

Sorry you can't blame it on talent when you continue to rush 4 and drop back into cover 4 or prevent year after year in every situation that requires a stop and you get beat anyway. It's not talent, it's situational scheme.

If the defense makes a stop on 4th and 18 it's game over. I guess that was too much to ask from Frazier. He likes to make games interesting with 13 seconds, Hail Murray and the like.

If the defense makes a stop on 4th and 18 the game is over and there's no fumble on the goalline or pick int he endzone. The D couldn't do that so the rest is a consequence of that failure 🤡