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Please let this happen. Rivers in the cold and behind that line would be great to watch. I think he’s going to Indy where they have a line and play indoors.

Poyer was considered bad in Cleveland but before he came I thought he could be good (one of the few threads I have started). I’m down with olgetree. I have also heard AJ Klein’s name tossed around a lot too. I think that’s a good fit too

3 plays from the one against the Washington potatoes tells me that the Bills needed josh for some of those TDs cause the RBs weren’t cutting it.

To me it’s about contract. Diggs is under contract at a reasonable price for 4 years. Golladay is gonna command a lot of money because of his play last year and continued growth next year.

Thanks. Good to hear someone else is seeing similar things. Honestly when I saw Greenard I thought of LorAx a lot not sure his draft position is gonna be worth that role though. I need to put the Chaisson tape on but have heard similar comments about him. I really did not like the Gross Matos tape. Anae was pretty good for the one game I watched but I’ll put that one back in. Honestly Epenesa I thought was clearly the best of the next tier and i would be very happy with him in April

Dont know what your thoughts on him are but would like to hear. I put the Greenard tape in the other day. I really liked what I saw but his athleticism had me a bit worried (Mizzou LT seemed to have his number). He may have that elite hand usage though. The rip and swim across the OL is pretty deadly. I'll say that I think Greenard looked to be winning his 1 on 1 match ups at a high rate and wasnt just the benefit of pressure from others.

I’ve wanted to win the division for a while. This looks a great year for that. I think I maybe more worried about the Jets and their 3rd place schedule than I am the pats (particularly if Brady doesn’t return).

San Fran picked ahead of last year. Feel like they bottomed out and got good value for it.

Oh I am def higher on Harry than Star. And I am super excited for next year when Harry and Oliver are on the field together especially in a nickel package.

I think you said it up thread. They knew they had to roll with him this year. So lessen the hit this year and he’s probably gone next year. If that’s the plan I’m ok and I also share your concerns about not working hard enough.

Any thoughts that they roll with Harry and Oliver as 3 techs and the replace Phillips with a moderate priced 1 tech?

I dont know what to say if you dont want use statistical analysis? Stop using stats in your arguments then I guess (the scientific part doesnt change that its still statistical analysis). Are we really certain Derek Carr and Fitzy arent comparable? Carr >> Fitz for completion and also did better in Ints & yards; Fitz had similar TDs and more comebacks (better clutch). I think Watson is really the one that breaks this analysis, but honestly his ability as a passer is second to what he does with his legs imo so its not totally out of line there (TDs and Ints for those two are very similar; diff is comp %). I will admit this analysis works better for the 32 teams, but I think works ok here with QBs. I think you just showed that these are reasonable guidelines and that QB rating is NOT an accurate measure of QB play. Lastly you think there are only 12 franchise QBs in the whole league....? I think there are more than that; can you elaborate on who those 12 are. Edit: I move over to QBR which includes running and sacks and Watson moves up ot the good category. Also Fitz moves all the way up to 9 (right ahead of Carr!!!!). Allen does drop to the bad category here which is a cause of his sack numbers. Honestly that was part of the problem I had with him at the end of the year (turning his back to the defense). Again as a pure thrower Allen is average. He makes some big plays with his legs but they end up in his passing stats. Allens bad plays come from his legs and show up in his sacks and fumbles not in rating.

The power analysis tells you how many samples you need to understand if there is a true difference. 58.6 is very close to 60% therefore you need many more samples to know that the two things are different. 72% is >> than 60% and you need fewer samples to tell a difference (also completion % is not a good measure of accuracy imo). I think the best way to think of this (and honestly Allen in generally) is Top 4 (Elite), Second Best 4 (Good), Bottom 4 (Terrible), Second worst 4 (Bad), and everyone else (Average). If Allen is 26th then hes in the second worst 4 and is not making the grade. If he is 23 he really is just average cause you dont have the power to tell the difference between him and number 9. These are guidelines but I think they have really helped me thinking about if something is a concern or if something else is as good as it seems. This guideline has gotten me to Allen is an average QB for the most part (some good and some bad) and I consider that a big improvement from last year which had much more bad.

Not all of these are throwing mechanics but a lot are. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1254429-every-nfl-starting-quarterbacks-worst-habit#slide8

I’m on board with most of what you’re saying but 6-10 is a huge amount. That would probably be >100 more yards per game on the season. I think it’s actually more like 1-2 more plays a game. 1 more FG per game is ~0.25 more points per drive by my calculations. That probably puts us in the average average range

Yup I was inclined to agree with you that if a QB is sub 50% it is mostly on him. I think it’s because the other parts that fail may still be because of him. But I also agree with Hap that it’s impossible to quantify. I’m so conflicted on this topic of how much his supporting cast let him down (particularly OL) because he has so many responsibilities. Seeing growth in deep ball and this area is what I want. I’m just not sure how to quantify growth in this like I could the other areas like intermediate passing.

Fair. I really dont know but its what im most interested at this point. I thought I had seen some posts that he was getting a lot of pre snap responsibilities but maybe I misread. I'm really hopeful thats where he takes a leap cause it feels like thats where Brees, Brady, Manning separated from the rest of the league.

I think he had a lot of power to change plays, but I just dont know how often he did. Then I also don't know how successful he was when he did it. But agree I hope its speeding the curve up and will ultimately make a better end product.

I'm struggling with the point I think @Mango is trying to make. I think we know Allen has a lot of responsibility at the line, and I agree with you we can't really quantify how much of the blame is on Allen because we don't have the information. But I think the things such as setting protections and getting to the right play are where hes gonna need to take the biggest jump. Over the season as information about the McVay communicating with Goff at the LoS and reflecting on Brady/Manning I started thinking you need your true OC to be taking the snaps. I totally think Allen has improved a lot in the mechanics of being a QB and also still has a long way to go. However, the real question I have now will be how does HE game plan week to week? How does he read the defense and audible? We know the Bills gave him the control, but is he exerting that control and correctly. Overall, I'm hopeful because of things like his wonderlic score and his lack of football coaching prior to reaching the NFL. I have actually been pretty impressed with how cerebral he is; so I will be very interested to see his growth in the mental aspect of the game in the next season.

I think the idea of Top 4 > 4-8 > Middle (9-23) > 24-28 > Bottom 4 is useful. Basically 9-23 is all the same and there isnt much difference between them. Its only when you get near the edges that you see an appreciable difference. So from this regards Josh is what I though which is average, and I agree thats a big improvement from last year. HAHAHAHA. This place would explode if josh had that many interceptions. everyone would say his 300 yards were in garbage time when the game was out of hand already. We've been winning and in tight games so he hasnt had to throw for a ton of yards yet. The few times they have asked a lot of the passing game (and offense generally) it hasnt really delivered. Some of that is on Josh some of it is on others. I am happy with Josh's progression while we win and Mannings stat line for QB growth has got to be a statistical outlier.

Time bandit!

I think McKenzie should be on this list right? I think that would probably be the best move by Beane prior to this year. I would not have played Yeldon over Gore, but still feel we need an upgrade over both them.

Consider the draft breakdown tape of Bryan Edmunds. @thebandit27 I wonder what your thoughts on him are. Looks like a good route runner and a hell of a competitor. OMFG just remembered there was a cover 1 article on him. https://www.cover1.net/bryan-edwards-most-underrated-receiver-in-the-nation-nfl-draft/

Don’t forget that Barkley lost to McKenzie in a throwing competition.

I’m sold on Allen and I still think QBs can be great assets. Always be drafting them for value and trade them. I’m surprised more organizations with franchise QBs don’t constantly churn the late round QBs to get better draft capital.