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I think Bass to black but agree with logic on Bojo.

Epensa's hands are so impressive. He always hits that spot and gets dawkins here (means he was on second team).

Agreed he sticks around but I think hes def PS. I actually would be very surprised if anyone picks him up off the PS (would he even sign with someone else considering his relationship?) and he is very familiar with the system so I think thats a great fit.

Quick google search showed me this one from Boston Herald. God I thought I had homer glasses on but this is dumb.

As other posters have said its just one play. Easily could’ve been a cross block to make a big lane.

Any other links? Did they practice? Was just Allen boring? Covid Camp is really a bummer but a price I think will all pay to see them in regular season.

I would think Duke is more likely to be signed cause he has NFL game tape. There is some weakness in it but he has flashed before so I think he would be snatched up quicker than Hodgins who won’t have even preseason tape to evaluate. Lots of teams got to look at Hodgins in the late rounds and didn’t take a shot. So why would they sign him now when they probably didn’t think he would make their rosters in April.

Thanks. I do find ability to beat out a lot of other QBs in a competition very intriguing. Will be interested to see if that translates to the NFL.

Generally teams arent as deep as ours so I would argue that bumps it right back down. Being picked up by another team is not necessarily a good indicator of if he'll make our team either. It was in the past cause were werent deep, but we had several players get picked up last year after cuts. We will cut players that can make an NFL roster like we did last year, which means many players that could make a roster are definitely not locks. I think were splitting hairs at this point. We both agree hes likely gonna make it; I just see a reasonable path where he doesnt make the team (he has a weak arm and maybe he cant process quick enough as a rookie).

I agree QB is a spot on the roster that I am more concerned there will still be claims made. Covid was ongoing during the draft and many teams knew there wasnt gonna be the typically amount of time with players in the off season. I don't think that has changed that much since then. His strength is his mental processing yes, but that was in one system (I assume UGA didnt change OCs) so I'm not sure the league would think agree he can learn an offense quickly (if there was a preseason and he could show this I would be scared). I agree he will replace Barkley eventually (really need better there), but Beane flat said he didnt expect a QB so its not like they were looking to make that investment so I don't think they are that tied to him. Again he probably makes the roster but he is far from a lock in my opinion.

Yeah most definitely but were talking about roster locks. They have a 80% likelihood of making the roster across the league. So thats a really good chance but not a lock imo so thats why I would have him in blue.

He didn’t get drafted til the 5th so I’m not sure his stock is too high. I actually don’t think they are letting him go by cutting him. Consensus seems to be that there will be less claiming of players across the league so they should be able to stash him (if there is a team I’m worried about claiming him it’s the pats if Newton gets hurt ?). There’s also not a preseason to evaluate if he’s any good. Lastly I’m confused why they are so committed to him when they really had no expectation of drafting him or any QB this year.

Clearly Roberts was the superior returner but McKenzie was the better weapon on offense. McKenzie has also demonstrated the punt return performance that Roberts put out last year (His rookie year of 8.7 yards per return on 21 returns to 8.0 yards per return). Roberts is getting older and I think McKenzie is the shiftier of the two. To me the Black was the no way he doesn’t make the team and I see competition at this spot. I said Blue so I still think Roberts makes the team but I don’t see it as on the team barring injury case. I think that’s not an unlikely scenario. Hence Blue. Fromm’s stock is very low across the league. I think the Bills feel pretty safe that putting him on the PS would still give him time to develop. And a 5th round pick is not a lock.

Only change from me is Roberts to Blue. I could see McKenzie taking away his role. Not sure of Roberts contract though. great work as always Gunner

So this debate has me thinking about does Josh Allen have the clutch gene which many of us agree is real ( @GunnerBill) or is this stat about 4th quarter comebacks wrong again (Sanchez/Tebow), again agree this stat is not a good predictor. So far in this thread one of the unmentioned point is Allens 4th quarter numbers overall. Buffalo Fanatics said he was the BEST 4th quarter quarterback and I think it’s hard to disagree. I will agree sometimes Josh is a big part of the reason we need a comeback. But based on his 4th quarter stats and the ways in which he put us on the door step of a tying or winning (Pats x2, Browns, Ravens, Texans) in other games, I think we can say he has the clutch gene. He needs to get more consistent and then some of these will not be comebacks or will be game sealing drives. But I think we can feel good he has a clutch gene.

Why are parts of this discussion so binary. There are levels of uncooperative not just cooperative and resisting handcuffs. I think I would have been worse than Ed. @Call_Of_Ktulu I'm not sure if youre not reading the whole thread but its been pointed out several times that the beer can was for spit. How it got empty is a different story but its pretty clear now he wasn't drinking it when they pulled him over.

Yeah most QBs would get the job done against Denver considering they could only manage 3 points. I think it was the challenging wind conditions for why I thought Allen and offense had a pretty good day.

I would put the Denver game up there too for Josh. Conditions were miserable but he was still 60% and we kept a good lead most of the game. As I mentioned Steelers on the road would’ve been good if not for a few drops. back to the original point I do think the offense got better as the season progressed and I don’t really see the case against it. The giants game is about the only example to me. Conversely I think two games of improvement against divisional opponents on the road shows why they did improve. Do you think If we replaced our first three games with Denver Steelers and Dallas we would’ve won? I really think the schedule makers did us a solid last year.

Fair that 1st half against the Giants was good (forgot how good) but second half was bad. As to the offense not getting better that ludicrous. 2 of the first 3 weeks were that ridiculous jets game and the Cincinnati game. Dallas was a not bad def and we ate their turkey. Against the Steelers we had costly turnovers (interception off beasleys hands and singeltary fumble) in Pitt territory. Hell look at our divisional games. We struggled with Mia at home and we smoked them the second time on the road. We played the patriots better the second time again in the road. So I think it clearly got better. Agree though that we were fortunate to have a cup cake schedule particularly early in the season. Not sure we beat Dallas or Pitt if we play them early in the year.

3 of those 4 games came early in the season when we were still working our offense out. Our first three game of offense was terrible but isn’t it common knowledge that the first weeks of the season have the weirdest results. I wouldn’t say we took the whole game to put Mia away as we took a lead we wouldn’t relinquish with ~1 min into the 4th quarter (we just played super bad in the first half). lastly the Steelers game was a comedy of errors on offense. I recommend the cover 1 breakdown.

Honestly I expect a lot of empty packages from 11 personnel in the coming year. Will be interesting to see if Gabe Davis gets some run in 11 personnel. I think with his bigger size you could have a pretty good package for running against a nickel package.

Thanks! Sorta a cop out to "watch" out for the chiefs when the were already so good (tied for best YPA). I do think we might have the biggest jump in production in 11 personnel.

Where did we rank in the 11 personnel? We seemed to do much better later in the season with that set. I think that personnel package can really get better with the addition of Diggs.

Current question you're talking about is if they are hiding Allen. I dont think they are, and I dont think those numbers show that they are trying to hide him. I agree those numbers are not cause for celebration. As another poster mentioned his ability to dominate at times is cause for a lot of optimism (its not just the GW drives its all his 4th quarter numbers which are very good). To your point his consistency is a big reason for concern (why he often has to come back). Based on the outside factors (drops, just fewer total throws in his career) I believe he can improve (he also showed he could get better last year). I don't think Lamar has the same success in all systems, but he is very good right now (I was very ok with him at 22 and using that draft capital to get a ton of other good talent). I do question the sustainability of Lamar's success, but unquestionably right now he is elite.

For the college part I think UND is the top tier of their division and had the surrounding talent to help Wentz out. For Wyoming Josh was really the only threat his senior year. So I would say its the ability of the surround cast: Wentz's cast >> Allen's cast relative to their competition. Also agree its put up or shut up time. If he takes the jump he did from Year 1 to Year 2 this is a really good team and hes pushing to be a top 5 QB. I suspect a smaller jump to the top 12 range (better than average versus average right now) with more playoffs coming.