BuffaloHokie13

Some people really should just hire a driver...

Ben's placement is partially based on the fact that he is contemplating retirement after every season, and that he's benefited from incredible talent at the skill positions throughout his career.

I'd probably put Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Luck, Newton, Stafford, Wilson, and Ryan ahead of Cousins. That puts him 9th, for me anyway. Guys I'd put him ahead of are Rivers, Carr, Roethlisberger, Dalton, Mariota, Winston, Manning, Flacco, Smith. Wentz, Goff, Watson, Prescott, and Jimmy G are still in Wait & See territory.

Wilkins returned to school. Maybe it was an older mock?

5 years, $135M, $75M Guaranteed

21: R1P21 LB RASHAAN EVANS ALABAMA 22: R1P22 QB MASON RUDOLPH OKLAHOMA STATE 53: R2P21 DL TIM SETTLE VIRGINIA TECH 56: R2P24 EDGE CHAD THOMAS MIAMI (FLA.) 95: R3P31 OT BRIAN O'NEILL PITTSBURGH 123: R4P21 WR DANTE PETTIS WASHINGTON 160: R5P21 RB BO SCARBROUGH ALABAMA 168: R5P29 LB MICAH KISER VIRGINIA

Also, I'll be the weirdo here. It's fine. I'd take Rudolph, even if they were both available at 21.

I tend to cling to a single prospect in multiple areas of the draft rather than liking a bunch that will go in the same general spot. Here's the guys I liked: 2010: Zac Robinson Day 2, Dan LeFevour Day 3 2011: Cam Newton Top 5 pick, Ryan Mallett Day 2, Tyrod Early Day 3 2012: Luck obviously, Russ Wilson Rd 2 2013: Geno Smith Rd 1, Landry Jones Day 2 2014: Blake Bortles Top 10, Aaron Murray Day 2 2015: Marcus Mariota Top 5, Garrett Grayson Day 3 2016: Jared Goff Top 5, Cardale Jones Day 2, Brandon Doughty Day 3 2017: Deshaun Watson Mid-1st, Davis Webb Day 2, C.J. Beathard Day 3 2018: Josh Rosen Top 5, Mason Rudolph Late 1st, Riley Ferguson Day 2, Mike White Early Day 3

He said the whole of 2018, not 5 weeks And then I saw the rest of your post.

I like him. Cooperish. Not sure I like anything other than DL, LB, or QB in the first tho.

What about them? Those aren't the stats he used. Nobody said anything about our offense was good in any capacity. That doesn't change that ' just someone who can convert %60 of 3rd downs and score 24 points a game.' doesn't exist, and is a completely absurd statement.

I don't think he will be available when we pick, and I don't believe we are interested enough in him (at this point anyway) to trade up for him.

Good. Someone can waste a pick on him and a better QB prospect will fall because of it.

1 game in 2 seasons. 4 games in the past 3 seasons combined

I don't know that I'd call 2 passes for 0 yards and an INT returning to play.

How many QBs convert 60% of 3rd downs?

Carson Wentz led the league in 3rd down conversion % with 49.2%. Drew Brees converted 39% of his 3rd downs, good for 15th in the NFL (3 spots lower than Tyrod).

He was trending upwards? In his 2nd year he went from 224.5 YPG to 201.9 YPG, 3.5% TD% to 3.1% TD%, YPA went down slightly, sack% went up slightly, and he had the same TD total in 16 games that he hit in 13 games the previous year. Also, no matter how he was trending, he blew out his knee! Generally speaking, athletes don't ever fully recover from injuries like that, let alone improve after them. Someone earlier brought up Dalton, Flacco, and Tannehill as better comparisons. Dalton threw for 3,400 yards and 20 TDs his rookie year, and then threw for 3,670 yards and 27 TDs his 2nd year. Flacco threw for 2,971 yards and 14 TDs his rookie year (close), but then threw for 3,600 yards and 21 TDs in his 2nd year. Tannehill threw for 3,294 yards and 12 TDs his rookie year, but then threw for 3,900 yards and 24 TDs in his 2nd year.

The Tyrod & Teddy comparison isn't about skin color or mobility (Teddy doesn't come close). It's specifically about passing production, where they have incredibly similar yard numbers and Tyrod is 1% higher in TD% and 1% lower in INT%. Nothing about Teddy's production prior to his injury said he could even match Tyrod's passing production, and now he's coming off a terrible injury but people think he will be an upgrade? The odds are very much in favor of that not being the case whatsoever.

Yeah. I edited after you quoted.

1st, 3rd, and future 1st BUF gave up #10 KC gave up #27, #91, and #22 the following year.

QB1: 212.1 Pass Yards per Game 6.1 YPA 0.97 TD per Game 3.3% Touchdown % 2.6% INT % 86.3 Passer Rating 5.53 ANY/A 8.9% Sack % 13.7 Rush Yards per Game 4 Rush TD QB2: 201.3 Pass Yards per Game 7.2 YPA 1.16 TD per Game 4.1% Touchdown % 1.3% INT % 92.5 Passer Rating 6.25 ANY/A 9.1% Sack % 35.8 Rush Yards per Game 14 Rush TD

Almost as much passing as Tyrod gives you with none of the rushing! Sign me up!

They made it so you have to register to use it? That sucks.

Pretty different situations. We haven't even hit the offseason yet, Smith is on the final year of his contract, and KC has his perceived successor on the roster and a year into their system and he may supplant Smith before the season starts. Minnesota experienced a catastrophic injury to their starting QB between preseason week 4 and regular season week 1. Bradford had just signed a 2 year contract, and Wentz had yet to even take a regular season snap or prep for a regular season game.