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I think this gets thrown out a lot even when it's a low percentage pass. There are certainly some drops, but more often it's a bad throw that they could've but didn't haul in. Those weren't fooled by the defense interceptions, they we're just awful throws. I feel like you try too hard to absolve him of his mistakes.

That's how he played in college. I really like him, but I was hoping for a Spikes type thumper in the middle. He's always performed better on the outside.

Do you honestly believe that today wasn't his fault? I mean do 2 interceptions not count against him? He didn't look good when he had time and they made him into a passer. That level of ineptitude is a team effort, so I'm not laying it all at his feet. However he wasn't good today.

Short answer is yes. I'd rather have an offensive minded coach mentoring a QB. Right now we have a guy who is hailed as a defensive genius but with a mixed record. He also hired a WR coach to be the QB coach and an OC with a history of the worst offenses in 20yrs and no QB development. We could have Darby, Glenn, and Watkins as more pieces to build around too.

I totally agree with the curve, but unfortunately he was given too much power too fast. It just looks like he is in over his head all the time. He still struggles with time outs. That's not the type of coach I would prefer to run a rebuild.

Discipline and clock management are still major issues. His staff hires have been terrible. Add in the frequent blowouts and I'm not sure how many people can defend him. I keep seeing that he gets the most out of his players, but I see players giving up on the field almost every Sunday.

Haha no not at all. I just think they would be in better shape as far as players because they wouldn't have changed schemes so often. The scheme changes in my opinion were much more detrimental than the coaching changes. I really like a lot that Whaley did, but that doesn't mean he didn't make some mistakes. It just never made any sense to me to build a flat organization and prevent the GM from doing GM type stuff.

Mario after his surgery was dominant. I feel like people are begging to forget about that Dline and how they could get pressure with only 4. I always wonder what state this team would be in if they actually let Whaley do his job.

This just isn't true at all. They actually have a worse line. It doesn't make Allen's stats any better to make false representations of other teams. Allen is showing some great strengths and some of the same weaknesses. It will be exciting to see if he can continue to develop.

Speaking of hills to die on, do you ever add anything of substance or just attack other people's opinions? Anyone being objective would say Allen looks good, but that the Cardinals are the biggest mess in football. It's amazing that any negative Allen has is his supporting cast but with Rosen It's all his fault. You can really like Allen's progress and dislike the comparison.

Check out the Cards before you make that assessment. Fitz has been hurt a lot and he is the only good one this year. They have a worse line and run game somehow. Both teams are abysmal.

They sure do. How does one of the worst redzone team end up as one of the top overall? They actually benefit from teams not getting a ton of yards with a short field most of the time.

He doesn't get thrown at. When he does he isn't winning the matchups. He is good, but people just called him a lockdown far too early.

He ran the offense at Tennessee. Josh Allen is probably never going to be at that level and it has nothing to do with coaching. Peyton was a prodigy.

Teams are finally going at him and he is getting exposed. The secondary is so bad that they don't normally take the risk.

We have a lot of old playmakers on defense. I'm not sure this is true. Plus, the red zone defense is terrible.

Both have looked equally terrible and promising. I know you won't be objective about this so it's not worth continuing. Arizona is far worse than the Bills and I doubt Allen fans will give Rosen the pass that Allen gets when he looks bad.

Fitz was injured and David Johnson is a shell of himself. Throw in an Oline that might be worse than ours and you have a dumpster fire. They have even more to rebuild than the Bills. It's going to be a while.

The Hall of Fame isn't about most players. It's supposed to be the elite few.

There guidance is that entrance is based on stats. He threw 50 more interceptions than TDs in his career. Even his 4k yards season had more ints than TDs. He started hot and faded fast. It's not the Potential Hall of Fame.

Or even right tackle. Unless he has a knee thing.

I didn't think he was all that great late last season. He gets beat with speed and has no ability to recover. It's the 1on1 problems that makes me think he is overrated.

I think Dawkins might be our most overrated player. He gets a lot of passes here, but I think that Glenn trade might turn out to be their worst. That whole line is subpar.

You realize that his dad was a Pro Bowl player right? Many of his issues right now are the same ones from college. I really like him, but his natural position is definitely outside.

Yeah not everything needs to be a bullet is the dead horse around here. I've seen some posters suggest they teach receivers to catch his passes vs teach him some touch and I don't think that is going to work. They need these to start connecting to be legitimate deep threat.