Sojourner

Fair points, age can definitley play a part in terms of how you can pan out but if you’re old and raw that’s as much on a player and their willingness to be the best coupled with a great positional coach. I’m not sure who his was in college but they are a necessity for installing the basic and unconscious fundamentals you have when playing the game. A pro coach is where they master fine tuning what they do best. Bro, I’m a huge fan of Dorian and think he could be a decent starter in this league if he was more disciplined but Roquan Smith he definitely is not.

Seems like everyone is in divided camps as to who to blame. Some guys at work think offense, the others think defense. Im in the offense camp. This may be a repeated but simplified post, the defense doesn’t get it done for this team. It’s usually 8/9 out of 10 the offense and Josh who’s winning us a game. The expectation of a low standard was met and exceeded in some way by what fans believed/wanted going into that game. The offense didn’t. They let a lot of their usually quality execution missed and on the field. Is it unfair to rely on the offense/josh to do so much? Yes. Is it unfair to not make the buck stop at the defense in the bigger picture? Yes. There’s no game changer on defense. That’s not an excuse but the talent is somewhat lacking, even with Benford in that unit. That’s a front office problem. There’s definitely one, at least 2 if you count his (Cook) performance in the AFCC and a top end OLine on the offense. Defense is a huge problem but, by season standards, coaching and execution on the offense lost us the game. The offense are the butter for our bread, the hand that feeds, the life-raft on a sinking ship.

Dorian Williams>Roquan Smith?! Shakir=AB84?! Kincaid=Tony G?! F me bro. That’s some wild takes lmao

The sad thing is, his off the field antics, ego and persona are going to lead people to deem him just being “T.O.” and “going off on a random nonsense rant”. There’s weight to it. Especially with a guy who played at a high level for 15 years and was around first hand for a lot of the rule changes we see that team benefit from. Sad, cause like others have said in this thread, things aren’t changing. Especially not anytime soon.

I think he might even get an extension and some new money to appease him if he’s even thinking about wanting to leave the team. Not that it happens this year but rather at the end of this upcoming season into the next off.

Hes really doubling down on his innocence…

About to spend that kind of $ on Groot. We weren’t able to though realistically due to the Von handcuff. Might be the worst thing of this whole regime. Can’t hold injuries against them.

lol yeah, a guard playing LT. Shut him down too whenever he was lined up there. 😔 (sarc)

You aren’t kidding. Some of those guys were so good that we hoped they’d resurrect their play; Star/Butler/Mario Addison. On top of that he had decent ends in Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy and Koby Ealy that SB run. Pair all those guys with Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, Shaq Thompson and a rotational AJ Klein… Pretty solid box defense. Secondary had some quality too. That defensive scheme isn’t that far different. Why is that a SB caliber one and here not? Player talent on the field is what I find myself going back to. A lot of decent players only.

JFC. The internet never fails to win…

Both of you made fair points for either side of the argument and it all depends on personal perspective. It can be both good and bad. Will say though, if you’re relying on lucking out with your early draft picks, that’s not a tangible way to operate roster building. Once in a while you can luck out, once in a while you can have a bust. Collectively it needs to have moderate success if you’re wanting to have longevity as a winner.

Precisely. Absolute elite pass rushers let alone the ones that can play the run well also are few and far between. There’s not even 10 in the league. Crosby/Garrett/Watt/Bosa are the only complete ends against both play types I can think of. There’s some great pass rushers but if you’re giving up astronomical resources it better be a guy who’s on the field most of the snaps and excels at stopping both the run and pass.

Fun fact: Reggie Bush and Davis Webb have the same career rushing yards for the team.

Over the last 10 years of reading this board it’s actually pretty hilarious the amount people get right on here and the front office so wrong. If you did a poll, made the trades needed to get the players that were the majority pick, we’d actually have an impressive roster. Conversely, we wouldn’t have Josh. Well, Josh Allen that is lol

Yeah, I might have misunderstood that. There wasn’t much clarity so apologies on my end. With you on Oliver. He was about the only guy I can give credit to for putting in a shift the whole game. Groot, let down. AJ, let down. Von, let down. A guy that can disrupt the middle will be a remedy to help anyone we have going into next year on that line which in turn should help the secondary. Sadly, it could end up being another season too late.

Very wel said all around! You aren’t relying on the defense. You are relying on Josh. Josh has won the franchise more games than the defenses ever have. Is it actually fair? Probably not lol Is it justified? You bet your a— is it!

Agree with you on the fact they’re not great. They’re ok. But Ok doesn’t get you a Lombardi. However, the bolded isn’t true. It’s just not consistent. If you don’t think Jordan Phillips walking a guard 5 yards backwards into a QB and sacking him in the AFCC isn’t a game changing play in a big moment, I don’t know what to tell you bro lol The Chiefs score a TD there if he doesn’t do that. No ifs ands or buts. Kelce is coming open in the middle of the EZ as JuJu holds out LBs underneath. Who knows wtf Douglas is going to do against Hopkins, the All-22 shows him believing that the play is over before Mahomes is actually even completely on the ground. 😬 We need better, no question. They’re subpar for a Super Bowl aspiring team. But they do show up on occasion, whether the game is big or small. They just don’t do it consistently. Consistency is just as much a player problem as it is management/coaching

The ones that are going to be available when we pick? Right now there’s a few but it depends on their combine/pro days. People that are getting all the talk so far around the end of the first through early second from what I see are: Walter Nolen, Ole Miss Tyliek Williams, OSU Derrick Harmon, Oregon TJ Sanders, USC They all all have question marks but Harmon and Sanders are my favorite out of that group. They’re both pretty solid at stacking and shedding against the run. Something we sorely lack, both however can rush the passer as well. Motor is the big thing for me. A guy who’s constantly trying to bring it on every play. Both can do that but I’d take Harmon personally. He’s got production against quality team over his career whilst Sanders, in terms of potential might edge Harmon for some, lacks top end experience. If we are going on raw ability and measurables then I think Kentucky’s Deon Walker and Texas’ Alfred Collins are guys to watch who could test well and improve their draft stock during the coming months. Still a lot of coaching needed but both are solid against the run. Walker anchors well and plays with great effort but sometimes that’s his downfall as he gets caught out by his technique with leverage and hands. Something at his size effectively wipes him out of the play. Definite refinement needed in that department. Alfred Collins, Texas is in the same area for me. Personally, those two are my favorites after the Michigan duo of Graham and Grant but we realistically aren’t getting a crack at them without trading up in the draft unless something goes horribly wrong for them both.

Is this how you remind us?

Im going to vote they Nix this idea before they have a Whaley of a time. It would how ever be very on Brandon, Donahue think?

The third round pick didn’t warrant the production. Can’t see it being the dramatic difference we need even with an off-season.

Blessings to you too. Appreciate the rationality in looking at the bigger picture in your post. A better WR makes the offense easier and a legit DT in the middle solves a lot more problems for Ed, Groot and AJ. Would still like pass rusher addressed however as the guys we have on the roster don’t show up in the bigger moments. The one who has in his career is past his prime and not a reliable factor anymore. But the needs are really, with who’s projected to leave and who’s projected to stay: (Bold draft, italics FA or trade) a big 1 Tech DT a WR with speed a CB a stud pass rushing DE safety LBs are at an acceptable and decent place imo. That DE I’d rather they acquire who’s experienced in the league but that’ll cost some which is why I put it further down in the order of necessity.

Dude was one of the few who came in that B ready to play, ready to go. So disappointed for Jimbo we didn’t make a superbowl after that TD effort on 4th down by him.

Young MC? The “Bust a Move” Young MC? Might be accurate lol

Aside from Hunter and Johnson in terms of CB, do you think the next group of Revel/Amos/Morrison are who we could be drafting @ 30? If so, who do you like most? I’ve seen Barron translate to a mineable chess piece. Actually like the idea of a player who can play nickel and safety. Revel’s size probably puts him way before 30 imo. Even though he had injury the tape prior suggests he isn’t scheme dependent for success. Great athleticism and instincts at the position. Morrison’s the same as Revel for me in terms of instincts and physical ability. The guys I’m keeping an eye on are Amos, Darien Porter and Denzel Burke. My favorite guy we have a chance to get is Thomas from FSU. If he tests well I think he easily slides into the first round.