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he has a $60 million cap hit next season. 3rd highest in the league. That could be reason to do an extension. To open up cap room for players like you mention.

yikes

hard for me to wrap my mind around Allen’s passing yards being so low. That’s 220 ypg average. maybe Vegas thinks he finally misses a game or two to injury this year? He’d probably have to miss at least two games to injury to not have more than 3,750 yards. last year was his lowest average since 2019 and he was still at 253ypg

they’ll be looking for a new QB in a couple years after Tua extends his record against winning teams to like 5-26 with no division titles or playoffs wins.

great detective work by you Fire Chans. Go ahead and provide the data to support your claims. You can’t require it from others while giving yourself a pass.

umm, yes. you haven’t given us the actual facts on this. And now you say you can’t seem to find them. not that it matters because we all know teams fail to win more often when they trail. but you mocked @BillsFan130 for not proving data when they actually did so it would be nice if you could actually give us the hard numbers.

I don’t quite understand why @FireChans is choosing to die on this hill. As @GoBills808 pointed out, it is statistically unlikely to win a game you trail in the 4th quarter. Likewise, statistically unlikely to lose a game you lead in the 4the quarter. Breaking news, Bills have few wins when they trail to start the 4th quarter! Fire Chans logic= Allen overrated Breaking now as well, Bills have few losses when they lead entering the 4th quarter! Fire Chans logic= McD underrated

key words “if things were equal”

so many, as in like a handful of Bills fans? can’t answer your question since it is not grounded in reality. This thread is about Allen bro g overrated or not. Not, whether he is better than Mahomes.

My requirement for selecting a WR in this past draft was either elite speed or elite size. I would have been happy with Worthy or Coleman. I think Beane saw it similarly too, hence the trading back and being happy with whoever was left.

I'm not high on McCarthy, but I also though Stroud would suck. Never big on the QB's that come from the schools with the most talent. It does feel to me though that McCarthy is closer to a mobile Mac Jones than he is CJ Stroud. With the right team, McCarthy could have some immediate success similar to Mark Sanchez. But I don't see him being a 15 year franchise QB that lasts in this league.

I'd be surprised if many are given McD and the defense a pass. Everyone knows they are the main culprit holding the Bills back in the postseason. With regards to the offense in total, while yes, no one player besides Allen has stepped up consistently, the offense has for the most part has been consistently good or matched or bettered their regular season output with the exception of the Bengals game. In all three postseason games against the Chiefs, the Bills scored more points than they did in the regular season Bills vs Chiefs match ups. If the defense just plays to their regular season standard in one out of the those three games the Bills likely have a Super Bowl appearance. I think that is in part why the individual inconsistencies of the offensive personnel are overlooked. The Bills are still putting up points making those inconsistences a moot point. But it is a glaring issue when your #1 all pro WR consistently does nothing in the biggest games.

That's true. A player of Diggs salary and talent level has to show up more than 20% of the time in combined divisional/conference championship games. He's had one good game out of 5 and that was the Ravens game, his very first divisional/cc game with the Bills. He was 0-4 after that.

70% of Hurts rushing TD’s (29 out of 41 total)are 3 or fewer yards Only 50% of Allen’s rushing/receiving TD’s (27 out of 54 total) are 3 or fewer yards. Furthermore, 28% (15) of Allen’s rushing/receiving TD’s are from 10+ yards out. Only 21% (6) of Hurts total are from 10+ yards out. Allen’s rushing TD’s have always had greater degree of difficulty. I could only find stats for 3 yards or less but I would venture a good guess that 70% of Hurts TD’s that are 3 yards are less are from one yard or closer. Allen’s probably closer to 50% with just as many scores from 2-3 yards. The Bills did start to heavily turn to the tush push when Brady took over but the Eagles have been doing it for two full seasons now at least.

Diggs had a very similar decline in production in the final seven games of the 2022 season under Dorsey as well. In fact, in all four of his seasons with the Bills, Diggs always had a lower ypr in the finals seven games first the first 8 or 9 games of the season. 2022 First 9 games (Dorsey): 13.68ypr, 72.7 catch % 109 ypg 2022 Final 7 games (Dorsey): 12.33 ypr, 65.5 catch% 63 ypg (46ypg decrease) 2023 First 10 games (Dorsey): 11.89 ypr, 71.6 catch %, 87ypg 2023 Final 7 games (Brady): 9.26 ypr, 58.6 catch %, 45 ypg (42ypg decrease) Diggs playoff track record is also not great. He had good games against a lot of the wild card teams. But it is very much true that he's been a total no show in all four of the Bills playoff exits to the Chiefs and Bengals. Diggs, numbers against Kansas City in both the regular and post season games are mind boggling bad. In the combined 7 games since 2020 he has had one good game which came in the 2022 regular season game: 10 receptions on 13 targets 148 yards and a TD The other six games he was held to under 30 yards in 3 out of the six. He had 77, 69 and 46 yards in the other 3 games.

Disagree strongly. How do you explain Mahomes lack of maturity when Tony’s big foot went over the line? You are deducing that because Allen has a funny and playful personality that it means he is not mature or doesn’t work hard. Like the two traits can’t co-exist. Mental toughness? Is not throwing two go ahead scores in the final two minutes of a divisional road playoff game in which your team was trailing most the game not exhibit A of mental toughness? Making the necessary plays down the stretch in the final game of the season on the road against a division rival to take the division crown after throwing a costly interception earlier in the first half = mental toughness.

Even if all those things are true, at the end of the day it is about results. Allen has proven both on the stat sheet and win/loss column that he is undoubtably a top 3 QB in the league. You don't play at a top 3 QB level for four straight seasons by accident. Underdeveloped at the line of scrimmage. Umm okay, we know he isn't Brady or Peyton at the line.

I already acknowledged that, In the very next sentence so I don’t quite understand why you are bringing that up. I’d rather not make excuses for a player at his age. If he were 27 or 28 then I could probably look past that.

Not me. Adams age scares the heck out of me. He's also coming off his lowest ypr since his second year in the league. We can make excuses for him and say his QB play was bad but that's not a gamble I want to take on a guy his age. It would almost certainly have to be structured as a one year deal. One of the things I love about Aiyuk is that he seems to be a low volume target receiver. Each of the last two seasons he had 114 targets in 17 games and 105 targets in 16. Adams is more like Diggs, maybe even worse so in that he's averaging like 170 targets per season whereas Diggs would average about 160. I like the idea of spreading the ball around more. The top four targeted receivers for the 49ers last year were all around the same: Aiyuk 105 Kittle 90 Samuel 89 McCaffery 83

Farve only won one. He went to two. Had he not won one, he would still be a three time consecutive league MVP.

Wins? I only credit one to Young. That was in his 10th season too. Josh has four years to match that and by then his rushing/passing stats will be through the roof.

That’s a weird way to spell Josh Allen. Off the top of my head and without too much thought I would say without a doubt Allen is the greatest dual threat QB ever.

The inexplicable thing is the difference between regular season vs. postseason defensive performances in these match ups. In all 4 regular season games, and even including the lone loss in 2020, the Bills defense did a terrific job of keeping the score low: 26, 20, 20 and 17 points scored by the Chiefs offense. While the three postseason games the Chiefs offense has scored: 38, 42 and 27. The 27 looks somewhat nice on paper but reality is given the Chiefs offense last year, it's a high number of points. 27 points was 5 more points than the Chiefs regular season average, 10 more than they scored in the regular season match up against the Bills and the most points the Chiefs scored in their 4 total playoffs games last season. The Bills defense also needed one incredibly lucky play to keep the Chiefs from scoring 34 points in the most recent playoff loss.

Interesting seeing the Bills and Ravens at the top by a wide margin. The two are both dominant regular season teams on both sides of the ball. But in the postseason they have conflicting issues. Bills defense is shown to be frauds in the postseason while it's the Ravens offense is shown to be frauds in the postseason.

Shhh. You're not allowed to say on this board that Diggs and Davis were ineffective and that the Bills will have a better receiving core this year.