GunnerBill

Well Cole Bishop for one.....

They had one in the first AFCCG on special teams. And they had one last year forced fumble at the goalline. Think they are the only two?

On offense there is a fair regression to happen. On defense, 32 was a record takeaways year of this regime but we have been in that 26-30 range most years. The Bills have been consistently very good at taking the ball away under McDermott.

It's about cap. It's also about 2025. Josh's cap number is $41.3m I have adjusted the list to remove that team's most expensive QB salary and the Bills are 17th. But almost every team that jumped us have a Quarterback on a rookie deal and they don't count really for the Bills to compare against because it is just a fact that you can't spend as much around your QB once you pay your QB. You pay then because they are supposed to be a guy who elevates. So the more relevant rankig for the Bills is in fact 8th. They are 8th among teams that have paid their Quarterback in terms of cap spent on supporting offensive talent in 2025 as of right now. 1. Commanders $144.5m (Daniels counts $8.5m) 2. Falcons $142.9m (Cousins counts $40m) 3. Panthers $135.6m (Young counts $10.3m) 4. Chiefs $134.9m (Mahomes counts $28m) 5. Bears $125.2m (Williams counts $8.9m) 6. Vikings $119.2m (McCarthy counts $4.9m) 7. Colts $119m (Jones counts $14.4m) 8. Titans $117.3m (Levis counts $2.6m) 9. Lions $116.1m (Goff counts $32.6m) 10. Eagles $113.1m (Hurts counts $21.8m) 11. Buccaneers $112.2m (Mayfield counts $38.2m) 12. Broncos $112.1m (Nix counts $4.2m) 13. Bengals $111.8m (Burrow counts $46m) 14. Texans $108.6m (Stroud counts $9.8m) 15. Rams $107.9m (Stafford counts $49.6m) 16. 49ers $107.1m (Purdy counts $5.3m) 17. Bills $106.6m (Allen counts $41.3m) No this is for 2025. The Diggs money was all accounted for in 2024.

Yea. We are gonna have to seriously disagree there. He really wasn't. He had some plays, sure, but he was overwhelming not effective downfield on the boundary. He played to contact, struggled to separate and did not actually have great contested catch numbers.

Nobody is disputing we need a 1T. We need a corner too. But Brandon Beane needs to say "screw my needs" and take the guy there at #30 he thinks has the best chance to be a legit elite playmaker 2 years from now. Not the guy who can play the most snaps for him for the first 6 weeks because he went out and blew his free agency wad on two guys who got caught juicing. We all make mistakes in our professional lives. The one thing I have learnt in mine is never chase your mistake or compound it by allowing it to influence your next decision. Passing on someone you think could be elite because you "must have" a guy who can start week 1 as a rookie would be chasing your mistake.

And yet his tape showed all the same struggles to separate that he showed at Florida State. He was effective when the Bills got the ball in his hands inside the numbers on manufactured touches. That is who he is. I hope so. But I fear he is who he is. Yea. He can be a niche player (although his contested catch abilities are not actually that brilliant and weren't in college either). You want more than a niche player with the 33rd pick of the draft.

If I was Terry Pegula I'd be telling Brandon Beane he made his bed. His aim is still to find me an elite difference maker in this draft not some role players who can play snaps for me at defensive tackle the first 6 weeks.

Using the screw ups in FA as an excuse to play it safe in the draft makes me genuinely want to vomit.

Keon is a likeable kid. I just wish he was a better player.

Agree with the bolded. That is where I am. Would be happy with either of those but I think they have limited landing spots at the end of round 1. Vikings, Rams, Bills with the Bills being by far the most likely, or they go in the first 10 picks day 2.

I don't know if I see him as a full time edge rusher personally, but you can certainly have a package where he rushes the passer. I think he is a stud. If we are talking about guys with the potential to reach elite.... Jihaad is one of those guys.

Unless some major off field scandal hits between now and draft day there is ZERO chance Carter makes it to 10. But if he does, sure I think he is a guy you make a big move for.

Yea I was a "Gilmore is elite" guy here as well. That was not a popular opinion. Agree with you as well that his ceiling as a WR is a high end #2 / low end #1 big play threat.

I think Porter has some ceiling. I know he is 24 and was a 6th year senior but he has played one year of corner, is a bit of a freak athletically and has the traits you look for. The issue with him is more if he is your only corner pick for a team that needs a starter..... you are going to take some lumps early. The other two I do think are safe floor guys not dudes though. Collins is 23, and is going to be a starting 1tech in the NFL. He might legit be a two contract guy. That is a need for this team so I sort of get it. But he isn't a star. Ezeiruaku is another starter not star to me. I can actually see the Bills loving him. He is their type. But I think his ceiling in the NFL is solid DE2. I think, especially on a team like the Bills where the issue is not enough elite talent, you should be shooting higher with your first round pick. If Thomas is 4.55 as a guy whose calling card is supposed to be his man coverage ability he might even slide out of round 2. Beane drafts his biggest need with his first pick. Always. His biggest need is a corner.

Meh. I don't like Ezeiruaku at 30. I'm probably lower than the consensus on him. But what I see is a guy who is very technically sound but is at his limit. He is physically what he is and there isn't much technical tidy up to do. So I kind of feel he is tapped out. Safe floor. Don't see a ceiling that is more than a pretty reliable 3 down edge who you will be content with as your #2 but when his rookie deal is up you'll let walk. And another team will sign him to a 3 year medium sized deal and then the pattern will repeat. He is my EDGE9. If the Bills pick him in round 2, absolutely no issue. But he won't get there. And I do not think he has the potential ceiling to be a first round pick.

We definitely have high end talent issues. It is beyond debate IMO. The Bills consistently have one of the deepest rosters in the NFL with among the least obvious weaknesses and holes. But they have, certainly among contenders, the least bona fide difference makers too.

This is word for word how I see him (except I didn't watch him at 17). He is a corner and a very, very good one. If you want to have a package for him on offense, sure. But he should limit that and focus on being a corner. If he does he will be elite. The Peppers comparison is ridiculous.

And I'm still not sure the Bills would take Green. 32 inch arms on an edge. That's probably an off the board for Brandon Beane.

@BillsFanForever19 - Ray Cook? I though James's brother was name Dalvin?

McGovern is a very good player.

So hard to say. As @gonzo1105 says.... he could go top 15.... he could also fall to the Bills. His range is wide.

It is the idea that the screw up in FA is a justification for anything in the draft.

What about Pearce and Green? You excluding because you think they will go earlier than you'd be willing to move up to? Or because you think rumoured off field stuff means they are probably not realistic for the Bills?

I broadly agree, although I slightly disagree on Barron I think he is a lock for the top 15. But I'd put a ton of guys in that category of anywhere between #9 with the Saints and #32 with the Eagles..... Mykeil Williams, Shermar Stewart, James Pearce, the three DTs after Graham, Jihad Campbell, both the safeties, the top four receivers, both tight ends.... The guys I think are top 10 locks are: Cam Ward Abdul Carter Travis Hunter Mason Graham Then guys who could go top 10 but are top 15 locks: Ashton Jeanty Will Campbell Jahdae Barron Armand Membou I then think Mike Green and Jalon Walker will definitely go top 20. After that guys have very wide ranges IMO. What I'm trying to get from @nosejob and @Vickveto, not in an antagonistic way, but in the spirit of genuine discussion is ignore that first gaggle of guys who are out of reach... who might fall into the realistic trade up window who they would consider going up for?