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I finally watched this, and I can't say I agree. Not a Keyshawn fan since his Jets days, but he says that Josh is in the conversation for great young quarterbacks but not at the Aaron Rogers/Mahomes level yet. He then goes on to add "to me...some would say I don't know what I'm talking about. He's not there yet, but he's certainly headed in that direction, leading the charge." He follows that up by saying the smartest thing the Bills did, and mentions GM Brandon Beane, was trade for Stefon Diggs. I was actually more impressed by him than most. He knew the players, he knew the history, he knew the stats, and wasn't reading from a cue card. And his comments about JA17 seem on point to me. Is he playing at an Aaron or Mahomes level right now - yeah. So was Wentz for a while. Can we say he's Aaron or Mahomes level - nope. He still has to show continuity and as much as hate using wins and losses or playoff performance as a metric, they count when you're debating the best of the best.

People talking about the Dolphins weak schedule, and how ours is so much harder.... The Jags are amazing. Look at their strength of victory - .667! They're clearly undervalued.

That's...unusual.

@Shaw66 I think the defensive play of the game was the Hyde stop on second down that you mentioned. The Tre INT was terrific, and he seems to have that knack for getting the game sealing pick, but it never happens without Micah's determination to not let that ball cross the goal line. That was just an amazing, physical, one-person play.

I said the same thing to my son in a text. Have to watch on Sunday Ticket while overseas, so I'm a bit behind the "live" broadcast (maybe 10-30 seconds or so.) Text from son after the pass: "TRE DAY!!!!" My response: " Was..was that a pass break-up? They didn't score? I thought that was a TD and am still hoping they'll say he caught it outside the endzone." Few seconds later, me: "YESSSSSSSSS" Son: "Yeah, he ripped it away from him. 3 in the last 4 games for him 🔥🔥." I'm sure there is a way to put the "fire emoji" as a pic, but I already feel awkward enough just typing "emoji." edit: Figured out the fire. Kind of like Tre.

You're right. Hang on, let me fix this... "Hey, NFL, take away that win. The Chargers should have the extra point and basically had a TD near the end, so it would have only been a two-point victory. That hardly even counts. And c'mon, three times the Bills turned the ball over? Clearly they suck. No idea how to close out a game - at best they deserve a tie for that one...Okay? Thx, by3"

My only problem with all that was the moniker of "Achilles." Whilst having your heel be your only vulnerable spot is great for military operation, it is decidedly less so on the fields of the NFL. Whether that be to plantar fasciitis, the dreaded tendon, or an ankle sprain (!), I prefer Mr. Kent. Or even Plastic Man.

Ref. Murray: not to speak for OP, but he was listing the AFC's young guns. Murray certainly is an heir apparent to the old folks home that is the NFC quarterback club. If I have to pick the one that scares me, it's Herbert. Where a lot of teams have gone wrong (Bengals, Jets among others) vs right (KC, Buffalo, sort of Baltimore) is not providing their new QB with a good O line and targets. (Baltimore is a little weak on WRs, but has a good O line, and had a good TE corps with the ability to stretch the field with Hollywood, so I say "sort of" but he was still in a good position to succeed.) Herbert has neither, really, and is still lighting it up. His TD to turnover ratio is better than JA17's this year - it's quite impressive. Yes, he has one phenomenal possession receiver, getting...~70% of the targets. Yet he is near the top of QBs in AYA, long pass completion, QBR when under pressure and when not,. He does equally well out of play-action and when not play-action and his RB1 has been down most of the year with bottom four YPA in rushing. His O-line is mediocre at best, and arguably worse. Get him another good speed receiver and a LT and center...hoo boy.

@BillsIsrael I'd give that two laughing icons if I could. The part in blue is great, but you had me at "You'd have to go all the way back to two weeks ago to find a Tom Brady performance as ugly as Monday Night's."

I know there are discussions/concerns about Beane's drafts, but I look at it like this: How many of the starting players on the Bills from 2008-2017 would be starting on the Bills now? How many would even be a backup? We can certainly be concerned that some of the picks aren't All-Pro calibre, and some (as mentioned by @mjt328 and others) are hard to judge due to injury/youth but I'd argue it gets harder to pick superstars when your players are already darn good. They won't always stand out, and you're not picking as high. The Belichick position is an example. He was maligned in this thread for his penchant to trade down, but when your first round pick is #28-32 for 10+ years, you probably aren't getting HOF'ers. Might as well draft for backup and future potential, which means acquiring more picks to try out. The worse your team is, the more important and likely that your draft picks will (and will have to) have immediate impact. I'd argue the hallmark of a well built, sustainably good team is that the draft picks don't have to be immediate superstars.

And Steve Young.

since the Bills beat the Chargers in the AFL title game in 1965, 23-0, The Bills have played the Chargers 25 times since 1965...25 times... Errr, 19+4+1 = 24...? What happened in that infamous 25th game?

I bet I can tell you the score of the game before it starts...

I have a 21 y/o son who, until we somewhat miraculously made the playoffs in the 2018 season, had known nothing but pain as a Bills fan. That day beating Miami/the Cincinnati Miracle was great, because not only did the Bills finally make the playoffs, but I got to see it with both my oldest son AND my father. Very rare for a guy like me who's deployed more often than not to see a game with either, much less both. My son and I were texting during the game as we try to do - it's a big deal to me, probably less so to him - and he mentioned briefly how much more painful it is to lose the closer you get to winning. I'd like to say I provided some wisdom about "better to have loved and lost" or whatever - but at the moment I found it difficult to disagree. At least if we'd been losing big I wouldn't have been up at 3AM (here) watching us lose. Until I read that line of yours Shaw. And I realized that I wouldn't have felt "better" if JA misses that pass to Diggs. It was a shock to lose in such a fluky way - but the fact we came back and have the ability to win those games is actually a great feeling. Regarding impact on the season, Miami's position...as the immortal line in Major League goes - I guess we'll just have to win them all. After that last drive by the Bills, and the very fact I was dismayed to lose last night shows - this team has the ability to do just that.

Hmm. Would I want eight more sacks from my SAFETY or 10 more INTs... Hmmm. Hmmm. Poyer is averaging more INTs/year than Adams has total over the past four seasons.

That was exactly the reason - and then Culpepper ends up being a shell of his former self due to injuries. Oh the irony. I still remember playing Miami with Culpepper the first time. I was very concerned that he was going to be the Culpepper of Minnesota/Moss/15-1 era. It was like playing Drew Bledsoe...when he was at Buffalo and was outrun by the statue of Ralph Wilson...but without any receivers. Thank goodness they passed on Drew Brees. Although...it might have made TB12 and Darth Hoodie not be the GOAT team they became. Plus I like Drew Brees. That definitely wouldn't be the case if he'd played for the Dolphins.

Even my grandmother, who is 117 and dead for 20 years, voted for Josh.

While you're waiting... https://news.timekills.info/08-november-2020-seahawks-at-bills/ Includes full game version in addition to 40-minute versions I usually post..

I love it.

Debatable. One of my top-10 but both Gladiator and Top Gun have a definite chick-flickesque appeal to them (if that's what you're looking for.) Both are "action" movies that are really just covers for lead character's romantic/love interest driving (his) life, and making him a "better man" because of it. Oh - and regarding Josh Allen...I thought we were still going with stats are for nerds. Guess not.

Or he doesn't understand football. Not sure which is the preferred reality.

1) Win now, and aid for next couple years? SLB or coverage/rush LB (if we have better at either, we can make up for some weakness at the other). 2) Win now and have trade potential next year? OG. Not as big an immediate need as a *good* 1TDT I'll admit, but the defense is more about playing the offense they face each week while a good offense always gives you a chance to win. Additionally, good OL are always an easy trade bait, moreso than DTs (unless they're top 2/3.) 3) Before last week I'd say a zone CB with speed, even if zone wasn't his forte. We'll see where the Bills stand in the next couple weeks on that front. The only reason I'm not still there is our coaches have shown an ability to get young DBs to play to an acceptable level. - So given that, I'd go with a potential upgrade at TE. Even E. Ebron (who I believe has been over-rated ever since we thought the Bills might draft him) but would be a good one-year/this season addition for low long term cost/impact. Again - just concerned with putting so much money...MORE money...into a position that I'm not convinced is actually a long-term need but will become a long-term cost. If we have to go D-line, edge/rusher is my preference over DT, especially 1TDT.

Absolutely concur. I just would prefer it be another area of weakness than the line. I'm a huge advocate of building the team from the lines out, so it pains me to say that. But a DT is not going to help us win past this year, and I'm not convinced is even top three in our needs if we're going for a win-now requirement.

Play that game against the Titans 10 times and I bet the Bills win seven of them. That was an abysmal showing by the Bills, whether you want to blame it on schedule histrionics or bad coaching preparedness, bad execution, lack of concern...whatever...it was one of those games. I hope to God we get to play the Titans again in the Playoffs. If we do, I'll make a bet to donate $100 to a charity of your choice we win.They didn't improve overnight, but they have gotten progressively better. I am rarely confident in anything in the NFL from week to week, but I'm pretty confident in saying the Titans are second to the Steelers in most well rounded AFC team yet further back in the pack than the Bills. They just so happen to have a team makeup that is good across the board rather than dominant in one area (run game included) so it's difficult to focus on playing to their weakness. The Chiefs were very good in the 60's- very early 7-0's, decent to good in the early 90's and again since Reid became coach. They have only been very good/great with Len Dawson and Patrick Mahomes. And neither as on overnight improvement; the Chiefs with Alex Smith were a pretty darn good team and had been improving for a number of years. A *number* of years - not "overnight." The Steelers are yet another example of a team that has been competitive since they got their franchise quarterback. Even won a couple Super Bowls. But they've definitely had their down years and aren't in the AFC Championship game every year. Their trajectory looks something like the Bills are going, minus a meteoric and fortuitous rookie season by B.Roth. Point being, most of those teams that "turned it around overnight" didn't, and the big and consistent change was their QB, and those teams' QBs were much more developed coming in (even Big Ben) than was JA17. I'd recommend you watch the All-22 on that play. It looks to me that when the "best" time to throw that pass - i.e. earlier as you mention and I agree - comes, JA17 is trying noit to get destroyed/sacked and moving the pocket. I'm not sure I can blame the timing on him consciously waiting. It looks to me like he didn't have the opportunity to throw that ball earlier.