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I saw a breakdown on him (linked on this board IIRC). The conclusion was that his hand usage isn’t good enough. That’s a must for consistent success because his arms are too short and he’s too light to win in other ways. He’s got to beat the OL with his initial quickness or he’s done on that rep. Thus the inconsistency we see from him.

Yeah. Looking at the playoff games under McDermott I don’t see a lot of impressive wins. 2017: Lost to Jags 10-3 with Tyrod 2018: Missed playoffs 2019: Blew 17 point lead in WC against the Texicans 2020: Narrowly beat the corpse of Phillip Rivers 27-24. Then IMO had their best PO win of the regime beating the Ravens 17-3. Notably Jackson missed a chunk of that game and and it took at 100+ yard INT return by Tauron Johnson to be the deciding factor. Then we lost to the Chefs 38-24 in the AFCC game. 2021: Stomped a Mac Jones led Cheatriots 47-17. Could also be considered this regime’s best PO game. It was against Mac Jones, but the team was just about perfect. Followed that up with the 13 seconds debacle. 2022: Unimpressively beat the Skylar Thompson led Phish 34-31. Crapped the bed against Cincy 27-10. Obviously this regimes as at least this season to improve. Maybe next as well. But there isn’t much to do now but root for it to happen. But I need to see more in the playoffs to be a believer again. There’s no shortage of coaches that could make it into the playoffs and beat up on the also-rans with Allen and this roster.

I loved the Oliver pick too.

In his rookie season I thought the Bills were going to ruin Allen by starting him behind a trash OL. Oh and I thought the Bills would draft Rosen when they were in the clock.

I agree that winning a SB is very difficult and that some luck is always involved. But that’s exactly why having a HC who is up to the task in the big moments is so important. He can’t choke them away. It’s too difficult and too much has to go your way to even have a chance. Coaches don’t get too many chances with that before they lose the confidence of their players. You have to be kidding me with the Marty S and Phillip Rivers comment. Rivers’ and Bernie Kosar’s careers were both wasted under Marty S. In San Diego his replacement, Norv Turner, was cut for the same mold and finished wasting Rivers’ useful years. I certainly believe we can do better than Turner. There’s no guarantee of hitting on any HC hire, but that doesn’t mean you keep one that you have to hope figures out how to win a big game.

I think it’s easy to love a 4th round pick that has produced at the level Davis has - while he’s on his rookie contract. But the Bills haven’t extended him yet. I think next offseason he’ll find a team willing to pay him $10M AAV but I doubt it’ll be the Bills. And that’s okay if it plays out like that. We tip our hat to him for what he’s done here and he gets paid.

This should go well for you……..

Yup. Fans buying PSLs need to consider what will happen during down years - especially if they are prolonged. That would naturally lead to a poor secondary PSL market. STHs wishing to stop buying their season tickets would have to sell their PSLs at a deep discount or even give them back to the team for nothing. The worst case is more likely for the worst seats, which are usually owned by fans the least able to afford them in the first place. If the PSLs revert to the team then they can be resold in better times. In the meantime the team could sell them as single game seats. People obviously can spend their money as they see fit, but to me this seems a bit underhanded. It is a sneaky way for teams cash in even when they don’t put a good product on the field for awhile. People can respect the humanity of someone and not respect their ability to do their job. To equivocate the two aspects of a person is ridiculous. I’ve known some really good people that are terrible at their jobs.

I’m sure the Pegulas want to win a SB, but they’re also businesspeople. They embraced the opportunity to make a SB run as well as use the associated fan fervor to get themselves a new stadium. It will be interesting to see how hard they go after a SB now that the stadium is in hand.

Agreed. Which is why a HC can’t be the one to squander legitimate opportunities when they present themselves. 13 seconds is on McDermott and is the poison that will eventually kill his tenure here. It will take another year or two to finish the job, but I believe that (and the immediate aftermath) was the point of no return for him here. His failures in the moment and afterward changed how he was viewed and trusted by the locker room. Now it is too late to undo that damage and it just has to play out.

I get very strong Marty Schottenheimer vibes from McDermott. Both are (or were) defensive minded HCs with the ability to turn around poor teams and mold them into excellent regular season squads. However neither could figure out how to win in the playoffs against the best teams and squandered the careers of excellent QBs.

Oh yeah. And always sunglasses either over his eyes or on his head.

@Reed83HOFshould have his own podcast.

I think of him as more of a duck lips guy

TBD and the Bills covers that part of my life.

Buddy of mine needed some large trees taken out. Was thinking of doing it himself. New homeowner at the time and didn’t have any knowledge, but decided to get a price on having someone else do it. The first guy that came out to quote him was missing an eye and several fingers. He just hired the company. Said it was either a job that was dangerous af or the company picked the right guy to come out and quote to scare people. Either way, not worth the chance.

That is not what I said and I have no idea how that was your takeaway from my posts. I said that many posters refuse to criticize McDermott, Beane and Allen. Thus, Dorsey and others get the focus of the blame when things go wrong. I specifically said that while Dorsey did a good job for a rookie OC, the Bills situation called for a more seasoned OC.

So you’re saying everything with the team has been so good that there’s nothing to criticize? Interesting. Seems to me some posters wont accept any criticism of any current player, coach or FO personnel regardless of what transpires.

Yeah, but they then lost the World Series according to the sequel. It was at the very beginning of it which is how I know.

yes. cap=lie no cap=no lie (which is how I’ve mostly heard it from my kids and their friends)

I agree with all of that. I think the Bills had a situation akin to this: Company exec expectedly moves on. Employee who was being groomed to take their place is hired. But there is a huge project that requires a great deal of expertise is just getting underway and this exec will be the lead on it. I’m sure everyone can see the potential for problems there. I will give the Bills brass credit on this front though. they put in place a lot of experience at the positional coach level. It would be interesting to see how that worked out. I’d have rather seen one highly respected and experienced voice guiding Dorsey than several positional coaches with more experience than him reporting to him. Not that the latter didn’t or couldn’t work, but the problems that can arise in that situation are pretty obvious.

I’ll add that the blame for hiring a rookie OC lands at the feet of two of the three people that most TBD posters refuse to criticize. So it’s easier to just blame Dorsey rather than consider that mistakes are being made at a higher level. As for Dorsey, he probably has a bright future. He’s not there yet, but he did not do poorly for a rookie OC. I do question the relationship with Allen though. Mainly it is whether it allows for him to effectively coach Allen hard when needed. I should note that I see this issue with McDermott as well. He hasn’t reined in Allen when warranted either so why would Dorsey feel like he could do it?

You’re not wrong. That was inexcusable. Certainly a fireable offense.

I’m not sure that gets the plug pulled on them, but it might.

A situation bad enough that he’d lose the locker room.