Kirby Jackson

I don’t understand why we are throwing out the game other than to fit a narrative. He got 10 targets. The throws were, for the most part, pretty good. Let’s say 7 of the 10 were catchable. I haven’t gone back through the All-22 but I’m sure @GunnerBill can weigh in on how many were catchable. If we do throw out 3 because, “if Josh threw those 3 they would have been more catchable” his % rises to 53.7%. That would still be lower than 3 of Gabe’s 4 years in Buffalo. His numbers are based solely off of his targets (57) and his catches (29).

I mean, sure, but that feels like we are trying to make the data work for us. They threw him the ball 10 times with the other guys the other day. A bunch of those were catchable. He caught 2 of 10. If we selectively remove that to fit a narrative, his catch percentage rises.

I think your comment on negativity is fair. I think that the flip side is also fair. It’s okay to critique/crticize thinks that aren’t working. His catch percentage is lower than Gabe’s was in every season. We had a major issue with Gabe’s. It’s fair to say that same. The struggles that Coleman is having seem to be similar. It’s not bashing; it’s analyzing. I don’t think anyone is ready to throw Keon away. He has really good ball skills. He’s good with the ball in his hands. His separation is abysmal which leads to his low catch percentage. All of those things are true. He can be a good piece for the Bills moving forward. At the same time, he’s miles from being a number 1 and a long way from being a good number 2. That doesn’t mean that he can’t close that gap. He has some clear strengths and clear weaknesses. They are the same strengths and weaknesses that he had coming out. Hopefully, he improves his release and route running so that every ball thrown his way isn’t a contested catch situation.

The problem is that both of those things can be true. You can also be 13-4, as the Bills are, while allowing 5.6 yards per play. The record doesn’t mean that everything is clicking. It means that they’ve been able to overcome certain struggles. Coleman’s lack of separation and low catch percentage has not stopped the Bills from winning. At the same time, if those things improved the Bills would be even better. It’s not rocket science…

Hey, if anyone is looking for advice on restaurants, hotels, neighborhoods, tours, etc in New Orleans, feel free to PM me. I spent 13 years there and am happy to help with trip planning. I think, God willing, the Bills do make it, I’ll start a thread with all of the thoughts in one place.

I don’t know where to put this but it speaks to the importance of improved playmakers (and to how great Josh is):

The Payton point is fair. He’s coached a lot of playoff games. I guess, said differently, I like playing a team that is thrilled to be in the playoffs vs. one that expects to be there. They’ve waited years for this. They’ve already accomplished their goal. That’s a plus for the Bills IMO.

Fair They did have to wait until about halftime, of week 18 to feel safe. They’ve been pressing for months. The exhaustion isn’t much different. They haven’t been to the playoffs in years.

Oh for sure. You need to watch out for fake punts, etc.. What I’m saying is that they may “no show” like the Bills did in Jacksonville. The Broncos gave everything to get here. The Bills were just happy to be there. The Broncos may show up in the same way. If they do, the Bills blow them out.

Certainly but the flip side is their Super Bowl might have been yesterday. They may just be happy to be there like the Bills in Jacksonville. Not saying that’s definitely the case but this season is already a success for them.

I’m hoping this game is to Denver as the Jacksonville playoff game was to the Bills. Hoping that they are just happy to be here. The Bills should be on a mission. Play a good game and you win.

I think it’s the Eagles for me. I think they are like the Ravens of the NFC. That’s a really good roster that can win multiple ways. If we get to the Super Bowl though, I won’t be too picky about who the Bills play. 😉

This is absolutely one of my favorite things about McDermott and the organization. They really look out for their guys. As I understand it, Buffalo has a good reputation amongst players and agents now.

Based on what? The data suggests that WR contracts and % of cap are higher now than at any point in history. The data says the exact opposite of what you posted. That is all true even before Chase signs his new deal that will certainly be historic.

This is the answer. The market speaks loudly. WR contracts are getting bigger as a total but also as a % of the cap. Teams are moving MORE towards a commitment to the top WRs. I know some people desire “the good ol’ days when players did what they are told.” That’s not sports in 2025. The power lies with the players.

He has 5 catches on 17 targets over the last 2 weeks for 58 receiving yards. That’s not good enough. We always had issues with Gabe’s catch percentage. I hate to be the messenger but Gabe’s catch percentage was higher in each of his 4 years here than Coleman’s. They both have excellent yards per reception. I’m not ready to throw him in the dumpster. There are some things that he does well. At this point though, he isn’t a very good receiver for where he was picked. His ceiling is a role player, and a pretty good one, IMO. I don’t know if he is a top 2 guy at any point and Shakir has the slot locked down. Maybe he can grow into the other piece next to Amari (or whoever ends up as the number 1). At this point though, he looks like a piece and not a guy. That’s not great for pick 33. He has a lot of growth to get where he needs to be. Good post @HappyDays. That’s such an important piece. He’s far from a finished product. Let’s hope that the progression and growth happens.

He just isn’t very good. He wasn’t very good coming out. He can make some plays on fly balls because he has good ball skills. He’s never open so he can’t ever find volume. I think he was about WR 15 for me. He’s no better than that. Ladd would have been a much better pick. That’s not hindsight for me either. I hope Coleman becomes a big red zone target and continues to get down the field. He has some similarities to Gabe but he isn’t there yet.

The rumor was Sunday at 1 vs. Denver. It feels weird but Sal’s “best guess” is that time too. I’d love a Saturday game but think that Sunday at 1 it is. I don’t hate that time. If I were ranking, what I’d want from a quality of life standpoint: - Saturday early - Saturday late - Sunday early - Sunday late afternoon - Monday evening - Sunday evening

Hey everyone, I’m not using my seats next week. I’m sitting with my brother and we are going to sell mine. They are undercover and have heaters overhead. They are around the goal line on the Bills side. They are great seats. You have club access. We are probably going to post them for $1K each (got $1500 each last year). If someone here was interested I’d do $1600 for the pair no fees. That’s less than any pair undercover that I see listed at the moment. DM me if interested. They aren’t loaded onto my account yet so I couldn’t send until tomorrow. I’m going to post them when they get loaded on too.

They likely wouldn’t be using it. They would have it for sale to the whatever team, desires whatever QB, emerges. I’ve heard that some teams don’t love Sanders. The flip side is NFL teams like Drew Allar quite a bit. Can Ward probably is going to be the guy to go 1st IMO. The Pats would be adding at least a 1st to slide down only a few spots. Basically they would get the guy they are going to take at 4 now PLUS an additional 1st & 3rd (or something like that). There is nothing to not like about the result regardless of their draft history. That holds especially true for a team that already has their QB. I’d rather that they get Kelvin Banks than Kelvin Banks AND a Jahmyr Gibbs level prospect.

Not sure what you mean? I posted the draft value chart. Moving from 1 to 4 is the equivalent of the 12th pick. The last 4 guys picked 12 are: Bo Nix, Jahmyr Gibbs, Jameson Williams and Micah Parsons.

No offense, but this would still hold true. According to the draft value chart, the difference in the 1st pick and 4th pick is the equivalent of the 12th pick. If I told you, “you have the option right now to give the Pats the 12th overall pick for nothing,” you wouldn’t do that. That’s the exact point regardless of their spotty draft history. They essentially gave up the value of the 12th pick in the draft and an early 4th by winning today. That’s a bad thing for them and a good thing for us. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

I agree. As I was watching the game, I couldn’t help but hope that would be the outcome. I know that’s the logical answer but it’s hard to not want the Bills to win. I didn’t want them to lose necessarily but had zero issue with a punt from the 35. The Pats are going to be the 2nd best team in the division soon. It’s nice to be able to take away assets in a way. The 1st overall pick would have been an accelerant to their rebuild. They are still going to get good players and have the most cap space in the league. I agree though that the value lost for them today is equivalent to more than a 1st. That holds especially true if a QB separates themselves in the pre-draft process.

Both of those teams had HOF TEs and HOF coaches. The Chiefs have a top 5 defensive player and arguably a top 10 defensive player. I actually look at their roster as incredibly top heavy. Kelce and Chris Jones have come up HUGE in the playoffs. Elite players that have dominated. In terms of the Patriots, you named 3 guys on the defensive side and 2 of them are in the HOF. They weren’t very good or even elite. They were HOF good. Those teams had a bunch of HOF players. We have a habit as Bills fans of overrating our talent and underrating other teams talent. In terms of “all-time great” players, the Bills have Josh Allen and 35 year-old Von Miller. They have a lot of quality to very good players. That hasn’t been good enough. The other HOF caliber guy was Diggs and he disappeared in the playoffs for the Bills. The point being the gap from Garrett to Groot (for example) is MASSIVE. They aren’t “kind of alike.” You can find fringe Pro Bow players like Rousseau. When you get a chance to get an all-time great, in his prime, at a position of need, you don’t say “no thanks” because you’re worried about keeping Shakir or Bernard or Groot or Cook. You can find guys like that (or at least close). It’s much more difficult to find HOF guys that can take over games.