Kirby Jackson

Just to clarify, I’m not suggesting to be like NO. My point was just, you can pretty much always make it work, if you want to. The Packers could have kept Adams, the Chiefs Tyreek, etc… The Bills are in position, if they desired, that they COULD keep Edmunds, Poyer and Motor. It doesn’t seem like a great allocation of resources but they aren’t FORCED to let them go. They need to allocate resources differently because this hasn’t “worked.” The cap can be managed however you want it to be assuming the owner will write the big checks. Ross is doing it now. Benson has done it for a decade+. The Pegula’s have been willing. This is where ownership matters. Mike Brown is notoriously cheap and he’s about to start running into these situations. It’ll be interesting to see how he handles it. That was my entire point.

Lol, the reason that Ramsey and Wagner are going and gone is because the Rams realize that hey aren’t good enough!! If the Rams won 13 games last year, they, along with Robinson would still be there!! You don’t need the number to say “$100M” you need to be able to minimize the cap hits within there. The Bills gave Von Miller 6 years and $120M. They took a 2022 cap hit of $5.15M. It isn’t real!! I’ve been preaching that for a decade in here. I used to see LOTS of resistance. Now, the overwhelming majority of people are in agreement. You can sign, and keep, pretty much whoever you want and need. It is a matter of “is the juice worth the squeeze?” The Bills could EASILY keep Edmunds, Poyer and Motor if they wanted. They know that they need some changes so are going to allocate resources differently. Tyreek is in Miami because they got a haul + space. If they wanted to keep him, they could have. The same goes for Adams. The Packers weren’t good enough with him. They took assets and went in a different direction. It’s not as complicated as some make it out to be. The Bills can EASILY have the space for whomever they want. It’ll just cost more out of pocket now. It’ll hurt future cap years, but like the Saints, you can indefinitely push that out. Instead of biting the bullet and eating Thomas’ big number, they’ll extend him to lessen the blow. @nedboy7what SPECIFICALLY do you disagree with? Happy to discuss in further depth…

It’s really not “that” real. As long as the owner wants to keep stroking checks, you can continue to kick the fan down the road. Eventually you have to add extensions to the restructures (like the Saints are doing with Michael Thomas). You can pretty much have as much space as you need for as long as you want. It’s just expensive to do it.

Getting to FA is a win for him. I was hoping that the Bills could retain him on a decent number. He’s looking at a number like Roquan IMO (5 years $120M $45M guaranteed).

He’s coming off of a really good year (his best). That’s why someone will pay him a bunch of money. His length and range will be really hard to replicate. Edmunds is a very good LB.

That’s a fair concern to me. It probably is a moot point as he likely won’t be there. The TEs are more interesting because they are probably considered “better prospects” than the WRs or OL likely to be available at 27. They all have holes though. That’s why they are different from the Bijan conversation. He’s pretty much “can’t miss” imo. The TEs have ability but potential downside. Is Kincaid a better idea than Hyatt, Downs or Schmitz at 27? This is such a weird draft to me. It’s not a good class (certainly at the top). The Bills still need to find contributors so what is the best allocation of resources. This isn’t a year where they can spend a 3rd and get the same production that they got from Bernard as a rookie.

I’m not advocating for it but am certainly open to it. Say Bijan is 5 on their big board and they project him as an all-pro. If the highest WR or OL is 43 and they project him as a quality starter, what makes more sense? To me, it’s MUCH better to get a cost controlled star than a decent OL or WR. I can draft them when the value might be there (rounds 2 and 3). It isn’t likely to matter though because Bijan is probably gone. He’s just an interesting discussion because he’s a can’t miss star at a low value position. He is probably the safest player in this draft. The TEs are probably a more realistic conversation and they all have some questions.

Remember that Will Anderson said that he is the best player that he faced in college…

Great perspective GB & I think that I agree in this draft. Would you rather Bijan or 44 & 75? That may be a debate (although I think that he goes before 27). I think, for me, 5 years of control, and a potentially great backfield, would be my preference. While I want WR / OL, I am starting to believe that the quality at 27 won’t be there.

For some context, the draft value chart would say that Atlanta at 44 & 75 is roughly the equal value to 27. That would leave the Bills with 44, 59, 75, & 91 in the top 100.

I think that the Bills may move off of 27 (up or down). The 1st round WRs are likely gone. There may be some OL fits that would be a bit of a stretch. It’s possible that the “best value” in terms of overall ranking is Bijan. He’s a top 5 player in this draft. It’s a low demand position but likely a need for the Bills. The TEs may be “decent value” at 27. Again, it isn’t the Bills biggest need but they could find ways to make the right player help the offense. It’s, potentially, a matter of need vs. quality of player. How far, if at all, off your big board do you go to fill a need? That’s what we are (potentially) dealing with. For me, I’d stick to my board as closely as I can, weighted towards positions of need. I’d be committed to helping the offense though. That’s why I said I would take Bijan/ TE > defense.

They weren’t perfect in 2019 but I’d argue, had a shot. They had to have everything go wrong vs. the Texans to lose in OT. The next week the Texans blew a 24-0 lead at KC (who went on to win the Super Bowl). They would have needed things to go right but it wasn’t like the Jags playoff game where they should have been happy to be there. That 2019 team was probably the 5th or 6th choice to win the SB when the playoffs started.

If it is the last 4 years, he has failed. They have had 4 years of Super Bowl talent. I’m not naive enough to think that means 4 championships. At the same time, 1 conference title appearance is a failure.

If it is ONLY the last 4 seasons (I should have read more carefully) it has to be falls short. Only the Covid year could you argue that they made it as far as they could’ve/should’ve.

I could talk myself into it (depending on who is available).

I don’t think that I can. It would have to be some freakish situation where someone absolutely plummets (like Carter 😂😂). If this situation gets a whole lot worse, maybe I could make that work but he’s going to go in the top 5. I’m in the camp of Bijan or TE > defense. WR and OL are my wishes but I’m not sure that a WR, of value, will make it to 27. He OL will have some guys there maybe but possibly not great fits. This class gives me anxiety.

My opinion is that he is a great program builder. If your organization is a mess he can stabilize. That was what he originally came here to do and did it well. I worry that there is a ceiling with him. He isn’t a great game coach and for the last 3 or 4 years he had a team that was good enough to win a Super Bowl. He has been to 1 conference championship game. He may not be the guy to get to the promised land. I voted “met expectations” because he made the Bills matter. He hasn’t elevated them beyond their talent level.

I plan to do both. The Bills are the reason that I’ll book my trip. I’ll experience a lot of other stuff while there. It’s the same thing that I do for every Bills road game that I attend. That game is the reason that I visit somewhere but I indulge in whatever that city has to offer.

I’ve never used them but they host EVERY road game. I’ve attended some of the events. My friends have used them. I can attest to their legitimacy but not to the quality of the trip.

Maybe, just about every mock that I’ve seen or done (and it’s sadly in the 100’s) has him in like the mid 2nd. It wouldn’t be a stretch to think that he gets to 59. I think that if a pass catcher goes in round 1 to the Bills, an OL goes round 2.

This is exactly why I haven’t said “absolutely not” to Bijan at 27. He is a top 5 player in this draft and would give the Bills one of the best backfields in football. I still prefer WR or OL but I won’t complain about Bijan.

At 5’11 and 173 lbs, that’s just an okay time.

If I were to tell you that 5 guys in this draft eventually became all-pros, who would you guess?

I don’t disagree, at all. That’s the only reason that JSN is even a possibility at 27. If he built off of the end of 2021 he was a top 10 lock. It’ll be interesting to see how this year plays out for Marvin Harrison JR. (who is a better prospect than any of them IMO).

Ohio State is a notoriously fast track. His obligation is to post as low of a time as possible. He’s doing what’s best for his status. No one will blame him for that