BillsFan130

Honest question though. Can the bills defence be any worse in their last 3 playoff losses? What is the point In paying him 18 mil a year so our defence is better in the regular season?

Edmunds isn’t a flashy player. So how would they know if he’s good or not unless they watched every bills game? I think the media portrays Edmunds as a “good” player and he’s a relatively “big name”. Us bills fans have watched him for 5 years and we still can’t come to a consensus whether he’s good or not haha

I am sure you understand, as it all comes down to revunue generated. There is a reason why lacrosse players make 20k a year compared to NFL and NBA guys who make tens of millions. Football is a business which attracts a lot of money, and the players get a certain percentage of that revenue.

Good. Spend the money on the offence.

I don’t either. 15 touchdown passes for 40 mil a year… Blows my mind

Yep thank you. Basically every D coordinator in the playoffs knew how to play the bengals except Frazier. Ravens, chiefs the week after. Only Frazier would go into the game with a soft zone plan in wet and slippery surfaces.

They adjusted when it was what, 14-0? Look at the stats in the 1st half. Against zone burrow was like 16-19 for 2 TDs. And against man he was like 2 for 7. You can’t just spot a team 14 points in a bad weather game. When I said “adjustments “, I meant game plan going in

Bills players were awful that game and it’s not just on the defence, I will acknowledge that. But Frazier gave them no chance to win. When you sit in a soft zone essentially all game, it’s too easy for Mahomes and burrow. They are “taking what the defence” gives them, and Frazier gave them easy yards all game . If they challenged the bengals, played man to man/pressed their receivers and still got crushed, I would have 0 problem with frazier. It’s the fact that he literally didn’t even give them a chance. This passive game plan has now been exposed 3 years in a row by great QBs, and he failed to make any adjustments. Inexcusable

Ya the injuries are an excuse in my opinion. Our corners were fully healthy and we play everyone in a soft shell. (The most bizarre part is we trade up to get a man to man guy in Elam, then play him in that zone which he’s not good at) If your pass rush is struggling which is was, that is when you press/jam the receivers, so the pass rush has an extra half a second to get home. Frazier completely dropped the ball on the game plan. I think we could have had Lawrence Taylor and aaron Donald and still lost that game

I don’t think anyone expects the bills defence to be great against Great QBs. But just get SOME stops Cincis defence over the last two years in the playoffs is a prime example in my opinion

I wonder if this is just a polite way of “firing” him? As Much as I don’t like Frazier as a coordinator, he seems like a great guy, so maybe McDermott didn’t want to throw him under the bus publicly

My argument is the defence sucks with him in the playoffs while he always looks lost, so what difference does it make signing him? To have better regular season stats? I am not saying sign a big free agent. Sign a low cost guy/draft one in the mid rounds, and spend the money/assets on the offence

He’s the Leslie Frazier of players. Good in the regular season, then gets toyed with by the great QBs in the playoffs. IMO not worth retaining him because of that, but I definitely see your point

Yes but that’s only If they agree to a long term extension if I understand correctly. His contract is expired so if they tag him and can’t trade him, he’s either playing under the tag or they reach an extension while the tag is placed on him. (In which Edmunds would have the leverage as there is no way they can absorb a 22 mil cap hit this year)

People I also think forget that if the bills tag Edmunds, it’s like 22 mil…. That’s a pretty dangerous game to play if you can’t find a suitable trade partner, as Edmunds would literally have all the leverage in the world

Ya but the bigger question is what if he isn’t good at the position? As he’s never played it before. Then you got a major hole lol. I am not saying draft one. I am saying just bring in a low cost Vet for 2-3 mil to compete with him. (That’s nothing and it’s a bit of a security blanket)

I like the idea, just bring in a low cost vet to compete with him. It wouldn't be smart to go all in on a 6th round sophemore who hasn't played the position before.

Joe Marino is great. He is turning into a bit of a homer which I’m not a fan of lol, but he provides great insights and is very knowledgeable

These are really good points

7.5 cap Hit for those 3 combined Lets say on average 900k replacement. So close to 5 mil for just those 3 players alone. My original guesstimate was a bit off admittedly. But the fact remains if you can save close to 5 mil on a cap strapped team, I think you have to do it.

It was 6.2? I thought Matakavich was 3.5 and Neal was 3.3 alone. I Could be wrong Edit: I calculated about 7.5 mil cap for those 3 guys

Ya they won’t tag Edmunds. He’s a LB and “technically “ guys like TJ watt are LBS but they get paid as Elite pass rushers which jacks up the tag for LBs. I think the tag for Edmunds would be like 22 mil, no way the bills can do that.

Some of those guys have cap hits into the 2.5 3.5 mil range. Lets say you sub out 3-4 of those for guys on rookie deals/ veteran minimum vets You are probably looking at 6-10 mil in cap savings. I would say that’s a descent amount

How much worse can it really be in the playoffs though? (When it matters most)

Edmunds reminds me of Leslie. Good to very good against average/mediocre QBs, then just gets toyed with by the great QBs. Will be a hole to fill for sure- But They get carved by Mahomes and Burrow anyways, so what’s really the difference if we have him or not. To be better in the regular season? Spend the money on offence.