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Guys, my point is they don’t have skin in the game, have an objective formula to assess and they are incredibly detailed looking at a lot of parameters. A lot of opinions are armchair QB’s who didn’t take the time to put them on a chalk board vs, 31 other teams. I’ve already detailed a bunch of the stats they use. Listen to the shows for all 8 divisions and then comment. Im listening right now on RBs for Memorial Day and they rated our RBs even with Cook as a little over avg., to just avg. 15 out of 20. That’s not even close to the top 10. These guys aren’t doing the Bills hype tour like some analysts as we have a fantastic team on paper. Then again McD was right, games aren’t won on paper. Some here are just not looking at the line objectively. Listen to all 8 shows and then make you’re own opinion. With rewind, you can skip to each team only download so you don’t have to listen to the calls.

These guys aren’t even on the average scale compared to the rest of the AFC. Wilson, Herbert, Mahomes, Lamar, Burrow, Watson, Allen, and even Tannehill are better. Even Carr is better. Don’t forget in the NFC Brady and Rodgers are still killing it. Then there is Dak.

Tua will grow into JA17. That’s comical. He won’t even be Ryan Tannehill or Kirk Cousins. He’s about as good as Coach Weiss is on NFLR. Tahmy, Tahmy, Tahmy.

Knox isn’t going anywhere. I’ll agree Howard is better than people are giving him credit as I live in Tampa and we get Alabama games every week. I’ve seen every game for him for a long time. So we can agree on Howard and we’ll respectfully disagree on Knox. He’ll be the priority over Edmunds and even Poyer. I wouldn’t be surprised if Poyer signs an extension of two years in training camp. It’s just off season fodder.

All good discussion, but I think it’s very fair Diggs ended up in the 4th spot. I think he’ll end up higher after this year as he may share some receptions increased with the TE’s, but then he’ll also increase due to losing Beasely.

Well the good news is they are on most of the year 10-12pm, but we have the extra point. The sad thing is Bob Papa is one of the best on NFLR after the MTC guys. When it was him with Ross Tucker, that opening drive was a great show. Tuck is a good dude. I occasionally listen to his podcasts, but not the same as he doesn’t take calls. That was a real loss for NFLR. For anyone, I hate doing things halfway and for some reason they didn’t re air the NFCS so I don’t know their rankings. If anyone listened to that show on Thursday, send me a PM or just post the four. I’ll edit the original post.

No disagreement Noggin. My point is many student athletes have been focused on nutrition and an intense training program throughout college and just had a lot of natural testosterone in their bodies as they matured in HS. Once you’ve peaked in terms hitting what you’re body should do, then I stand by my comments. As a aside I competed at a high level in wrestling in HS, then converted from lifting hard to competitive powerlifting in college until I was 32. I was in the US championships the last five years, etc. Not that you need my resume as I’m a middle aged guy trying to be healthy these days, but I’ve always been around people who train at a very high level.

You're probably referring to his short stint on NFLR one morning a week. I thought his candid opinions were refreshing, but not sure what to make of his take on the Coach. Shady was washed up by the time he made it to Chiefs. Bienemy could’ve been riding him as he wasn’t putting in the effort, or could be a jerk. Its a bad call to air dirty laundry in the media. Reid and Bienemy won’t reply at all so you get a guy about to be forcibly retired by the NFL to trash him. I don’t have an opinion as there is. I way to know.

RP, correction it’s Tahmy. What a tool.

ok Forget how funny that is, but the worst form I've ever seen. Bb will tell you he’s lucky he didn’t kill himself. There are so many flaws it’s not even worth discussing. BTW- clean with no illlegal drugs at all you’re fortunate to gain about 10 lbs. of muscle a year if you’ve peaked. You can gain more of you never spent time in the gym. Once you hit you're peak its thay hard to grow. Maybe 15 lbs on you’re bench, 20 on you’re dead and squat and that’s if you are completely focused. Some of these stories are just so silly and defies what a natural body, no drugs can do. It’s also what guys on drugs blow out rotator cuffs and other small muscles as they can’t keep up with steroid included large muscle groups.

Thanks for you’re neverending fun quotes. Tre will be fine. An ACL is not the same as the repairs are light years ahead of even 5 years ago and even better from 10 years ago. AP came back in 6 months and had banner years. He played until late 30’s. Besides not every ACL is the same. He’s on pace per McD and that guy will 10 years from now be a HOF coach. Not now as too short, but he’ll hook his wagon for at least the 12-15 years to Allen. You have a great GM, and a great QB, and you become a winner. McBeane will be a winning tandem for a decade. These guys will be the next Tomlinson and company crew. I’ve always respected the Steelers culture, and believe the Pegulas know how to stay out of the way and even though politicians hate it, (NYC Democrats) have secured our franchise here for the next 30 years. What more can you ask for in a team. Let’s not forget this team has the state of the art training facility and staff as they value health and why we don’t have a lot of soft tissue injuries like many teams. We are so very fortunate. Lastly, Tre has been here per Sal and Vic almost all off season with the staff as he knows his best rehab is with our guys. He’ll be fine. He may have an adjustment in September, but by October he’ll be back to form. He injured last November. By October, that will be 11 months. Guys stop with the overthinking and over worrying. Stop looking for everything that will go wrong to be right and have faith. Wrex and Maroone are not our coaches. Neither is Skeletor, or Kay Stephenson.

Beast, the Bills have beaten the Phish by an avg. of 18 pts per game for the last four years. Do I hear five? Yes, the Pfish improved so we’ll have To settle with a 13 pt win per game this year! McD is the best coach we’ve had since Levy. You’re only critical as you’re not a Bills fan. He’s third all time as until we win the SB he has to be behind Saban as he won us two AFL championships. He also came back and improved the team agin briefly in the 70’s. Now that’s before my time, but I listen to guys like Chandler and Old Time Fan. They are a wealth of info on the 60’s teams. Knox would be 4th and Phillips 5th. We’ll sweep the East again unless there is another 50 mile an hour wind game. Doubtful in OP in January. The Jets have improved, but they most likely will be 0-6 as they have a tough beginning to their schedule unless Watson is suspended and maybe have a chance as they won’t keep Mayfield. The cheats will die a miserable death for the next three years and cement the fact that Brady made the Cheats, not the other way around. Sal was awesome manually counting up wins and losses without Brady. 71-79 including the Browns. One of the Browns years he did finish I believe 11-5.

You’re delusional. You seem to always look for a flaw in the Bills. Con Miller is going to sack Tua three times on the first matchup. I guess maybe we’re confident (you know the real Bills fans) because we are 8-0 against the Fish and jests since JA17 Superalleb started and 4-1 in the last two years with the Cheats. They needed 50 mile an hour winds to beat us. We destroyed them twice afterwards. We are also ranked #1 to win the SB by every professional analyst on the planet. Even the Boston media is concerned we are going to kill them and they are much better coaches than the Fish. For us 50 and older have never forgotten how the Fish beat us 20 times in the 70’s and anyone of that age remembers the win by Coach Knox in 1980.

I know. Tahmy. Makes me sick to my stomach. Thank god we have the extra point show now so we don’t need to listen to that tool.

Weiss is the worst. It’s not even close. Arrogant, not funny, and just an overall prick. Especially to callers.

I started this dialogue for discussion. I think if you have Sirius and listen you’ll enjoy some of the topic. I’ll add as the NFC posts. I don’t disagree after listening to all four shows of the AFC once they explained their findings.

Gugs, it is the first thing Indo when I fly up to Buffalo. Usually my cousin IR one if my sisters pick me up from the airport, and there is a four pack of beef and cheese burritos hot of course from Mighty. Then before I even make it home I’ve already called in from the airport (I stay along with the kids at my dad’s place in a Hamburg right by Immaculata). Blasdell pizza subs. Lots of sauce and well done. Their pepperoni is out if this world. Gugs is we ever sync up for a September game, the pizza is on me after. You get the OV. Add and L and an E, and that’s love, love OV. Do you remember that jingle from the 80’s. I’ve had many a foggy night at Mulligans Brick Bar with those OV cases laced with ice in the box for the splits. Now that’s a fond memory, although blurry from college.

Good Questions and philosophically I agree with you 100%. I played and coached football for my sons. First at flag which was a blast as we were in a highly competitive league, and then at youth tackle ball. Good blocking WR’s are a must when you run the ball. My comments were just regarding the analysis show. I do always appreciate you’re POV.

Bart IDK why I remember as it was a high school and early college job before I worked at the BN was Blasdell Pizze used to fry the jumbo wings for 11-12 minutes depending on how well done the customer wanted. I don’t remember the temperature. They were good even though I always preferred their pizza over the wings. Delivering pizza as a kid was a fun job.

Ethan, I respect you’re opinion, but although each 11 man unit works together, the only way for them to evaluate is to. Break it down by position group. You’ll hear the NFC this week and then the next unit etc. Typically they wrap up by group as each unit has different criteria, and then start with defense up front, and moving back. I highly encourage everyone who has Sirius to listen when time or just get the app and skill segments until they break down each team. They really do use the same statistical analysis for every player and team so it is far more educated and we’ll thought out than the stupid hot takes on ESPN. It’s the reason I listen to them as they provide value, not off the cuff opinions. As I said in the original post, many of you just for getting a newer car end up with a trial of Sirius. This is the one show that is a must listen, in addition to Polish does a Wednesday night Late Hits show from 7-10 EST. No, I don’t work for Sirius, I just find some of their shows are far more educated and fair balanced than many on TV.

Hey thanks Paul. I’ll take you’re word for it if you can remember the other ratings as I’m going to add to my original post. I knew they would rate the Chiefs higher than us.

Baltimore has a lot of people coming back off injuries and even with the injuries they were still in the race until Lamar was injured. I’d also add KC even without Hill, and Cincy we’ll see if there a flash in the pan or for real. They upgraded their O line. Im not concerned with anyone in the AFCE. It’s too early to tell with Denver, but they had a defense and with Wilson it wouldn’t surprise me. I do think the West is going to beat each other up. As much as I like and respect Herbert, they never seem to go anywhere.

78 so far out of 3 of the & divisions, we are in the leader board. I couldn’t agree more. It gets you by these analyses shows during the boring season. My guess is we end up 4th or something in that neighborhood.

Hey Guys: I found this topic interesting. The Movin the Chains guys are taking a division a day and rating the offensive lines across the league. Now they put in so much analysis on additions, substitutions, losses, number of snaps, sacks all allowed, penalties, continuity, and depth (they had so many categories I may have missed some so for the guys who listen to this show live or on demand, feel free to add any categories Mills and Pat chose). This is not my list, nor am I asking you you’re personal choices to add, but feel free to chine in however you like. They do this 20 pt. analysis and assign a rating based on the data above. I find it interesting, and once they get done with the line, they move onto every other position group. In previous years, our line was 10th, DB’s 2nd, QB’s 2nd, etc. Ok, I’ll put down what I wrote, but I didn’t have the opportunity to listen Friday as that was the AFCW, so I only have the first three so far. They haven’t touched the NFC yet, so that should be this week. (out of a perfect score of 20) AFCE - Monday Bills 17 - note they included data from Saffold and others coming from another team. Pats 11 Jets 11 Phins 10 AFCN - Tuesday Ravens 14, but if injuries improve could move up to 16-17 Bengals 13 due to their additions and deletions. Please not they evaluate a players last year data even if on another team. Steelers 13 Browns 16 AFCS - Thursday Texans 15 Indy 16 Jax 14 TN 13 AFCW Chiefs 19 - tops in the AFC. Chargers 14 Broncos 16 Raiders 15 NFCE Cowboys 16 Giants 14 Eagles 18 Commanders 16 NFCN Bears 10 Lions 17 Packers 14 Vikings 16 NFCS ATL CAR New Orleans Tampa NFCW AZ 14 Rams 13 49ers 14, but 16 if Mac doesn’t retire Seattle 13 So the Bills are now tied for 3rd in the rankings with only two divisions left. On deck today and tomorrow is the NFCS and NFCW. We should be a top 5 O Line. So for everyone who nonstop trashes our O Line, statistically with more data I can ever look up is a very good rating. AFCW was Friday, but the on demand is not loaded into the App yet. I will add to this list as they are done each day. If they are the same in order from last year, they move onto QB’s next historically, then WR’s TE’s and RB’s. They they start on the defense. Each group is evaluated based on their jobs so they define each category and analysis each day so people can follow along. All of these shows are maintained on on demand section on app for a few days so I think they’ve kept all of them since Monday. Note, Wed. Mills was off so they don’t do a rating day when both Mills and Pat aren’t there. Enjoy listening to them directly, and don’t take my word for it. I hope you like the topic. They know the Bills will be a top 10 Line, but they force ranks 1-5 and we won’t know until they get through the whole league whether they consider us a top 5 line. They were very complimentary of the continuity of Buffalo. They also state who the coaches are meaning our line coach and asst line coach. Enjoy and welcome feedback. If you have Sirius, you’d enjoy this more if you listened to the shows. You’ll miss out on the AFCE probably after today, and they have titles for each segment so you can skip the calls and athlete interviews. Ok the AFCW show just dropped on Sirius rewind so now you have the whole list. We are 2nd for the AFC. They start the NFC today. I’ll add as they go a,Ong if you guys like it. If I hear from you guys you like this stuff, I’ll keep track of the other position groups for those that don’t have Sirius. I keep Sirius only for the NFLR and specifically this show. Between the positional group rankings, they are going to start the interpretation of plays and strategies where they help educate fans on jerk routes, rub plays, and so on. They just discussed in detail the other day why Peyton Manning rarely was sacked as a player.

And a lot of women cheat on their husbands. They are all scum. I had, had a friend who thought it was hit to cheat with married men. The whole taboo crap. She’s single. I was sick of hearing it asked her how she could do that knowing she’s complicit in ruining another woman’s life. We distanced as I told her this part of her is so incredibly vain and self absorbed. Needless to say we don’t go out for sushi or movies anymore. She was a platonic friend only. I just have no respect for men or women who sleep with married people especially a friends wife! That’s disgusting. I was married for 21 years and never once considered cheating on my ex. Sure it’s a nice compliment when another woman flirts with you, but I at least keep a distance once that happens. Happily married people don’t give off a cheat flirt vibe.