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I’d be shocked if we paid him. Easy answer for me.

Partly thanks to our elite star WR1 failing to do what he was paid 22M to do. Catch the dam ball. Partly due to not being able to stop KCs offense with a depleted defense. If we added a legit WR1 and he were injured and didn’t play in the playoffs would it still be Beanes fault for not adding more WRs?

Those are similar numbers to Kelce last season….where he was your WR1 and you won a Super Bowl. Those first 2 guys would be mortgaging our future in a big way. If you don’t see that, I can’t help you. the other guys I would’ve been ok with…..but you’re acting like they were available. Rumors are rumors. None of them switched teams. They are all where they started the offseason

Yeah, I agree. I’m one of them. I like our O and I’ve criticized the WR room, it’s just that I realize that the options to seriously upgrade our WR unit after the Diggs trade were far a few in between. Either give up massive draft loads to move up for a top 10 guy or pay massive money + draft picks to land a vet. Both require going close to all in which would’ve had negative implications at multiple positions. We weren’t going all in. Options were limited. I think we’re much better equipped for building a long term powerhouse at the price of our 2024 WR room. Sometimes GM have to make those decisions. Recent history shows it’s a viable strategy KC fans were saying the same thing about Veach when they traded Hill. which top tier WR would you have added that wouldn’t have radically changed our cap/draft picks? If Brian Thomas Jr is the answer, I get it. He’s the only guy that slid to a spot where we wouldn’t have had to give up the farm…. But I’m not so sure he’s a WR1 either. Sure he gives us a better deep threat, but I don’t think he’s that type of difference maker for 2024. who else could we have gotten that would’ve moved that needle?

And adding a star WR (at the expense of other positions) makes it that much more likely? Seems to me like the uproar began when we didn’t draft a WR in rd 2,3, or 4. I was hoping for one too….but I don’t think drafting a WR in any of those rounds would’ve moved the “likely to win a Super Bowl” meter very much. Trading for Aiyuk or another big money WR would equate to going all in. That’s not going to happen. Salary cap squashed those hopes imo. Imo, this is a debate is more about Beanes preference to keep the cap in a manageable position as opposed to going all in. I don’t think this season, considering our current pass rush, would’ve been the right time for that. If von miller comes out of the gate firing, I could see Beane making a move mid season if one is available Funny that a KC fan would bring up kincaids age considering Kelces resume prior to turning 25

We can win a Super Bowl without a great WR unit. That’s all that really matters. If we had poor WRs and a mix of sub par to average TE, RB and OL units, I would think we’d have a discussion for doing things wrong. Instead, we have above average to good, maybe very good units along with an elite QB. So many saying that we’re not helping 17 by not investing more into WR. I agree that I’d have liked to invest more in WR, but I don’t agree that we aren’t helping him. I think our run game will be improved and that will open up play action and Josh’s ability to move around and create time out of the pocket. I think Josh has the ability to transform Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid, knox, Cook, Hollins and MVS from unproven unit to a quality unit. Kincaid, Coleman and Samuel are top 40 picks. They’re talented- Coleman and Samuel haven’t had the benefit of playing with 17 yet. 17 can help level them up as he will continue to do with Shakir. Hollins has never played with a good QB. MVS has won back to back being WR3-4. I get it. You guys want better WRs. So do I. Let’s just not act like we’re ruining 17’s career by not having an elite WR. We had one and he was a no show more often than not on the biggest stage

5 out of the last 7 Super Bowl champions didn’t have a 1000 yard WR. Also 9 out of the last 16. Get yourself a stud TE to pair with your elite QB and everything gets easier. I think we have ourselves a stud TE. Things are going to get easier.

Sorry- didn’t know we were talking about TE’s. TE’s don’t seem to carry much weight around here when it comes to these conversations- considering that we have two very good TEs…..yet WR is the only thing we hear about from the whiners. How about those KC whiners last year? They were fighting the same fight. They had zero proven WRs- which is the fight ya’ll are fighting as if it’s the gospel

And it doesn’t even matter. This is all nonsense. One person picks a random stat and now all of his followers act as if this means anything. Answer me this: this time last offseason, say chiefs fans are discussing the same exact thing- many WRs on KCs roster had finished top 32? DOOOOOOOM!! As we watched Josh make 2 bone headed plays to end our season. As we watched our “elite” WR that everyone now clamors for, no show for 4 straight years in season ending losses. As we watched the chiefs win back to back super bowls with WR2/3’s masquerading as WR1’s

Yes we do. So what does that mean exactly? Nothing. Just like it would’ve meant nothing if we didn’t

Grandparents lived a couple blocks from Fredonia training camp. Went to practice just about everyday in the 80’s. It was there that the Bills became part of me

Legendary type stuff Not sure why anyone would frown on this move. If he sucks, he’ll be cut. If he shows promise, he might make the ps. Kicking the tires on elite athletes makes a lot of sense.

My take is that the offensive roster was about a push from 20 to 23. Beasley and Diggs were all pro in 20. Brown was a better x than Gabe (minus blocking). TEs and RBs goes to 23 while I think the OL was a push. I thought the 2020 line was better the majority of the season but they were poor vs KC. Close call. Defensively, the 2023 roster was better 💯 until injury evened things out. Poyer and Hyde both notably worse in 23 but the DL was much better. CB also better in 23. Talent wise, last year was our best team imo. Too bad they didn’t pull the trigger on Dorsey after his rookie season didn’t show much promise (to me anyway). Not sold on Brady yet, but I think he could get the job done.

And terrible offensive line play. The OL played very well the majority of the season, but they got whipped in the AFCCG.

🤣 this is amazing

HE’S BAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!

Like John Ross? Phillip Dorsett? Roscoe Parrish? Will fuller? Andy isabella? Mecole hardman? Tavon austin? Sinorice Moss? there a more WAY more skinny’s that weren’t able to excel than were able to. No, I wouldn’t pass on Jackson, but I’d pass on most others.

I think he can be a key player for us when either Benford or Douglas inevitably gets hurt. I wasn’t a fan of his interview today though.

No. It’s people being logical and acknowledging that there’s this thing called a salary cap. It’s the basis of roster building and teams sometimes take a dip at certain positions. Like back to back champion chiefs did after trading all world Tyreek Hill. Their WR unit got worse 2 years in a row. And they won titles both seasons. Super talented teams sometimes get worse talent wise. That’s just reality of the salary cap nfl. Beane just said it in the athletic interview. As a GM, you don’t want to max your credit card. He doesn’t want to take his medicine 2 years in a row. He wants to build a team that can compete for super bowls over time.

Only have time for some quick drive byes this morning

It can’t be that easy for you. You’re obviously lying. You couldn’t have been that bothered by him, it was only 4 games. I read that right here in this thread. Be better.

But it’s only 6 games….he couldn’t have bothered him that much….

or maybe Peterman did bother him too much as he took the time to single him out as the guy that frustrated him the most. Percy Harvin had 6 starts. Couldn’t have bothered @GunnerBilltoo much, no? Or maybe he actually did and you’re just a troll here for one reason.

Sweet. Still doesn’t make last years wrs deeper than this years. Not sure what the debate is here. I never said this years WRs are better than last years. I said they were deeper. Last year was their last run with the boys that transformed the franchise from lovable losers to SB contenders. They sacrificed some cap in order to give themselves another shot with them. It was time to move on from Diggs and there weren’t many moves they could’ve made (for a legit WR1) that wouldn’t have sacrificed long term sustainability in order to have a better WR corps in 24. The moves they made were to give them a better chance to win with Josh over the next 5-6 years rather than in 24-25 while possibly sacrificing opportunities after that. As fans, we should realize that this sort of thing is inevitable. You pay your QB 50M, s*** flows downstream and difficult decisions have to be made. Sacrifices will have to be made. That’s life in the salary cap NfL