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It’s very, very difficult to determine whether apologies like Fromm’s and Brees’ are sincere. I tend to put merit in the notion that most apologies come because the offender was “caught” and not because they truly recognize their error. Brees is going to be given the benefit of the doubt because of who he is, as well as his record of service in the community. I don’t know how Fromm “proves” his sincerity; he certainly has an uphill climb. Does cutting him solve anything though? I’m not talking about the Buffalo Bills football team here, because Fromm wasn’t going to play a significant role for any foreseeable future (and might not even make the team). I’m talking about the notion that we give people an opportunity to redeem themselves and learn from mistakes. As Leslie Frazier said, the locker room will be able to sift what’s real from what’s not. If the Bills cut him, so be it, but I generally believe that knee-jerk reactions are not the way to go.

When issues like this are being discussed, a lot of people should really remember the adage that it is better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

The fact that anyone still believes the silent NFL player protests during the anthem were about the flag or the military just saddens me.

Sorry Bill, you've missed the point. If you want to keep dwelling in the past and fearing the future, be my guest.

not keeping Knox was one of his biggest “save money” blunders of all time

Yeah, the “company line” has always been to say how much they enjoy the environment, and I think McD certainly tries to get the best out of it, but now that they’ve built the culture, the team is experiencing success, and they have those awesome facilities in OP, the original reasons for going to Rochester (facilities, expand fan base) aren’t really an issue and staying in OP will save the team $$$.

That’s a pretty good list, although I don’t think they will be able to unload Hauschka’s salary and if he loses out to the rookie they’ll simply release him.

When I was a kid and first experienced Bills football my favorite three players were OJ, Fergie, and Chandler. Fun read; thanks for sharing that.

Small price to pay for the chance of having football this fall.

Me saying he is top half entering this season is not a purely numbers-based projection; it is wide-ranging and encompasses his anticipated growth as well as the coaching and talent around him.

I disagree. Looking at what Josh has done and what he had to work with, combined with how raw he was coming into the NFL, he is arguably in the top half of NFL QBs entering the 2020 season. Yes, I'd trade him straight up for Russell Wilson today -- but I'd still hate to do it. Homer or not, I think Josh is going to go through the roof starting this year.

You probably understood my point but took it too literally. I think for anyone to claim to "know" what Josh's NFL career trajectory will look like at this point is pure folly. The guy has 27 starts and was as raw as cookie dough coming to the NFL. In a couple of years I believe people are going to look back at what they thought today and say, "wow."

What strikes me as odd is how many people think they "know" what Josh is and what he isn't. News flash: you don't.

Nothing against Dak, but no thank you. Josh is about to become a superstar in this league.

Not gonna have the patience to sit through this one...did he say Josh is inaccurate and can never be better?

Question for all of the knuckleheads in this thread: Is it better or worse for the Buffalo Bills offense that nearly every skill position player got together at the invitation of their starting QB to run what have been described as extremely structured, detailed drills in advance of training camp and the season?

I don’t think I’d say Barkley “has promise” but Webb and Fromm certainly do. The tough call for McD and Beane is because Barkley and Josh are clearly very good friends. It remains to be seen just what they value in the QB room the most but if Webb and Fromm are just as much “good guys” as Barkley we could see a change.

When I see “GreggTX” on a post I immediately keep scrolling. Some of the worst takes I’ve ever seen on this board.

Good points, @tumaro02 — and to clarify for others who may not know, Josh “organized” the workouts (I.e., invited everyone and got them all at the same hotel, etc.) but it is Webb who is “running” the practices. The quotes were about how disciplined things were being run, which is awesome. I also liked that they made sure every time Diggs was running a route Josh was the QB, even if it was not during his designated “turn” in the rotation.

Hey, I’m just showing up to poop in everyone’s cereal bowl and remind you this is a stupid video that means nothing about anything because shorts and no defense and Diggs is a cancer and Josh is inaccurate and why is Lee Smith there and lots of other reasons.

Read that interesting tidbit in an article on the front page this morning. Players talking about how detailed and knowledgeable Webb is in multiple offenses, and how he basically organized and ran the practices. We might have a dark horse candidate for backup QB who was already on the roster.

At all. Before the Bills went out and brought in who they did, and drafted AJ, you could have envisioned a scenario in which they signed Clowney...but not now.

Nobody from the McD era was going to make this list because they were only here for 30% of the decade. It’s a completely inane discussion to come up with an MVP for a lost decade.

Save your breath, Yolo. There is a contingent who, for some reason, look for the possible negative consequences of everything the Bills do, waiting to pounce. I don’t know how they enjoy being fans but to each his own.

Augie, I think we are well positioned. If Josh becomes the player I think he can be, the Bills will be in this conversation for the next decade.