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I wonder what it is really though. Is it fit? Is it being out of shape? Is it the knee? Is he struggling with terminology of play calls? Is he struggling with, coverage? He cer Seems like he might just be lazy, and they might be trying to get him to work harder and understand how important hard work is.

A higher cap hit, a penalty in 2018, and an extra 7th round pick.

I think it'd be short sighted to trade him when Hodges, brown, and Humber will all be ufas in a year. Pretty decent chance Lorax gets let go if there's a replacement plan. It also costs more to cut/trade him than to keep him. Between the knee, the new defense, and possibly coming to camp out of shape... he's a bundle of red flags and needs a lot of work. Why sell low? Is he going to be a stud? Probably not, but I dont think u make a trade this early. He's basically a struggling rookie.

Fair enough - then we take out the 10 point game... because Tyrod didn't play. Yeah - i have no idea how its calculated though so its hard to like.. value that statistic. What was our offense rated?

I already said that.. we go from 10th to 15th. But since the argument is about Tyrod, theoretically we take out the 10 point game that he wasn't allowed to play in. That would bump us from 10th to 8th at 25.9 points per game...

A lot of teams lose when you score a bunch of points on them... it just seems to happen to us too often for us to overcome with the current offense. This implies we need a better QB. It should ALSO be noted... that we need a better freakin defense!

They have the best PLAYER in the league at the most important position. But considering Denver, Seattle, Baltimore, even GB, Pittsburgh all had top defenses... that would have to be considered the trend. For a few years they weren't, but the past few they have been. Last year they were 8th in yards and 1st in points. The last time they weren't top 10 in turnover diff with Brady starting... was 2005.

We also had teams score 27 or more on us 8 times... we were 0-8 in those games, but why did it happen 8 times if our defense was any good? The teams that didn't (which really shows the cupcake schedule we had) Jax, LAR, zona (who had 5 turnovers), 49ers, ravens, browns, bengals, and patriots without a QB. Best QBs of the bunch are Palmer, Flacco, and Dalton. Others included Bortles, Keenum, Kaepernick, Whoever the browns started, and Jacoby Brisset.

With similar production from their offense - same coordinator, same low passing numbers, same high rushing numbers, low turnovers- the 49ers were perennially in the playoffs and almost won a super bowl. The difference is that the 49ers mediocre-good offense, was complemented by a top 5 defense. We didn't have anything resembling that.

I'm not arguing with you... a 45 point game against SF is probably about as much as an outlier shutout against a 3rd string QB with a broken thumb. Care to find a specific post I've made that defends the defensive performance from last year? Since i "keep trying to defend" them.

On the flip side - if you take out the highest scoring game on offense we go from 10th to 15th.

Stats that make the O look good - 3rd down % O: 13th in 3rd downs D: 19th in 3rd down defense. 1st downs O: 16th in 1st downs D: 24th in 1st downs allowed. Takeaway/giveaway O: 3rd in Giveaways D: 23rd in takeaways Stats that make them look not so good Sacks O: 4th in sacks allowed D: 8th in sacks Yards per game O: 16th D: 19th Can spin it any way you want if you just pick and choose 1 or the other. Looking at yards per play: 14th in yards per play on offense 20th in yards per play on defense 18th in plays per game on offense 17th in opponent plays per game

I like zone because i feel like you have 3 main options - late? make a tackle - on time? breakup or make a tackle - early? Breakup or INT. Man is tougher on the corners because you might be following them all over the field, they might be lining up in different spots etc. Teams are more and more just moving players around but ending them up in the same places. The checks and adjustments can be a bit more fluid in a zone I think, and you can disguise blitzes more effectively.

Kind of...? Atlanta and Oakland had worse scoring defenses and had way more takeaways. You take the ball away and you create additional opportunities for your offense. I don't think you can look at any one offensive or defensive number and say - that's the most important number. DVOA at least tries to take into account the opponent you're playing, and your comparison to the rest of the league.

29th against the run and only 4 games with more than 1 takeaway. We won 4 games when we had 1 or fewer takeaways... and they were against SF, CLE, NE (no brady), and JAX. 3 of the worst teams in the league, and a 3rd round rookie with a broken thumb. Gotta create turnovers on defense to be successful in the league. Teams also dont win a lot of games when they allow more than like 3 TDs or so. We didn't win any.

Gonna go with Humber. When we signed Hodges everyone assumed Humber was hitting the bench, much like signing lorax and him circumventing Manny lawson.

More. Maybe they should have run it on 3rd and 1. Or maybe at 2nd and 11 with 4 minutes and the clock running from the 23 yard line.. they should have done something a little more creative than a shotgun snap with an additional 3-5 step drop. Run clock there and you make the field goal... they need 11 in about 3 minutes. IDIOTS!

Yeah - we have no cap room need. And o-linemen get banged up all the time. Is he even injured? I hope he's on the active 45. Looks like they're preparing hodges in case he isn't.

The lions have the space so no worries there. The saints are a mess. If brees were to leave, i expect him to end up in pittsburgh or something. Build an NFL super team to try and beat brady We have to make the decision before we know who the new guy would be, free agency and the draft both occur after. Thats the tricky part.

I think there are a few available qb's who can function as that bridge beyond Tyrod should he not be the guy. Brees I believe is technically available. Same with Stafford. Cousins if you think he can be a franchise guy. Tannehill is likely cut. Bradford is available in that middle tier bridge. Alex Smith also has a nice potential out if they decide to roll with Mahomes. However, if any or all of them are available. Most of those teams are looking for new QBs, so the draft becomes harder to move in. Pittsburgh may be looking too if big ben retires.

What about the last game that Tyrod played? Played pretty well right? Maybe he can build off it. I don't claim to know or predict either way. But I'd love him to be good and ya know - help us win some games.

Wentz was a mechanical mess last year. If he improves that stuff he will be fine. He has tons of weapons now, and a bit more of a west coast offense to help him rack up stats. But a guy with a weird motion, who dropshis arm slot, throws off his back foot, and overthrows passes by 10-15 yards, will not be good in the NFL.

No - you just solely critique a player who gets the most criticism on this board. So... it's kind of played out. We've heard literally all of this before.

I think people have heard every argument about THIS player though.

I mean... he probably makes the 53 because of his draft position and it only being his 2nd year. At the same time - if he's not a gameday contributor it should be a bit of a red flag. Maybe once the bullets fly in the preseason he'll get back up to game speed?