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He did have some real nice tosses in his first three games to go along with the 5 feet behind his guy, can't connect on even a dump off type throws. Since his TD pass to Hogan against KC its been pretty miserable. Hes been just as wild but without any of the upside.

They definitely looked at the old notes. However, every DC would be left guessing to certain extent without having seen Orton operate in this offense. Now with a few weeks of tape on how Orton operates in this offense, its been tougher sledding.

Why?

If the all blue unis impact the officiating and we beat the Packers does that mean we've already beaten the Pats?

Rename thread to "Are you a heterosexual male?"

I'm not crazy about Panera either for that reason, but I don't think most people know or care how the sausage gets made. At any rate, McD's stuff is assembled and Panera is a little less offensive. Chipotle actually cooks food and on the premises. What a revelation.

That would be the philosophical argument I alluded to. Thats a valid argument, in my opinion, that trading future first round picks for one first rounder now is never a good idea. Given the history of such trades and the relative hit rate of supposed once in a generation type players, how much should a GM trust their board? But thats a topic for another thread.

A GM who really wants out but is too afraid to quit.

Perhaps for some. I've got 11 pages of evidence to the contrary though.

The fact that you offered an analogy about buying a house and then followed up with over payment screams to me that you do not understand the draft, value and price. Until you understand value vs. price and how those two ideas relate to the draft then you will not be able to assess the decision. First, hindsight arguments are as lazy as it gets and as foolish as they come after 12 games. Especially so when they include players that "I would've taken instead" since you have no guarantee that people's champ ODB was still going to be on board in this fantasy scenario. Decisions are made based on what is known at the time and they must judged by what is known or knowable at the time they're made. I don't remember anyone talking about Odell Beckham or Zach Martin as once in a generation type talents. Moving on, what it is the value of any draft pick? For that matter, what is the price? The draft isn't a liquid market like the housing market where you have easily observable and accessible metrics like $ per square foot. You don't have a rich transactional history to draw from in the draft like you do in the housing market. And even if you did, comparing players is far more subjective than comparing houses or even comparing stocks. Thats why even the best scouts still miss quite a bit. The value of any one draft pick is a function of the player available at that pick as determined individually by each of the 32 teams and varies widely based on the subjective nature of scouting and synergistic qualities based on team's schemes and their players. Next year's first overall isn't necessarily as valuable as this year's first overall. No one was willing to sell the farm RG3 style for this year's 2nd overall because the right to select Greg Robinson wasn't nearly as valuable to teams as the right to select RG3. The price of a draft pick is what a team is willing to pay. What a team is willing to pay is based largely on the value they place on the player they're trading for. Just like the stock market, there is no such thing as a price which is simply too high. A stock selling for $500 a share is pretty expensive. But if you believe its worth $1,000 a share, then $500 is a bargain compared to a $5 stock which you believe is only worth $3. If your draft board identifies one generational talent in a pool of scrubs, then who gives a **** about giving up your 6 other picks in that same draft? If you trust your assessment and only see one player available in the draft that can help your team whats the value in passing up on that player in favor of 7 guys that you don't expect to dress on Sundays? You can't save your picks for future talent like you can wait on a stock or a house for a more favorable market cycle. They have to be used that day to take players or to trade for future consideration. If you want to tell me that the Bills over paid, then tell me what value you've placed on Sammy, a little background on how you arrived at that conclusion, and then define the price (i.e.,who is available in next year's draft, what is their value, or what is the implicit cost of trading away the right to select an unknown individual in 2015?) using only information available as of April 2014. If you can't do that, then don't tell me how its "obvious" that they over paid. You can disagree with the trading future first round picks to move up in the draft from a philosophical standpoint. As I've laid out above, theres a lot of moving pieces and significant unknown costs in trading away future picks. There's also some history of such transactions which we can view in hindsight and assess how often they work out. In a few years we can all say whether the decision to trade up for Sammy has worked out or not. However, any argument offered which declares that the decision to trade up for Sammy was bad at the time and egregiously, obviously bad at that, which fails to touch on any of the points I've raised is just absurd.

Proof that you have no business using that word. A player with so so heart and effort doesn't play with broken ribs and doesn't keep going over the middle, taking more hits.

More of a reach than we would've taken Odell Beckham and kept next years 1st as was posed previously?

Gotta love how the anti-trade up crusaders continue to have a stick up their ass about the Ebron rumors while still not seeing the complete and utter folly of their hindsight argument.

My point is that basing arguments on hindsight after watching Beckham Jr. play 12 games is dishonest and ignores everything we know about the Bills draft board.

That analogy is comically bad.

How about Ebron and next years #1? Or Gilbert and next years #1? Maybe Barr and next years #1? How about that?

Thats birdog in a nutshell. Lots of preconceptions which are reflective of no particular set of facts or reality. This is how it starts. Upon even the most superficial examination, those things which he describes as "likely" unravel into plausible, which further erode into ostensibly plausible, which then get exposed as pulled out of thin air. Even then he will not waver.

Upset about the lack of roles for people of Arab or African descent in Gods and Kings, but then they get upset about the casting in Black Hawk Down, The Siege and Raiders of the Lost Ark which offered lots of roles for Arabs and North Africans. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Right?

I call this look the perfesser.

Maybe he does have the mental strength to succeed. Good for him.

OG is the human equivalent of an industrial feed lot. They serve over the top fatty, greasy, food byproduct in obscene quantities. The f@#$ing chairs have wheels because they know their clientele so well. I know after a nice dinner out at OG I've got about 2 or 3 hours to make it back to my home base before never ending breadsticks absolutely eviscerate my digestive system. A 30 day juice cleanse has nothing on the emptiness you feel after a tour of italia. To be clear, I'm not above eating anywhere. I get my occasional McD's or Whopper cravings. On a long car ride I look forward to pulling over for fast food or to pop into a chain. If my friends or family want to go to Cheesecake Factory or Macaroni Grill I will not protest or complain about my meal. If I'm choosing the place though, I generally prefer not to give chains my money.

I have no issue with their system, but I'm a regular. The uninitiated struggle. Any of our LA friends who've been to Bay Cities would say DiBellas is a walk in the park

The subway closest to where I work is next door to DiBellas and its packed. The wait is the same. Maybe its the cost savings of a $5 footlong or their daily special which attracts the price conscious consumer. There is no convenience factor in the Henrietta area choosing Subway over DiBellas.

AppleBee's, Chili's, Olive Garden and the like do not make food. They assemble food. I've heard Cheesecake Factory actually engages in activity similar to cooking but they're still loathsome (f!@#ing 2 hour wait for a chain restaurant, 30 page menu half of which is god damned ads). Why people pay those prices when you can have actual food prepared at any mom and pop joint is a mystery to me.