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I agree with this. I am generally a Whaley supporter about most of his moves. Whaley’s biggest down fall was NEVER being able to hire his own HC to run the pieces he put together. but... Part of his job is to generate trust and buy from the people above him to make those moves. In that regard Beane is far out performing him. Whether Beane is successful in personnel moves remains to be seen. Right now he is losing to Whaley in that regard.

Are you telling me FA signings like Starr, Tolbert, Bodine, Newhouse, Kerley, and Davis aren’t inspiring a whole lot of confidence in the FO?

Fully agreed. This isn’t the 90’s anymore. Teams don’t take that long to turn around these days. If you aren’t difinitevly better after 3 years, you’ve failed IMO. That’s just the NFL in 2018.

Gotta read the thread man. Safety: Whaley QB: Maybe- I was fine with the TT trade. But Allen needs to pan out. LB: Maybe- Edmunds needs to pan out CB: Whaley drafted White, Beane traded Darby. We could have both. But instead have White and Davis. Cap: this is fair, but not until next year.

I would disagree with that, totally. Obviously there is some nuance and explanation to a lot of the moves, but it is not asking too much of your GM, after 15 months, to make a single position or positional group better than what they inherited. Right now we are hoping that the future is better for us with Edmunds and Allen, but those are still question marks. Maybe DE is better with Trent Murphy over Shaq?

sarcasm dude.

Huh...did you follow the thread/quote at all. I was commenting on a guy that said Beane upgraded the secondary. He didn't, at all. That isn't really up for debate, because, well, it is definitely worse. The thread is about what position(s) did Beane upgrade. There may be reasons, like draft capital, and clearing cap space as to why some are not upgraded. What positions do you think are upgraded on the current 2018 roster from the 2016 or 2017 roster?

I thought Milano had a nice game for us yesterday. If there is any bright spots on the defensive side of the ball, I thought he was it.

I read a stat a few months ago (trying to find to confirm), that in the years Whaley was named GM (13-17) he has more starters in the NFL than any GM in the league.

Not to pile on, but White was also not a Beane draft pick. Haha. Too bad EJ Gaines couldn’t stay healthy for us, and we didn’t offer him an extension. I was fine with the Watkins trade for him since we were never going to pay him. A healthy and re-signed Gaines would have been a great Beane move. but I guess that’s too many what if’s...

Beane didn’t bring in Hyde or Poyer, Whaley did. I don’t know why people keep using them as an example, it’s a bad one because the credit goes to the prior regime.

I totally agree with you, my post was totally sarcastic.

The more I spend time with it, the more I agree, CB 2 should be 5 on the list. Maybe higher, and swap with one of the interior OL positions. This isn’t to bash Allen, but that first throw to Clay that bounced off his hands, Clay has to catch that for sure. But as much as Allen’s velocity allows him to squeeze throws into windows, making it hard for DB’s, those types of fastballs are tough for receivers to catch. He’s gotta learn to take a little off some of those throws.

Haven't followed any of the Jags offseason/preseason. I will keep an eye out when the season starts. Just going off of 2017.

I don't totally buy that. Dareus left, we got worse, Jacksonville got better. To me that flat out lazy players generally don't generally create that sort of swing when leaving. I don't see him as a Haynesworth type of guy. Part of your job description as a HC is getting your top athletes to engage at a high and consistent level. Marrone seems to be winning that battle vs. McD in regards to Dareus. I hate saying that because I HATE Doug Marrone. But it is currently the reality of the situation. Marrone last year got more commitment from Dareus than the Bills did, assuming the claims that Dareus is lazy, are true.

Yeah, I understand the reasoning, I just disagree with it. Dareus carries more in dead cap space this year, than he would have on the actual roster. We also could have either straight cut him after this season with ZERO cap implications. We are paying his replacement the same amount we would pay him if he were on the roster, for lesser production.

Between dead cap and Starr's salary, our DT1 is costing this team ~23 mil this year....

Wait, what? Are you saying yesterday was planned, and not only planned, but with a good result?

I very much disagree with the idea that teams largely get better by subtraction of talent. Sure you have your TO's and such. But guys like Darby, Glenn, and Brown don't fit in that category. This was not a team of misfit personalities that Beane inherited. Our defense got worse without Dareus, and Jacksonville got better. Eliminating talent because they "aren't your guys" or "don't fit they system" doesn't really have a long history of success.

Somebody mentioned this in another thread, thought it was a good topic to discuss. The sad part is we are about to start a 5th round draft pick (who threw 5 picks in a single half) at QB and that position isn't even on my radar currently. Special shout out to WR1, CB2, CB3, OLB, and DT/DE (pass rush). All of which I put ahead of QB as of right now. I probably go: LG C RG RT MLB

What don’t you understand? We are clearing out all of our bad contracts we have to quality football players at important positions, so we can over spend on really bad depth, and unimportant positions. Its the process... (Sarcasm)

Thats not true at all. Beane hasn’t upgraded the secondary at all this year. In fact it probably takes a step back from last year. We lost CB2 and CB3, without a viable replacement. Depth behind Tre is a giant concern. He also traded Darby. Whaley got Poyer, Hyde, and White, just for clarifications. If you’re trying to compare years, last year was better. If you’re trying to compare regimes Gilmore/Darby > Tre/Davis and it’s not close.

I like McD. Not calling him to be fired nor Beane. a lot of our holes and current cap situation is created by the current FO. They shot themselevs in the foot. I don’t want to turn over the FO, but I am keeping a close eye. Wasn’t a fan of the Darby, Glenn (I do understand this helped us get Allen), or Darius trades. They also failed to bring in quality replacements on the OL. I think we should have tried harder to keep Preston Brown. Our starting defense as a whole and offensive line could be much better. Instead we created roster holes and dead cap because Whaley I guess. They’re in a tough spot because they put themselves in a tough spot. The Dareus trade with the Starr signing, means our starting DT costs us about 25 million this year with salary and dead cap,

Who starts game 3 vs who starts week 1 are two different things. Allen deserves a shot with the ones in preseason. So should be him. That said, start Peterman. Watch an MFL QB prepare for a regular season game. See the game at real speed not preseason speed. Learn what regular season defenses are showing. Make sure the OL isn’t a total disaster.

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