BigBuff423

IF the Bills keep Shady, and I'm not sure they do, I think this indicates any RB they Draft is a 4th round guy or later....you don't want to Draft a RB high and then have him 3rd on the list, this isn't like a QB. Once he's in the stable, you want him running...the clock to 30 years old stops for no one. And before anyone says, Beane outright stated Shady is a big piece of the team for next year consider this: we're all about smokescreens for Draft time, EXCEPT when the GM says things we want to hear and two, given how Shady was traded just 3 years ago, I think the team remembers and wants to do it the right way IF they're going to do it. Meaning, I think they want to be able to talk to Shady first and let him know what's coming and no better way than to come right out and say he's a big part of their future plans. Then they can change directions if the trade happens and just say, "It was an offer we couldn't refuse"....

What's interesting to me, is three of those players are Offensive players and I'm guess they're of the holding / false start variety...meaning those are costing the Bills fewer total yards and while it's hard to assess situations from just a number of penalties, I know Jerry's penalties were coming at the absolutely wrong times, i.e. 3rd down etc. His 2013 and 2014 numbers were very productive...I didn't even look at those years for penalties because he had 10 sacks in each of those years I you can allow for more mistakes from a highly productive player, such as a higher INT rate for a QB who throws for a lot of yards and TDs, but the production does not warrant the risk of untimely penalties. IMHO

2017: 68 penalty yards in exchange for 4 sacks,1 FF, and 28 tackles 2016: 80 penalty yards, in exchange for 6 sacks, 1 FF, and 31 tackles 2015: 114 penalty yards, in exchange for 5 sacks, 2 FF, and 37 tackles Yeah, it's not a "false perspective"....

Yes, I agree the UFA set of WRs is not ideal for a team like the Bills, but I'm also not sure the Bills use their only 2nd round selection on a WR if they had to trade both 1sts, a 2nd this year, plus a player and / or Draft pick next year for a QB. I'm not in favor of trading up too far, or at all if possible, but if the Bills make that trade, I don't think they have the option to use their only 2nd on a WR when they will need DT / LB help even more than WR help, given there's Kelvin and Zay already in place. I agree it's a need, I'm just not sure they value that position as much in terms of Draft value in *this* year. Now, if by some miracle they were to get Cousins (and I'm not a fan of that either), I think they'd almost be mandated to do that just because he HAS to have good WRs he can throw to, in order to make his acquisition and contract make sense. However, if the Bills stay put, or don't have up much in terms of Draft picks this year and still Draft a QB, then I could also see them taking a WR in the 2nd. However, I think I'd rather take a FA route if the money isn't insane just because that Rookie QB will need Veteran hands and knowledge to help him succeed.

You may be right, but I also think a lot depends on what they do in the Draft or FA regarding the QB position.

Not to mention all the negative yards Hughes brings in each game through penalties, most of them due to heat of the moment stupidity....I'm willing to bet that if you totaled all of his negative yards through penalties vs. his positive yards he's gained via sacks and stops behind the LOS, he wouldn't be that far ahead....

I'd love to understand a fan who comes to a fan's message board to discuss the team of which he is purported to be a fan, only to dump on nearly every idea anyone else has, yet fail to produce one of his own.....your critical insight is not insight at all, and should you feel the intent to produce a scintilla of valuable insight please do so, it's welcome from virtually everyone, but do you really need to constantly berate, ridicule and demean people's thoughts and opinions simply because they don't align with your own? Enjoy the team, be frustrated by their lack of success (as we all are), live in the highs and try to forget the lows (there are many over the years for sure), and try to contribute in a meaningful way....otherwise, crack open a cold one, pay some to spend some time with you, and.....relax. By the way, your posts are an insult to Poirot - just an aside. Have a nice day.

Listen, I am not buying the report the Bills are that team and I’m hoping they go a different route for a QB. But those who are arguing Jackson is a younger version of Tyrod are either not paying attention or not even trying to evaluate him objectively. He is far superior to Tyrod in every way.

Then you're not Drafting ANY of this year's crop of QBs...sorry, Rosen needs work, Darnold's footwork is a mess, Baker Mayfield had about 3 yards of clean pocket to throw from on virtually every play - his passes will be batted down when he's forced to stay in the pocket and he's not an otherwise perfect tactician either, Rudolph is a great QB and I think he does well in the right system but he needs to strengthen his arm a bit and learn an NFL Offense, and Jackson has is own set of warts....no QB is going to be "pro ready"...also, if you don't give the Bills staff the chance to make their mark, they never will.....you have to give Daboll and McDermott and his staff a chance to truly develop the QB....that's the difference. Look at Philly; Wentz was the guy, but he needed to be coached as did Goff...Jameis has fallen off because he hasn't had that effectively....any young QB needs to be developed.

What's hilarious is that St. Louis, Philadelphia, and Minnesota are all on that list with the top player being the same guy: Sam Bradford. Wow....his agent must be a genius living on an island with some hot local talent bringing him cold drinks somewhere.....damn.

Regarding the bolded statement, I was actually going to start a brand new thread about this very thing. Because, I'm not convinced Beane and company want to give up a king's ransom for anyone, including a QB. I'm also not particularly sold on them being as "hot" for Rosen as it's been reported and Darnold has too many fundamental issues I just don't think the Bills like. If Allen makes it past the Jets, I do think the Bills look in the 7 to 10 range for any the major 4 QBs - and Allen certainly has the greatest potential. The trade with KC last year was moving from 27th to 10th and Bills received the 27th, a 3rd in the same Draft, and of course 2018 1st. The Bills to move to 10, would have 21/22 which is better than a 3rd and following year's 1st - and can probably sweeten the deal with Glenn or someone else and a 4th. IF, that's the price, THEN I think Beane could make the move because he still keeps his two 2nds and by then will probably have traded Tyrod or others for more picks. To be fair to him, what kind of coaching did he have as a Rookie and then for two years that followed?? Doug and his band of idiots.... I am one who truly believes Coaching makes a world of difference in the NFL (no surprise) but I mean really the defining characteristic of the teams that succeed and the ones that don't. You can look at QB and coaching as the two greatest separators from the haves and have nots....EJ with a better QB coach, better HC, and better OC - and while I doubt he's being fitted for a gold jacket, he's probably still a starter and playing well enough, like an Andy Dalton type. I have so much more faith in this FO and this coaching staff, that if they believe so strongly as to trade UP for Josh Allen, then they know what they're getting, believe they can transform his potential into reality, and will design and scheme a way to make him successful. I believe that.

Baker Mayfield Any TE No to Hurst with new heart condition info - probably nothing, but not taking the risk, IMO Any RB not named Barkley - position is just so deep this year, 2nd Round / 3rd Round is the sweet spot

Considering where the Vikings are in terms of team development, it makes the most sense for them to push all their chips in for Cousins. Also, for Cousins from what I've read and heard about him, it makes a good fit for his personality as well. It's a town that loves their football, new stadium, indoors so no weather issues for the home field, a great group of receivers and a dynamic back in Cook along with a pretty good Defense and a HC that really comes off as a good human being. I'd prefer Cousins to go somewhere else just for the selfish reasons of keeping the QB market open for the Bills, but we all know that's not realistic so I'd wish him the best and I have no ill will toward the Vikes. They deserve a title for that city and the good people of Minnesota....just so long as the Bills aren't playing them! Go Bills!

So, you're saying he's perfect for Buffalo....

I've been borderline bullish on this subject, so all I'm really doing is making it single place to come back to: Mason Rudolph. I think he can be a true franchise QB in the right system. For example, if he were to go to the Pats* I have no doubt by the time he starts two years in the NFL, he will be seen as a top 10 QB. Now, if he went somewhere like the Dolphins or Browns, no - I don't see him being that type of QB to turn a franchise around. But for someone like the Vikings, Broncos, and yes even the Bills (presuming they don't trade up and build a team around him), he can be a top 10 QB. If I'm wrong, I'll be fully content to come back and chew on that crow. Not because I think I'm infallible or that I can't make mistakes, because I RARELY go out on a limb this far. But, after watching so much of his video, listening to his interview, listening to both his detractors and those who champion his ability, I believe in the right system and with additional strengthening development (as all college players get once in the NFL), he's a franchise guy through-and-through.

If you watch this video, how does someone NOT come away thinking he has all the makings of a franchise QB when coupled with his resume?? Manning, Brady and others came out not having a “cannon” and they’ve done quite well. Mason Rudolph in the right system is a top 10 QB in the NFL. I’ll own my crow in 2 years if he isn’t....fine by me because I believe he can be that good.

As my issue with a previous response, IMHO it’s not that these awards mean “nothing” it’s that winning the award - as with the Heisman - does not necessarily indicate an NFL ability. However, to dismiss the award as “nothing” would also dismiss collegiate accomplishments, that *could* be indicative of larger ability. In other words, it does not an NFL ready QB make, but it CAN point to real potential. It’s just one small part of the larger resume and I posted that in response to someone who said he wasn’t a capable QB.

That’s a pretty heavy stone you’re throwing from your glass house considering you’re not familiar with Mike White’s playing history and story. But deuces....✌?

There is much, much more to Mike White than your summarized sentence. It would behoove you to do a little background information on him....he’s a very intriguing prospect with a MLB quality fastball. I prefer Rudolph but I would take White with the Bills second 2nd rounder only because I don’t think he’ll last until the final pick of the 3rd round.

To me he is a guy who played football better than necessarily showing off raw athleticism. He’s a player....and a guy complimentary of a RB like Shady. Presuming the Bills keep Shady.

Because just like the Heisman trophy winners, there are just as many bad NFL players that come out with that trophy and fail to produce. It wasn’t intended to be causal, it was intended to demonstrate that your comment about the Unitas award not meaning anything was not representative of the whole as you seemed to dismiss the recognition on the whole. Relax....we disagree, but the point is that no person can make the argument that at the point in time any person’s opinion is definitively “right “ - we just all have our thoughts about why we believe our insight os the best.

Fair enough that you don’t believe his skill set translates to the NFL. But consider some of the previous of Unitas award winners: 1. Peyton Manning 2. Carson Palmer 3. Eli Manning 4. Matt Ryan 5. Andrew Luck 6. Deshaun Watson So it’s no guarantee at all, but to dismiss it out of hand seems myopic as well.

Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the statement here is just factually inaccurate. In fact it’s one of the things I’m drawn to about him. His yards, completion %, TDs, all went up year over year while his INTs remained static. He he won the Johnny Unitas award this year over Baker Mayfield and those who say he doesn’t have a strong arm are missing something. He does not have an elite arm, but watch his video and you’ll see long bomb throws and some tight window throws, and if you watch opposite hash to boundary throws, not all of them good admittedly, but they’re there. And, arm strength within reason can be modestly improved and is certainly nowhere near the most important trait.

Thank you for giving me an original take, and not just panning the same answer I hear all too often regarding Rudolph, but I still respectfully disagree. I see him go through progressions, and I see him stand in and take a hit yet deliver the ball. Yes, RPO very often, but I didn't see many bubble screens. Also, there's plenty of times he anticipates guys open, meaning he doesn't throw them open like he will have to in the NFL, but he makes the throw before the guy is actually open. He also makes several tight window throws after scanning the field. Earlier in another thread I posted a video and the time marks in the video where he does this. His Sophmore and Junior season were much more the way you describe him, but he made some real nice strides in his Senior year in reading the field, setting his feet and doing more of the things you're going to ask him as a Pro to do. Time will tell which of these stand out and which of these flame out, but I dont' think you can put Rudolph in just "any" system, but I do think in the right one, he could be very good. If I'm wrong, I'll be eating a big pile of crow in a couple years and I can live with that, because I'm strong in my conviction to this point.

I like Vea, a lot....but DT - LB - RB and QB are deep in this Draft class, relative to their position (meaning there's potential 6 great QBs and another two or three decent ones, which is deep for QBs). And as I feel about the QB, you do not trade UP for a position of tremendous depth. You use your picks as slotted when you have many of them. You trade UP when there is a dearth of talent that you truly covet, and that's usually just for QB in the 1st round....unless you're Doug Whaley ()