OldTimer1960

Generally agree and I am NOT one who fully buys in to “never take position X in round one” guy, but there have been lots of OGs that I have thought are worth a first - and Green might fit that but most have turned out “OK”

Can you share a link to a pay site? Depending on how much it costs, I might be interested

Interesting. Where are you finding game tapes? I find mostly highlights on YouTube with a few games in there as well

Oh my, I have 2 horrible ones that come to mind: 1. Didn’t want Patrick Mahommes or Desean Watson in the draft 2. Was very meh on the Josh Allen pick. To this day, I think that Chris Kelsey was good, not great, and his critics were too harsh.

I agree with your premise. I don’t fully agree that front 7 is generally undersized. Oliver is light for his position as is Milano (but not by much). Phillips and Star are not really undersized, nor is Edmonds. I think that in those games that D got splattered by run it was refusal to commit more defenders to the run. Likewise, pedestrian sack numbers are partially due to lack of blitzing LBs and stunting and oTher “games” by DL. For a team that often rushes only 4 vs 5 OL plus a RB, is it any wonder they don’t get more sacks?

In the NFL his size advantage will still exist, but it will be much smaller than in college.

I like Dotson, but it will be interesting to see what he runs at the Combine. He appears to be very quick. He appears to be fast, but I’m not sure he is 4.3 fast.

1. You've been a fan since: late 1960s. My first players that I have long-term memory of: O.J. Simpson, Dennis Shaw, Marlin Briscoe, Bobby Chandler, Joe D., Reggie McKenzie, Leonard Smith, Robert James…. 2. Your first Bills memory: OJ destroying defenses and Dennis Shaw winning Offensive Rookie of the Year 3. One of your favorite Bills memories: Simpson’s runs, Jerry Butler, Bruce Smith, Fred Smerlas, Phil Hanson, Cornelius Bennett, Andre Reed, Thurman Thomas, … 4. Your favorite player of all time and your favorite player currently... Probably Bruce Smith, current: Allen, Diggs, Singletary 5. Some of you guys have some awesome forum names. What does your forum name say about you?

True, but are there even 80 guys invited to the Senior Bowl and that includes many big-school guys. I’m not arguing that the NFL isn’t profiting off the Combine in the past 15 years or so, but that doesn’t mean that there isn’t value to the NFL and the prospects beyond the marketing. With the $ that even rookies make, is it really unreasonable for teams to want to see their prospective employees on a fairly level playing field.

The game tape is very important, of course, but how do you judge a player who played against middling competition and dominated? He LOOKS fast against the opponents he played, but is he really NFL fast? Can’t always tell from game tape. Likewise in terms of strength and quickness. It is also valuable just to see how a guy reacts in an unfamiliar environment where he doesn’t have as many people as usual helping/coaching him. It doesn’t sound unreasonable to me. What is so egregious?

The Combine affords teams the ability to get comparable performance test results for all of the participants. At the Combine, everyone runs, jumps, lifts under the exact same conditions. To compare pro day performances, you need to worry about different conditions- for example a “faster” or “slower” surface for speed drills. You also don’t have to worry that maybe one school sets up their 40 yard dash line just shot of 40 or worry that QB A is throwing under ideal conditions and QB B is in windy, wet conditions. Easy to imagine other differences fro pro day site to pro day site. Now, does that outweigh whatever grievances players have with the Combine? I guess that is an individual decision. I don’t see the big deal or what players/agents might be up in arms about in general about the Combine. I can at least understand why players and agents are mad at the COVID restrictions because it limits what support personnel (trainers, nutritionists, interview coaches, etc can be with the players. Still, that doesn’t seem like a big sacrifice in my view. As always, the highly rated players can get away with not attending or participating, because teams will grumble but attend their pro days. The lesser coveted guys looking to improve their stock will probably benefit by being at the Combine and participating.

I agree that in the Bills’ current state, I’d rather have fewer picks, but more in the 2nd-4th, if possible. Trade ups of a few spots to secure a player that is standing out on the Bills’ board can be a good strategy. Still, Bills’ aren’t exactly flush with “draft capital” picking late in every round, so I think any big trade ups are unlikely unless Bills include a vet in the deal - even then I don’t think that any player the Bills would consider parting with would fetch, at best, a 3rd.

I know that he is exceptionally quick. Will he hold up in the NFL at 170lbs? I guess that is about Beasley/McKenzie size.

Wan’dale Robinson is tiny at 5’8” 170 - I would have a difficult time spending even the Bills’ late 2nd rounder on someone that size. 3rd round, maybe. I’m not saying that someone won’t grab him in the 2nd, just that I’d be wary that early.

How do you compare Olave and Dotson? Admittedly, I’ve only seen highlights and everyone looks good on highlights, but Dotson has great hands and is pretty shifty. He might have to play slot only at his size.

I don’t think I want to wait until round 6 to pick a CB. Assuming Wallace leaves, this is a critical need position.

It isn’t a fair comparison. When the QB runs, there is an element of surprise for the D and there is an extra blocker (RB blocks, but QB generally does not block when the RB runs). I also think that the way to improve the run game is by improving the blocking. Sure, Singletary isn’t fast, but if you give him a hole he can be effective.

Makes sense. Interesting idea considering a rookie LT if the idea would be to kick Dawkins inside. I hadn’t thought of that.

Why are you interested in another OT? I think Spencer Brown will be fine opposite Dion Dawkins.

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Oh man, I am still traumatized by the Braves leaving town. I LOVED the Braves - McAdoo, Ernie D!, McMillan, Big E Elmore Smith, Randy Smith (from Buff State), Adrian Dantley, etc. Really some great players from a team that lasted only 7 years.

Man, Burks is BIG and looks fast to me on video. He could be great - but you are right, he is likely gone before Bills’ pick. Do you like either Olave or Penn State WR? Think very likely a CB in round 1, but depends how it falls. If a WR they can’t pass over is there, they could come back with CB and interior DL on day 2, but that still leaves IOL unaddressed.

For the past several years someone has posted a link to a database of game video of draft prospects. Is there a link up for this year’s prospects?

I hate the lotteries in NBA, NHL. I will forever suspect that the NBA rigged their first draft lottery to put Patrick Ewing in NY. The whole point of the draft is to help the worst teams get better. Anything that allows a very weak team to fall more than a few spots in the draft due to a lottery is not working in that direction. Honestly, for fans of bad teams the quest for high picks is entertaining in itself.

I think a bit early to give up on Rousseau and Basham and even Epenesa. I would not hate a pass rusher, but would probably rather go to another position in round one. They knew that they had to pay Allen, so didn’t want to spend on the FAs.