OldTimer1960

If they could get Mayfield for 21, 22 a 2nd this year and next - I would consider that - i just don’t think that gets them into the top 5

Agreed.

If the point was that If only they could get the best QB they would immediately be Super Bowl contenders, then I disagree. Sure, a FEW all-time greats have carried their whole team to Super Bowls (Brady, Farve and who?), but there are studs who never won a SB - I can’t think of a QB who was better than Dan Marino and he never won one. For the VAST majority, supporting cast matters and the Bills’ supporting cast is currently lacking.

I posted that and the point was that the Rams had a LOT of talent on their roster before they drafted Goff. They had been drafting early for several years (with same coaches and front office) and had extra high picks from the bounty that the Skins traded them for the right to draft Robert Griffin.

Right on!

Posted this in another thread - Goff came after the Rams had fortified the roster with several years of high draft picks. Here is the Rams’ 2017 depth chart. They have 7 of their own 1st round picks. They also have another 6 of their own 2nd and 3rd round picks starting. They’ve also added via FA or trade: Watkins (1), Whitworth (2), Mark Barron (1), Robert Woods (2). That is, 17 of their 22 starters were drafted in rounds 1, 2 and 3. That is a very impressive roster - they were not a ragtag bunch of bums that Goff magically transformed to winners. http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/LAR

I would not complain. I’ve been a draft nut since they first started televising it on ESPN. That perspective let’s me see that while the draft analysts get a good general picture of the prospects, they are not the experts. Heck, I love reading opinions of former NFL scouts, but those former scouts do not (and cannot possibly) put as much time in on the draft prospects as an entire NFL team scouting staff. Further, the draft pundits don’t have the same access to college coaches as the NFL teams do. Finally, even the NFL scouts are not exactly infallible- Brady in the 6th, Brees in the 2nd, Rodgers in the bottom third of the first - this isn’t an exact science.

I agree. A guy that big that does that has clearly not trained. Add in his historically terrible 40 time and he might not get picked before the 5th round. He sure doesn’t appear to be the kind of player that McDermott is looking for.

Who says he doesn’t read the field well - Mike Mayock thinks he is impressive mentally and is one the best anticipation passers this year.

“Team sources” also said that Cordy Glenn couldn’t play OT. Teams throw out all sorts of misinformation about prospects. To be clear, I am NOT saying that I know any scouts think of him as a 1st or 2nd round pick, but it would not surprise me given his arm, size and experience as a starter. Mike Mayock praises his knowledge of the game. i would not use an anonymous quote posted on Walter Football as evidence of how the NFL views any player.

THAT was INCREDIBLE! Yes and that was about how he played for the Bills.

Again, projected by whom? Some NFL scouts may be a lot higher on White than the draft pundits. I am not saying that is necessarily the case, but it might very well be true.

I see it similarly.

Carson Wentz went to Freaking North Dakota State, Derek Carr went freaking Fresno State and Ben Roethlisberger is from freaking Miami of Ohio. Some small-school prospects do ok.

Agreed. I am not dissing Cousins - he is good, but I don’t think he is going to single-handedly carry a poor supporting cast - he wasn’t able to carry the Skins to success. For what he will get, the “winning” team will have to cut corners elsewhere.

I think that if they were serious about bidding for Cousins, they wouldn’t be willing to pay Taylor’s $6M bonus.

All true, but the current value of those assets acquired last year are a lot lower than they expected. When they made that deal, I imagine that they thought their own pick would be in the top 10 and KC’s pick about where it ended up. Now, it will take both picks just to get to where they thought their own pick would be. Also pretty sure that they thought the 2nd from the Rams would be a lot earlier than it is. I suspect they expected to have picks around 10, 22, 42 and 45. Instead, they have 21, 22, 53 and 56. They will have to adjust their strategy.

Gonna be hard to outbid Denver who already has the 5th pick.

Bills’ don’t need the “most ready to play” guy. They need the guy who will be best over the long-haul. But, just to play along, if they can’t get Rosen or Mayfield, do you think Darnold, Allen or Jackson are really ready to play immediately?

In 2014, Blake Bortles, Jonny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater were all rated higher than Derek Carr (and were drafted before Carr). Yet, most would say that. Carr is the best QB from that draft. in 2012, Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin 3, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weldon and Brock Osweiler were the top QB prospects and all but Osweiler went in round 1and Osweiler round 2. Russell Wilson went in the 3rd, Kirk Cousins in the 4th and Nick Foles also went in the 3rd.

They really don’t have as much draft capital as many think. Because both 1sts and both 2nd are in the bottom 1/3 of the respective rounds, it will be very difficult to out-bid Denver or the Jets at the top for any of the top 3. i am sure that the plan is not to try to unearth an overlooked prospect. But none of know how they have graded the QBs. Scenario: Vikings sign Cousins, Browns take Rosen 1st, Giants take Darnold and Denver or the Jets trade a 2nd or 3rd rounder with Colts and take Mayfield. They would have to think very hard before giving up both 1sts to move up for Allen or Jackson. Now, if those guys drop to where maybe 21 & 53 get them there, maybe OK. But, none of us know what they think of any of these QBs. It is not too much of a stretch to think that they might not like Allen, Jackson or Rudolph any better than they might like Mike White. For sure Allen’s arm and Jackson’s running are elite traits, but they are risky guys in that you don’t really know if either will ever be accurate enough. White has a strong arm, maybe better than Rudolph’s. Maybe they think White is that cerebral pocket passer that they are looking for. Just because the draft analysts see things one way, it doesn’t mean that some pro scouts don’t see thing differently.

Agree

Kirk Cousins, Jimmy Garropolo, Russell Wilson, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott, Drew Brees and Tom Brady might disagree. I am not saying that it wouldn't be nice to get a top prospect, but: 1. Some good starting QBs can be found after round 1 (for sure a lower probability) 2. They are not getting high enough to get Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield -'after them I'm not sold enough on Allen, Jackson or Rudolph to trade up much for one of them.

Yes and he was tough. He became a fan whipping boy here, but he had a decent career.

If they want Rudolph, I think that they will have to either take him in the 1st or would have to trade up in the 2nd. I don't think they can expect him to be available at pick 53.