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There was pre draft chatter about us and tampa if we only spend a 2 to get there I might get on the phone with 22 chasing roquan honestly.

Im cool maximizing value but the pick is there for this very reason. Sounds like they are 100% fine witheither qb left

To walk out of the first with 1 and 4 and end up with Ward and mayfield would annoy me as a browns fan

That might be a nice win. What trade would you make and for who? Farm for Darnold?

Could see it. Tampa at 7 is a nice spot. 12 and a 2 and keep 22

Rosen I give a premium. Allen I consider going to 7 which is low costing Rosen goes to Denver

If so I start aggressively going after Rosen at 4. If they go allen, slow play it

If jets take allen we can slow play this

That’s huge. If the jets take allen we are lined up to get a relatively polished qb without giving up 22

The worry is if giants take Darnold.... two qbs off by 3 would be the best case assumption if three go it’s no good.. Getting the leftover of Darnold/Rosen at 5 or 7 would be great.

No good for us

Man, he’s a heckuva athlete but he is coming off as bricks dumb in this red carpet interview.... if he ends up the guy somehow I’ll hope for the best but it’ll be a worry.

Yup. If you can get 1 kamara-esque year out of him... day two pick and 4m total pay isn’t that scary... if you can get even just 2 of those, it’s an absolute steal.

Call me crazy but if no trade ups... I wouldn’t mind two WRs by end of round 3 12-qb 22– wr/lb 2a—wr/lb 2b— rb 3a— ol 3b — wr/te... or trade for Bryant in Pittsburgh as a rough example of getting qb, 3 playmakers on offense and a project for the line without skipping mlb. we need guys that can make explosive plays on offense.

Flip side is on a 4 year 4m deal... if you get even 1 season out of him it’s good cash value and what’s the success rate of a day two pick? If he’s there late 2 early 3 I would rather take the risk on him potentially falling apart than a project coming together. Just manage expectations accordingly always feel bad for running backs. I know, only so bad for the kid getting multi millions here but jeeeze is it ever tough compared to their peers in the league at other spots.

I hate to say it but as a mid round pick you aren’t looking at a ten year investment, you are beating the kid up for cheap for a couple years.... anything after that is a super bonus. If this allows him to play a rookie contract it wouldnt effect where i take him at all

I suspect you would learn to love hating him quickly

Im not sure you speak for most. I think it’s a stretch to say even most here have watched a lot of his games to fully grasp the scheme he was in.... and this is a tiny sliver of the most obsessive fans.

Its definitely a layered and nuanced discussion that my one liner does little justice for.... all you wrote can be true. Impulse control, delayed gratification etc... are major. Also there are those that are self sabotaging and others that don’t actually want to be football players that said, there are a variety of reasons besides addiction that a kid would potentially blow this chance.

Theres a difference between an addict and simply not caring

The funny thing is, it would 100% happen naturally but no harm in them spearheading it

I recall when VY was so untrusted withgame situations and reads that he couldn’t audible and was not allowed to call timeouts without permission from the sideline I’ll contend that TT has major pre snap issues too and was often untrusted by coaches

I dunno - those two from Cleveland would be mighty appealing, and the points work out: 4+1=5 get Russ on the phone we need to get ahead of this

Yea but for the first time in 20 years we’ve caught up to league trends. Chan and buddy would’ve been talking about the process 3 years from now....

It would seem to be a pretty good mistake by the giants. Youd be giving the guy top 5 money at his position fully guaranteed. At what point do you just get a top vet in free agency or via trade of any lower pick. To pass on a package of 3 firsts would be terrible even if barkley is excellent