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Andy Reid was best known as a playoff choker and terrible game clock manager and the Chiefs fanbase was ready to move on from him..........until he got this guy. No reason to believe that the Bills wouldn't have won a SB with Mahomes by now unless you think McBeane are otherwise incompetent. I was a fan of the Josh Allen selection but it's idiotic to suggest that trading Mahomes to a division/AFC rival was anything but a mistake. Even for a very good cornerback and the primary asset used to acquire Tremaine Edmunds. Mahomes literally just defeated the Bills in the most recent AFCCG...........until the Bills win a SB with Allen it's not even a point of contention.

Meh. Mahomes has been to the last two Super Bowls and won a Lombardi. Was also the league MVP. I am a huge Allen fan but until he evens the ledger.........which is no guarantee (ask Kelly and Marino about SB rings).........it's a moot point. If actual accomplishments mean nothing then Jackson and Herbert and Burrow and maybe Lawrence and even DeShaun Watson(if he gets off the hook) are all in the mix as "potentially" greater longer term AFC QB's than Allen or Mahomes. The days of there only being 3-5 consistently elite QB's in the league are probably over.

It's not about whether the Titans "can" lose to a much lesser team.........it's knowing that they already have and probably will again.

I disagree that they are "just as likely" to lay an egg as the Titans. The Titans style of play, their personnel and the history of their HC and QB make them more likely to lose games they have no business losing, IMO. They've already showed that against the Jets. They are a winning organization overall, but they are also characterized by that same inconsistency that they exhibited versus NYJ. The longer the season, the more likely that is to hurt them. The Bills could be in two close dogfights with New England and could end up losing others but I highly doubt they get beaten by a Jets or Jaguars or Dolphins type team.

No, with the McBeane Bills there has been no notice of the impending trade or the principals involved. Surprising, but true. And my point with people complaining about Allen not taking the check down is that most of the big plays he's made this year could have been checked down and those drive might have stalled instead. They aren't as efficient at the short passing game this year as they were last year.........but they are more productive. I'm not worrying about 4 years from now. I'm sure Aaron Rodgers has been a better, or at least smarter, QB in the last decade than he was when he won the SB in the 2010 season. But he hasn't been back. Regardless of Allen getting better, he may never have a better team or situation to win a Super Bowl than this season.

I don't either. Their style doesn't translate well to a 20 game season, IMO.

I don't think so.......being forewarned of trade targets.......and then trades subsequently happening.......has not happened at all under Beane so my point was why was that clarity of any import to the discussion? The players involved in Beane's trades have all been surprises.......not trades they were connected to by anyone. But when Beane has made trades, it has been to address needs. He dealt Watkins and Darby to get draft pick ammunition they felt they needed to get one of the QB prospects in the 2018 draft. He has dealt for WR's four times now because the team was in desperate need for WR help in each instance.

They should lose at least 3 more, yes. And while they are built to shorten the game against high powered offenses with fast defenses that are built to protect big leads............they are also more vulnerable to getting upset by bad teams. As we saw against the Jets.

Yep, Sanders hauled off on the cart in tears. Hopefully that puts the RB trade talk to bed. O-line just needs to block better for both the run and the pass.

This is the best set-up to win the conference that the Bills have had since the SB era...........there are no teams in the AFC that don't have glaring positional weaknesses. However, there are teams like Cinci who are probably a year away from peak and teams like Baltimore that are having down seasons in terms of performance or injuries that can expect to bounce back next year. The time is now McBeane.

Mahomes just got blasted.......concussion protocol for next week.

Mahomes just got KTFO.

Man the fantasy players and old timers are obsessed with runnin' bax..........this is the 3rd thread on the front page discussing trading for Miles Sanders.

Buffalo plaid!

To be clear, almost all of Beane's trades happened without any notice/connection whatsoever.........let alone what you might consider "actually" being linked. Were the Bills connected to Stefon Diggs in the media? No, total stunner. Kelvin Benjamin? Not at all. The Watkins and Darby deals happened completely out of nowhere. If Beane is going to make a trade why would you expect notice?

Yeah and Feliciano is nowhere near as bad as Colin Brown was..........but this Bills offense works best when Allen has a lot of time to throw the football. So the standard for quality at the guard position has to be at least "solid" for them to play offense like they want to. Feliciano has been less than that. We have people on this site who put the blame for some of the stalled drives on Allen not taking hand-picked check down throws............but that is exactly what defenses want the Bills to do in 2021......check it down.......run a lot of plays.......and give them an opportunity to create a negative play or a turnover or for the Bills to get penalized. This strategy works less efficiently when the offense is playing 4 down football.........as an article about 2 minute offense that @dave mcbride linked recently illustrated.......but in 3 down offense this is the way to defend an explosive passing game like Buffalo. The old axiom about 3 things can happen when you throw the ball and 2 of them are bad...............well now that could be 4 things can happen when you play dink and dunk football and 3 of them are bad.

Well the whole point of this thread is discussing trade options which line up well on paper. This is one of them. The Bills don't have cap space at this very moment only because they don't need it right now. If they need it, they can make it with a modest restructure of a contract or two. Not even remotely talking about a hard salary cap here. Norwell isn't in the last season of his contract but his base salary is high and they are a rebuilding team. Sometimes, usually in fact, offensive guard is one of the easiest positions on the field to replace adequately. The Bills are just caught with their pants down there this year. Creating an opportunity for the Jags to possibly extract a day 2 pick and perhaps a lottery ticket on a guy like Cody Ford in exchange for a player signed to a big contract by different leadership than Urban Meyer that they might not want to pay $20M to as they are schedule to over the next season and a half. These are the kind of situations that result in trades. It's how the Kelvin Benjamin deal went down. It wasn't a walk year deal. Waiting until players are in their walk years is how you get a 5th, 6th or 7th round pick instead of a 3rd or 4th because if the Jags were 2-6 at this point next year teams would be looking at taking Norwell's $7M remaining salary off the Jags hands as doing them a big favor. See the Zach Ertz trade. Ertz answered the offseason questions about his health and viability as a starting TE, the Cardinals were desperate for TE help, and still all Philly got was a 5th and another player who was a late rounder.

Yeah @Inigo Montoya is full of sh*t on this one...........the 90's Bills could get no peace out in public. My girlfriends sister lived in OP and was very good friends with the wife of a young Bills starter on the last SB team and I got roped into going out to eat with them all after the Bills beat the Raiders in the divisional round. I figured at least I was leaving the great eats of my tailgate to go somewhere like Salvatore's where the players could have their own room with family etc.. Nope, nothing like being outside in -30 windchill for 9 hours and then going to Applebees. He was a big public nice guy and local tv regular but he was PISSED about all the people coming up to congratulate him when he was trying to eat. Also, Inigo.......if you are trying to start a campaign to get Bills fans to stop slobbering all over Bills players and coaches in public........this ain't the place........it's mostly ex-pats here that aren't liable to even be in town to run into Bills. Take it to a broader social media platform.

High impact, in-season trades happen in the NFL. The Bills own Emmanuel Sanders was a recent example in 2019. He helped San Francisco reach the SB and was open on the long throw late in the game that likely wins the game for SF if Jimmy G doesn't air-mail it. As a fan who watched Bill Polian intentionally sit on his hands in the offseasons during the Bills SB run..........stubbornly determined to prove that his team had no weaknesses..........I think we should remember that the most important SB win is the first one. I still remember being astounded that San Fran traded Charles Haley to the Cowboys a week before the 1992 season........arguably the 49ers biggest rival historically even prior to their 90's matchups..........and somehow the Bills weren't in on that outright theft of talent despite their SB window being open. Not only did they not get a defensive identity game changer but Haley ended up helping another team beat them in the SB. But there is this idea among fans that moving some money around to add a difference maker automatically means a lesser team in the future.........and frankly that is neither necessarily true nor is it as important as giving yourself a better chance to a SB in this season.

The Bills have positions that they aren't exceptional at..........but LG might be the only position where they are often incompetent. As already discussed in other threads regarding possibly acquiring Andrew Norwell..........if I am the Bills opposition I am working to get my best pass rusher on the Bills LG. It stands out as a weakness in much the same way as it once did years ago with Colin Brown. Mitch Morse isn't very good and Dawkins has been inconsistent returning from covid........so it's proving difficult to cover for bad left guard play. I thought they had fixed the spot to some extent with the signing of Forrest Lamp........and Cody Ford turning out to be utterly useless has really hurt he just needed to be decent.

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Oh there are many "particular" reasons that this might be their best chance at a Lombardi. A conference without a dominant team........even the other top teams like KC and Baltimore have glaring weaknesses. An extremely favorable, easy schedule that a 1st place team rarely sees.........including a division of all non-playoff contenders, two with rookie starting QB's. Still being in the prime rookie QB contract window(yes this year and next Allen is still a low cap hit). It would be difficult to be MORE setup to win a Super Bowl than the Bills are right now. Unless you are the Belichick Patriots and can comfortably lose a bunch of starters every offseason and not miss a beat..........and the Bills have clearly been more of a continuity-based organization.......then you are likely to have windows of very different sizes over the course of a decade even if you have a great QB. Green Bay is an example of a team that has always played the long game with Rodgers and it's cost them. They got that SB very early in his career(2010 season).........catching the NFC in a down year and the only season where the Patriots were clearly the best team in the NFL but didn't reach the SB on a flukey loss to Rex and the Jets. If the latter doesn't happen..........Rodgers may be the Dan Marino of this generation.

Turner is right on this. Of course, he wasn't saying Edmunds could play faster and better before..........he was always pretending that the criticisms of his late reactions and inability to get off of blocks........weren't accurate.........which was simply disingenuine. That is unfortunate, I think he has a good understanding of the game but if you aren't objective you might as well be an ESPN talking head just saying what sells. Edmunds has absolutely made strides so far this season.

Yep, when you get a franchise QB the dopes always assume the team has a decade of dominance ahead. In October of 2000 if you said the Peyton Manning Colts would only win 1 SB over the next 11 seasons........that would have seemed ridiculous.........the future was theirs.......by A LOT..........an inevitable dynasty. The Bills may eventually field better teams.........but maybe they won't ever have a better chance at a SB than this season.

Daryl Porter. He was the player who was assigned blame for wandering toward the ball and not staying in his lane and allowing Dyson a free run to the end zone. As for some of the guesses............Rob Johnson couldn't care less about being blamed for anything............Bruce DeHaven is long dead.........Wade has made it clear that it wasn't his decision to bench Flutie so if Wiley was blaming it on the QB choice the guy who made that is also long since dead. So nothing he said leads anywhere but toward Daryl Porter. A well liked reserve DB who screwed up but the Bills made so many mistakes that day that they left themselves vulnerable to a bad officials call.