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Regarding the Bills game plan to let Chase Young go wide.........they simply copied the gameplan the Chargers(then NYG) had for him. Not so much clever as competent use of copy cat game planning.

Tillman has forced the most fumbles by a back 7 player since it became a stat, which is what we are talking about, yes. The technique that White used to cause that fumble Sunday is named after him for a reason.

Yes. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TillCh20.htm

This is the same mistake The Big Cat made with his "heat maps" when defending Rex Ryan's defense in Buffalo............trying to explain away an inherent deficiency using a statistical field that does not take into account individual player strengths and weaknesses. While team fumble recoveries.........and to some extent turnovers.........can seem random or fluctuate greatly from season to season.........certain players are clearly exceptional at creating them AND coming away with the football. Undeniably.

You are confusing "perfect" execution with the minimally successful execution. Perfect execution is baiting Henicke into throwing into the double team and making a play on the football............getting him to move to his second read and putting the responsibility on Milano to handle the much tougher coverage assignment was the least that Edmunds should have accomplished. Again.........Milano had the much harder job and Poyer made an alert and instintive play. All Edmunds did was combine on a double team to take away a very short pass option. As for the "Beasley makes LB's look silly" take.........sometimes.........but other times he gets bracketed and Allen should be moving on to his next read. Heinicke did a poor job of recognizing the coverage pre-snap. Where else was Edmunds going to go if he didn't blitz?

Now Edmunds has elevated his game to being a Tre White clone too. 😆 We'll be looking for that Tre White "Peanut Punch" next.............oh wait...........no that's right, fumble recoveries are totally random........no correlation between a well-timed, intentional stripping away of the football from an offensive player fighting for extra yardage......and the subsequent alert defender anticipating the possibility of such.......must be a highly unexpected and random occurrence. Funny how the same guys keep making all the random big plays...........as I was watching that Milano recovery I was reminded of the Poyer/Milano strip/recovery that was overturned at the very end of the Colts playoff game. I had no idea this stuff was totally random.

FIFY Second most receiving yards produced per game (117.6) in a non-strike shortened season since the NFL merger.

While it's true that you can get great pressure without sacks..............against Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady they will need to actually be able to get close enough to hit the QB on passing plays. Presumably they are one or both of the stumbling blocks to winning the SB this season.........and that's how you beat them. That's just common sense at this point......anyone arguing otherwise is a dope. The only additions they made to the defense were to address that deficiency............so trying to undersell the value of actually taking down the QB at this point is more than a bit off-key.

I'm still holding out a glimmer of hope that he will turn the corner........because probably 90% of his issues are in the speed of processing/decision making and after 3,000 snaps as an NFL MLB you'd have to hope that the game would slow down enough for him to put himself into position to make plays. But it's definitely getting discouraging when week-after-week he doesn't. Erik Turner isn't doing himself any favors with these examples of Edmunds sneaky greatness.🙄 He literally did the bare minimum you need from any LB on that play.

Yeah, let's face it, it's more the spirit of the rule that people are opposed to. The vax card is just a frickin' piece of cardstock. If they said you had to have scannable e-vax card that would be a different story but until further notice the lack of a vax card will only keep the very least resourceful people out of games.

The difference between Edmunds and a great MLB there is a great one baits Heinecke into throwing that ball into double coverage............it took almost no effort to do what he did and he simply played his minimum coverage responsibility on the play. Just another case of routine, team-defense misinterpreted as a big play. Milano had the tougher coverage responsibility and he carried it long enough that the pass rush should have closed the deal. But Poyer won the down with the play that DOES show up in the "score box"........a heads-up, instinctive play. That isn't an accident with Poyer, it's who he is.

If you don't have anything to contribute other than complaining about posters for discussing Tremaine Edmunds game in a thread about him.........then you are the problem. Stay out of threads that are going to hurt your feelings. It's not complicated but some people like yourself cannot grasp that every topic is not an open letter directly addressed to you. Start your own thread to complain about people posting their opinions..........those always have a good following........then you can blanket the issue with your general disdain for two sided discussion.

It was even easier to get in at 10 minutes to 1 pm today than it was last week. The covid card check was prior to the metal detector and was super quick. House was totally packed so the worry about vax requirement hurting attendance were misplaced.

Yep. You all need to get thru those gates ASAP so I can cruise in casually at 10 minutes to 1 like last game.

They are stuck with Edmunds cap figure in 2022...........it became fully guaranteed when they exercised it......so they'd have to trade him to move that money off the books. I think the bigger issue with giving Taron Johnson a potentially huge contract is the fact that the offensive side of the ball is looking a bit patch-work. Hopefully the oftensieve line that they've been so far gels into a unit that Allen and the RB's can trust...........but regardless, none of the interior are individual match-up winning players. Their WR corps is deep but unlike some of the more explosive groups they don't have a 1B option behind Diggs........and Emmanuel Sanders is already talking retirement after this season and Beasley is getting long in the tooth and hasn't looked as dynamic so far either. They are pedestrian at RB and shallow and suspect at TE. The list of reserve players with big upside probably begins and ends with Spencer Brown. Their offense will need to be addressed........there certainly appear to be more potential holes on that side of the ball for 2022 than on D right now.

So technically on defense they have difference makers in White, Milano, Hyde and Poyer tied up thru 2023........along with players we see have actually seen play well enough to project very high end potential like Epenesa and Rousseau. On offense.........they only have Allen, Diggs and Dawkins as difference makers tied up thru 2023. Even if you throw Gabe Davis into that mix the team is very lopsided in investment on the defensive side of the ball. I'd like to see the Bills avoid going the Aaron Rodgers route where they short play the bulk of a superstar QB's career by not 1st round picks to support his side of the ball. 13 of the Packers last 16 first round picks have been on defense. And one of those 3 on offense was QB Jordan Love. And you know.......the best value of those 16 #1's was probably offensive tackle Bryan Bulaga. If the Bills go D in round 1 again in 2022 that would be 5 of the 7 McDermott-era first round selections having been expended on the defensive side of the ball.........and one of those was traded for Stefon Diggs and at $14M aav that came with a big veteran cap hit and the other was spent on Allen himself.

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This thread is funny. Next season the Bills back 7 cap hits include: $16M Tre White $13M Tremaine Edmunds $10M Matt Milano $10M Jordan Poyer $9M Micah Hyde They already crossed the "too much $ invested in defense" line a bit when they surprisingly paid Milano. They are reaping the benefits this year because the defense is loaded..........but having 8-9 highly paid defenders isn't reasonable/sensible cap management. Offense is a lot more sustainable. They need to keep the offensive side of the ball stacked.

Edmunds definitely does some good things IN THIS SYSTEM.......that's why he's a top 10-12 type MLB in the NFL. He's a lot like Tyrod Taylor at QB though...........Tyrod was elite at not turning the football over........before he got benched in 2016 he was about to QB a team to the fewest turnovers ever in a SB era season. And like Edmunds he made a Pro Bowl, deservedly, in a year where only 2 of the top 8 QB's were in the AFC. The thing was.........we all knew Taylor wasn't actually a great QB and that he left a ton of plays on the field. You couldn't justify paying him top of the market, which was $30M per year. But $15M on a bridge deal wasn't out of the question because he had lead some good offensive teams. The issue with Edmunds is that he's not going to be signed for half of what Darius Leonard signed for. He probably doesn't even deserve Joe Schobert money, to be honest. And most people on here have no idea who that is.

He has 0 TFL this season.........so would saying he made a tackle behind the LOS qualify as hyperbole? Yes, yes it would. Like I said........people want to characterize solid plays as game changing or "splash" plays. They are not.

I think if they felt that Edmunds was the foundation that the entire defense was built around that he'd at least have been inked to a long term deal by now. It's more likely that they think he's good enough for now while they hope that he improves his consistency and starts making more big plays. And besides, if Milano is healthy they don't really have another regular position to move him to where it wouldn't be a veritable start from scratch(like edge) anyway. Probably the only way we'd ever get to find out how Edmunds would perform as a one-side-of-field defender prior to his free agency would be if he missed a lot of time and his replacement played so well that they would not need to plug Edmunds back in the middle.

Yeah that was one of them. The main issue was not getting a QB, obviously. But next was constantly letting good young players leave in FA or via trade and then trying to draft their replacements early. That was just treading water and maintaining mediocrity.........they could never get ahead.......and sometimes those high picks would bust(like Leodis) and then they weren't even getting back to square one at that position. Also desperate regimes without the best long term interest of the organization making bad "draft for immediate need" decision. And drafting lesser positions too early (see drafting Spiller and Whitner top 10). Finally, drafting 20 year old underclassmen year after year and plugging them into bad culture situations with very little leadership in the locker room. Things like drafting Sammy Watkins and not having a vet in the WR room was absolutely asinine........but the list was long, Whitner, Lynch, Dareus, Watkins.......all very young players drafted very high and handed lot's of money. Hard to excel at player development like that.

There aren't really metrics to support the "near impossibility" of attacking Edmunds in zone drops. He took a step back last year when opposing QB's started attacking him more. He's still too easily manipulated. In college he was really just a see-ball get-ball LB and not instinctive or good at recognizing the broader scope of how plays are going to unfold. It's not a mistake that instinctive backers make plays......their anticipation allows it. But just as important Edmunds has not been a threat to make plays on the football if you throw at him and when that's the case then eventually QB's will take their chances. That happened to the tune of a woeful 114 passer rating against and passing 4 TD's allowed by him in 2020. I remember on Sunday the Dolphins worked him for a 13 yard gain to Waddle on a play where he and Gesicki both attacked the middle. Brissett read Edmunds shoulders and that was that(setting up the 4th down where Jackson made the great shoe-string tackle). So, still not impossible. Edmunds is the nail too often in the passing game and QB's are getting better at being the hammer. It's pretty early in the season but he's been targeted 4 times and allowed 3 completions so far and his passer rating allowed is 106 (which would, of course, be very bad as a season figure).

So you kinda' remember one play from the last season? A TFL........he's had just 4 TFL's in his last 21 regular season games so that's probably why you sorta' remember that one. Here's some more dandies from his career stat log: He has never recovered a fumble in his career. He hasn't forced a fumble in 44 games. Hasn't had an interception since 2019........when he had 1. He has just 3 QB hit's in his last 23 games. Last season he blitzed 72 times and did not even record a single pressure. He hasn't made ZERO actual big plays.........but it's rather astounding how few he's made when playing almost 3,000 career defensive snaps.

1. Obviously being 10th-12th best in the league when you have 1st team All Pro potential is underachieving. That's more than just "Could he IMPROVE? Sure". He SHOULD improve. SHOULD. A LOT. I've said this before.......when the Bills offense was so anemic that it was challenging records for futility in 2018......McDermott would attempt to deflect criticism by saying nonsense like "would we like to score 50 points every game? Sure." There is a VAST area of ground between scoring a record amount of points per game and a record LOW of points per game. That's just the kinda' sh*t someone says to deflect when they don't have a reasonable explanation. And my expectations of him aren't unique. There was much bluster about him and the decision to move him to MLB(from OLB at VA Tech) from within the organization. He's Brian Urlacher on-the-hoof.......but instead of being an All Pro he's just a "good enough" player at a devalued position where there are very few above average players around the league. They are like RB's........you can win SB's with guys like Anthony Hitchens so unless teams are blown away they aren't investing first round picks or pass rusher type contracts in that position. When teams spend early or mid 1st round picks on a MLB they expect All Pro type play. Not what Edmunds has produced. 2. Taron Johnson is a 6' 190 # slot CB. Jordan Poyer is a small-ish safety at 6' 200#. That is not a "hybrid" of any sort. They are good players.........very physical and good tacklers for their size.......but they are not a combination of a front 7 player and a CB. The closest thing the Bills have to the 230# Shaq Thompson type that Carolina over-drafted to be that "hybrid" player for McDermott's defense is Siran Neal. Shaq Thompson never really worked out as the impactful big nickel hybrid they imagined he would be.....it was a mostly failed experiment. He's just a short LB now. And Neal hasn't been able to cut it in coverage. And YES.........I want a guy like Edmunds making TFL's and sacks and forcing/recovering fumbles etc.. Everyone should.......much was invested in him to be all of that. Milano does those things. You intentionally trying to skew the numbers by using "games played in" as a basis to make it seem that there is less of a difference between the two isn't convincing to those who actually follow the Bills closely and realize that Tremaine Edmunds has played almost 400 more defensive snaps in his career than the oft-nicked Milano(in 1 less season!). And Milano is more than just the man for splash plays........he also makes the OTHER plays that Edmunds does........he just gets less overall tackle opps because Edmunds plays the mike. Edmunds has somehow turned more opportunities to affect the game into less big plays. And I am not sure how you can imply that Edmunds is better in coverage than Milano. Or that he's a better solo tackler. Both assertions are ridiculous, IMO. 4. See my take in point 1 about attempting to deflect criticism rather than acknowledging it.