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Yanks recently clinched their 32nd consecutive winning season..........which is an incredible accomplishment. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yankees-beat-cubs-32nd-straight-winning-season/ Obviously the Yankees own the longest streak in north american pro sports having had 39 straight from 1926 thru 1964. The Montreal Canadiens had owned the second longest streak at 32 from the 50's thru the 80's but now these Yanks have tied them. The next longest current streak of winning seasons in MLB belongs to the Dodgers who clinched their 14th recently. After that, the Braves with just 7.

Yeah, that's my bad. I guess I just can't wrap my head around why you think you are an outlier in thinking that Shakir can be a good starting receiver. I could understand better if you were predicting year 3 Shakir was going to replicate A-R St. Brown's year 3 stats. That would be extraordinary. 900? Not so much. There is still a big difference between 900 and 1100 yards.......that's two different tiers of receiver. It's like the difference between 9 wins and 11 wins. To paraphrase Parcells......."it's easy to get to 9 wins.......11-12 is an entirely different matter". Gabe Davis peaked at 55.7 yards per game in 2022. They really needed him to get to 65+ as the second option to keep pace with what they had done by committee in 2021-2022. 55 yards is not that high of a bar but you have been acting like it would be surreal and you were the only one who saw it coming. I mean, he was one of the most hyped 5th round picks I've ever seen. Even Beane took a victory lap saying that other GM's were calling to congratulate him for getting a good player they coveted in the 5th. His strengths have been exactly what was lauded on draft day. No surprises. His projected weakness(playing outside) has been able to be worked around. And you can do that if the player isn't a primary option. Here is the draft thread, does it seem like fans were sleeping on him?:

The more normal result is that a great WR is great even if his QB(s) aren't very good. That happens. Does a great QB ever double the otherwise reasonably expected output of a WR to the extent of making him one of the top producers in the game? I don't think we've EVER seen that happen. The QUALITY of WR talent matters.

And like I said he hasn't really been utilized enough to EXPECT to have a reasonable comp yet.........but also if he becomes a star WR with those 29" T-Rex arms he will be the first of his kind.

Incorrect. A lot of comps have already been made for Shakir. From Beasley to Kupp. Foster, Davis and Burkett were true outside receivers. The point, obviously, being that Shakir had a crazy productive season on a very limited amount of targets. Foster had 44 targets in 2018 and Shakir had 45 in 2023. As we've learned periodically over the years, incredibly WR efficiency over a paltry amount of targets usually hasn't scaled up.

Yeah I think at one point you said between 800-1200 yards, correct? Which is a huge range in wide receiver production. That's the difference between 2023 Jamar Chase.....who may become the highest paid WR in the NFL soon...........or 2023 Jayden Reed/Jakoby Myers who were 50 yard per game guys. Which isn't being very specific, IMO. If he turns out to be Reed or Myers that's a pretty sizable jump from being a 600 yard bulk guy.....but certainly not star level jump. I think he will get to 900+ but it will take a lot of targets and could come down to whether they feel compelled to take him off the field for Coleman to try to get their raw 1st round pick some lighter lifting slot work.

Well, he was basically the 4th receiving target to the opposition most of last season. As with Gabe Davis in 2022......what he is capable of will be much clearer this year with the larger sample size and doing it as the #1 or #2 focus of the opposing pass defense. Shakir had 3 excellent games out of 17 last regular season. He averaged 104 yards in those games. His next 5 best dropped off precipitously to just 44.6 average. Then basically 9 games of nothing. Sample size is just too small to project into the role he is going into as WR1 for the 2nd best QB in the NFL. I doubt his incredible small-sample production drops off like it did for Robert Foster after he averaged a ridiculous 20 yards per catch in 2018. But we've also seen other WR's have great limited role seasons like Davis and Chris Burkett(who lead the NFL with 22.9 yards per reception on 34 grabs in 1986.......and then needed 56 catches to get almost the same bulk production in 1987).

I presume Shakir will lead the Bills in receiving yards.......I know people love Kincaid for that but an untested, elevated WR1 is generally the better bet than an unproven TE1..........but 13.5 yards per target on 100 targets? C'mon now. It was one thing doing that in limited exposure last year..........defense's aren't just going to let him roll up 80 yards per game and leave nickel and dime defenders on him. That would be a pretty crazy season if he did that with so little else around him. Aiyuk had a similar ypt last year but that was with Deebo, Kittle and McCaffrey also commanding attention.

"Let me know.........if you see a radio shack." -Ricky Pearsall

Is someone upset? And if so did they not explain why.......leaving you unsure? Is it really necessary to gaslight and straw man every topic or do some simple equations like this not really need ceremonial fan-shaming?

I can't think of any 1st who has washed out that quick and then PS'd their way back to a good career with their next team. But Rasul Douglas was a late 3rd rounder in 2017 and failed with Philly and Carolina before kicking around 4 practice squads in 2021 and breaking out late in that season with Green Bay. He might be the patron saint for this kind of thing.

QB's are still primarily judged by team success and you don't really get on the list of great one's until you've either won 1 or been to multiple.

....good to hear, we worry about you.

I know you probably presume Andreessen is player #53 because you were certain he wouldn't make the roster. You probably thought Florida State would beat Georgia Tech too.

I suspect he'd get a bit more rope if he went somewhere else

If they expose Leonard Taylor he will get claimed. 5 star who dogged it in college thinking he'd just get picked in round 1 on talent alone. Went undrafted. His game fits the pro's. Passed up $600K NIL deal to enter the draft. He didn't try to put it together at Miami. He was just playing not to get injured last season. Mailed it in. Gotta' keep a carrot in front of him.

Will they now release BOTH of Hilarius Toney and Skyy Moore?

Yeah it was known that he wasn't a good scheme fit but they thought they could fix that overnight. They drafted him expecting a day one starter. And they are trusting that same judgement with Keon Coleman now. But I digress........bottom line is with Benford's injury history and Rasul Douglas aging Elam could easily be starting pretty early in the season and totally change his narrative as a bust. Ingram is more instinctive but the room gets a lot less athletic without Elam and less likely to be able to matchup in man.

Bernard and Rousseau could be on it next year if they stay healthy. Contract time players tend to get noticed because agents tend to impact these lists. Also, Bernard's numbers last year were pretty crazy for a MLB, top 100 worthy for sure, just needs to do it again before he gets recognized.

Chiefs put up 9 yards per play on offense. The Bills played terribly on defense that day.

I think a thread title is supposed to ask if anyone else is losing interest in something.

No need to re-visit because you never had a point in the first place. I'm surprised @GunnerBill even dignified your narrative the way I often do. You have proven to be a bit of a slow learner but I still have faith that the light will come on for you at some point. You will join us on the realistic side of the force one day.

Ok then you are being ignorant. Is that better? Not separating wasn't what people "think". It wasn't just an opinion........it was charted in-season. Way before he ran the slow 40 at the combine. You are conflating what people "think" with his what his performance told us. People "thought" he caught a high % of contested passes. Again, the numbers said otherwise.

The draft process on WR's here on TSW was long and very involved. The data and tape on Coleman was pretty definitive.........he did not separate well in college. We knew this in November/December. He didn't enter the offseason draft process with the same trajectory he had in September/October. The narrative that he was great at contested catches was debunked slightly later in the process than the separation question. Perhaps that's what you are confused about.