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Yeah and that was a dumb plan. Crowder had struggled with injuries in 3 of the prior 4 years and had a huge drop-off in performance in 2021. They turned a key position over to a $2M flyer and Lil' Dummy was the insurance plan. The presumption that Gabe Davis was ready to assume the WR2 position without a backup plan was even more shortsighted. At least if they had some depth outside they could have played Diggs in the slot more.

Big addition by subtraction........dumb players kill you. Beane just really screwed it last offseason in how they addressed their WR situation.

There are a lot of players entering make-or-break seasons for the Bills...........and yet they were still one of the most dominant teams in the NFL last year. That and all of the players entering walk years with big money on the line are reasons to feel great about their chances.

Jones has a mostly plant based diet so he seems to be one of the players trying to stay ahead of the turk but he's not a great player.........he's just the same solid run plugger he was in TN and Carolina.......just older. You don't go out of your way to extend players like that. As @GunnerBill said, that would be a stupid financial decision. All but the greatest DL his age start playing on successively cheaper one year deals at age 32-33 like he'll be after this season.

Love it........can only help build the Bills fan base up in Toronto. But on this side of the bridges the bottom is how baseball fans see JA17 Even Giants and Jets fans want to point out that JA17 plays in NY. The reality is that he's a San Francisco Giants fan but he is a SB win away from being the most popular pro athlete in the northeast.

Terming the fanbase "mafia" was lame AF. The story that used to be sold to defend that phrasing was that Schefter complained that Bills fans were like a "mafia" and people ran with it sarcastically. Now, in hindsight, Del Reid now claims he just coined it out of thin air? Whatever. It's a nerdy name but it achieved something that was necessary IMO.........it gave the fan base an identity to build around. That was necessary because the product that was being put on the field by Ralph Wilson was lousy and there wasn't a commitment to winning from him. We had basically become the Chicago Cubs of football......long suffering.......but without the charm. Because the fan base couldn't figure out how to embrace the fandom itself being more important than the team and their results on the field. We were fractured and weak.......making us more vulnerable to the kind of treatment Ralph gave us. The reason the Bills and the NFL jumped on the Bills Mafia branding was because they didn't want Bills Mafia to continue to evolve and become it's own entity........separate from the team. If that mindset took off it could create something of a management/union dynamic between the NFL and it's fans that the NFL wants no part of. They've done a good job of creating the impression that every team is committed to winning and that helps the NFL print money as a collective. Outliers like Ralph in his later years threaten that dynamic with their obvious lack of concern for satisfying their fans.

The funny thing is.........GM John Elway did get held accountable for his lack of success in a string of drafts. AFTER he had built the Broncos first into an offensive juggernaut that carried the franchise to a SB.......and then did a complete 180 and turned them into a team that won a SB 2 years later with dominant defense. If those feats were accomplished in Buffalo, that GM could probably be mediocre for a decade and not get held accountable. It really surprised me how quickly Elway became a pariah in Denver. Standards are very high in bigger markets.

1986-1996 Kelly era. Just because lot's of my teams won championships and the Bills almost did. But the current one is very close and could easily surpass it. My teams might not be as good but the viewing quality on giant TV's in HD(including some 4K) and the availability and exchange of information is amazing and just what I'd hoped it would be.

I didn't say you were debating the rules changes you and others were totally ignoring them from the discussion......and instead using counting stats as the foundation of your argument. The year after those rules changes 7 QB's had top 25 all-time passing yardage seasons. It was not the kind of gradual change that took place between the 80's and then that you are poo-pooing it as. And specifically, in the case of Kelce, the changes also.....almost certainly.......lead to Patrick Mahomes choosing football over baseball and becoming the league's best QB and altering Kelce's career outlook drastically. Kelce was very good back in 2017.........a 1,000 yard receiver playing with a top 10 QB in Alex Smith throwing him the ball. But he wasn't nearly the weapon Mahomes has made him. When McDermott's Bills beat KC in Arrowhead in 2017 they took BOTH of Kelce and Hill right out of the game. They COMBINED for 80 yards that day. Kelce was running open that day too.......that's just the difference between a playoff caliber QB playing at his prime level and an all-time great at QB like Mahomes. Hopefully, Kincaid gets the same synergy with the also truly elite Josh Allen at QB.

What Is The Definition Of A Bust In Football? 1. A bust is a player who was drafted on the first day of the NFL draft and failed to meet expectations. A player who is labeled a bust is usually drafted in the first round of the NFL Draft. Like I said........he was CLEARLY a bust. What a player was briefly "capable" of 7-8 years ago doesn't matter a bit in that regard........it's what the player accomplished in the 5 year rookie deal. He had one productive season and injuries took him out. Injuries don't exempt you from bust status it's only about production. Now as for you calling Ray out as being "unfocused" I have no idea where you have come up with that analysis. His primary issue has been injuries. He couldn't stay on the field in the CFL either. I wish him luck but your vibe isn't based in reality it's coming from an imaginary place where he's able to stay healthy......7 years ago.

I thought that was the best spring football league season we've seen in a long time. Took a while for the offenses to get in sync but it was a pretty decent product.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37647296/de-shane-ray-nfl-2019-signs-bills He was a bust. Didn't show much juice in the CFL action I saw him in recently. Agree that it's a favor to Von and he probably ends up on PS but when it comes to rushing the passer sometimes old dogs can actually get better with age. I hope he finds a niche in the NFL in his 30's. Kid had a tough story growing up with his college football star father wanting nothing to do with him.

Personally, Gronk belongs in the All-time TE conversation in any era..........Kelce almost plays a different position altogether than those other guys. The 2010 rules changes really had their biggest impact on receiving in the middle of the field.........which is where TE's operate. Kelce has basically played his entire career with a different set of rules than guys like Gates and Gonzalez played well into the primes of their careers.

I think he revived it with the Raiders in 2021...........the Jaguars threw to him more so his counting stats went up with Jax in 2022 but he had the highest drop % in the NFL among regularly targeted WR at 10.7%. Worse than Gabe Davis (though Gabe was second worst). And that was Zay Jones' second season of 10% or more drops in the past 3 seasons. His drop problems are much worse than they were in Buffalo, actually. "Drop Zone" Jones lives!

Make Believes = pretenders.......again.

You repeat the same "nonsense" because you don't adapt. That's why you keep making the same mistakes wrt your rationale as well. As for the math.........why do you keep doing this to yourself? The Bills signed Von Miller to a 6 year $120M contract last offseason with $51M guaranteed. His first year cap hit was just $5M. Year 2? Only $7.9M. To say that the Bills couldn't have fit a young player under the cap who might actually play out a 6 year deal is.........what's the word I'm looking for? Well, let's just say it's clearly wrong.

I think Lamar getting hurt running and missing games is what Lamar is going to do most years. And Tua started 13 games and lead the AFC in passer rating.........that might be closer to a ceiling than a worst case scenario. Set aside the concussions the guy almost lost his career entirely to a serious hip injury and was constantly getting injured at Alabama too. He's a tough guy but talk about high mileage on a light frame. The Jets, you have a point at QB, but they had a best case scenario health wise on defense last year.........least injured defense in the entire NFL.......after being the 4th most injured defense(and terrible) the year before. They are due for a serious market correction. Typically defenses that make such amazing leaps in one season tend to "give it all back" the following year. It's a strange but real phenomenon in the NFL. Most recently with the Redskins. After they almost beat SB-victory bound Tom Brady with Tyler Heinecke at QB in the wildcard everyone assumed next year that D was going to be unreal going forward. Nope.

There are fluid, dynamic route runners like Stefon Diggs who can run about any route and win. Davis is a very different type of receiver. He's a big, relatively mechanical mover who wins with buildup speed and long strides. Factor in having a (chronically?) injured ankle/foot for 3 straight years now and you have a guy who is going to have a much more limited route tree to win with.

So 43 IS the mic?

Playing well paid players in garbage time late in the season and exposing them to unnecessary injury to earn incentives really doesn't impact negotiations with other players positively in free agency. I know fans think that things like not using franchise tags and other broadly "player friendly" stuff done at the expense of the organization builds your reputation as a team but they really don't. See the Marv Levy GM'ed Bills. Agents simply abused their hyper-accommodating approach and it got so out of control Aaron Schobel refused to play unless he could just fly in for games. There is a kindness/weakness dynamic at play. And really, players don't care all that much about other players money. You had a reasonable chance to make plays and didn't achieve incentives? That's a you problem. Every player worth signing thinks they are the exception in some regard. How they are treated day to day, the facilities, coaching and schemes......things like that matter a lot. Allowing an underachiever or meh player like Vernon Butler to reach a playing time incentive just to show you care about all your players money? Not a bit. The way to earn credits as an employer thru incentives? You build in those incentives........but then if they get close to them and they do it the right way all year and you really value them.........you just find a way to pay them the bonus one way or another. You don't make them come to work in "garbage time" to force them to reach a number. Re-inforcing the right kind of commitment and effort is what's important and valuable to the organization long term.

I thought DK Decaf was a good one for Shorter too........but the perceived negative one's are tricky on a fan site.

Much like with Edmunds last year........yeah, that's the plan for the fan base. Hope he has a big contract year and they get a comp pick for him and Shorter or someone else fills his role. The Bills reportedly want to keep Davis long term, though. And there is more smoke around that rumor than there ever was with Edmunds. They really had much more reason to extend Edmunds LAST offseason if they had any real conviction to retain him long term. His cap hit last year was large. Davis? He's dirt cheap. Best to let it play out. If he plays great and earns a Kirk+ kinda' deal......turn him into a comp pick. If he's just slightly better than last year and none of the huSh brothers......Shakir, Sherfield or Shorter show for sh!t........then offer him an MVS type deal.

Yeah he was a hot mess as WR2 last season. He just shouldn't be that guy for a SB team. If Kincaid can bring the juice they hope from the slot and Gabe's targets can be cut significantly he stands a much better chance of getting CB3 matchups and getting his efficiency numbers up while continuing to be a big play guy.

Yeah but that's said by them without context as well. They may also think that there are a lot of other receivers don't come down with a lot of passes thrown to them. There aren't. He was 5th in drop % among all WR.........but all 4 of those with worse drop % also had much better catch % on targeted balls than Gabe. He was definitely the least reliable of all regularly targeted WR in the entire NFL in terms of coming down with a catch. That's awful. Hopefully the combination of more 12 personnel with Dalton Kincaid and a free agent walk year creates a new level of focus for him and he expands his route running skills while fixing his mechanics at the catch point so he not only stops dropping the one's he has no excuse for dropping but also starts winning some contested throws the way his size advantage suggests he should.