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He's clearly WORTH more but the most important ability is availability...........and that applies to free agency as well. He wasn't available when teams had a lot more cap flexibility and weren't as committed to their plan/players than they are now. If he doesn't get paid more than OBJ then NFL agents should use this as a prime example of why you don't f*ck with the team that's paying you even if you want out. Their decision to wait until now to release him was pretty clearly punitive.

1. Dumb player 2. Stiff and awkward athlete with hard hands 3. Not accountable or self aware

Yeah and some observers act like the Bills should be sh!tting themselves with Dolphins and Jets franchises that have made the playoffs a combined twice in the past 12 years. The Bengals have 2 SB winning HC's and teams with long, long track records of success to contend with. And the Browns might be the one they struggle with the most. The Bills have some talent to contend with in the AFC East but your point about teams you can COUNT ON to win 10 games says it all...........the Dolphins have had just two 10 win seasons in the past 14 years. I'm just not going to concede success to them until they actually prove it. And the Jets? They were the healthiest defense in football last year. The year before they were banged up and terrible defensively. Same people crowning them thought Washington was going to be the defensive bully of the NFC for years to come a couple seasons ago. Saleh is a total meathead. I can't remember a HC who writes more checks he can't cash. Now he's proclaiming Breece Hall ready for the opener.........which means he will NOT be ready for the opener. And why even sell that? What a douche that guy is.

The Chiefs would have had their way with that Bills defense in the playoffs as well. Early season matchups don't mean much at all. Late in the season against Cinci the pass rush was gone with Von, Rousseau, Oliver, Jones and Phillips either out entirely or hampered by injury and the secondary went from compromised early in the season to being in shreds come January. That was not the same team that beat KC earlier in the season. The perception that Cinci is harder for the Bills to beat than KC is just "feels" that came from playing them in entirely different circumstances and Damar etc.. The Bills don't have some magic fix to stop Mahomes.........the Chiefs just haven't been playing with the same urgency early in the season as the Bills have. Yeah but before the hip and the concussions he had a bunch of knee and ankle injuries at Alabama as well. He's been injured a ton and I think some people just think it's about avoiding getting his bell rung again.

He had the best game of his best season.....his rookie season.......in Buffalo. So he probably made an impression on them that day. Looked like a real steal and I was wishing the Bills had gotten him at that point. They ended up getting a more reliable version of him in Gabe Davis the following year.

But you have to worry about your own division regardless. That's not relevant to the discussion point........which is what opponent you fear the most. Right now Jacksonville and KC look like the most likely 1-2 seeds due to the ease of their divisional matchups, if nothing else. But fwiw, I like the Bills chances against their divisional opponents. I think the AFC East has a chance to be something like the AFC West last year.......the dominant incumbent and a bunch of overhyped pretenders. Wouldn't surprise me at all if NE finishes second and has the best defense in the division. Saleh is a meathead and teams whose defense goes from worst to first have a remarkable tendency to have major regression the following season..........and Tuna is injury prone and already thru his second potential career ending crisis(the hip injury/surgery at Alabama was the first).

What we KNOW is that the Chiefs will win the AFC west with ease and be playing at home in the divisional round at worst. The Bengals, I don't know. The Bills didn't match up well with them with their secondary in tatters last season........but the Bengals division is shaping up as very strong. They tend to get the yips against Cleveland, who is also improved........play down to whatever Baltimore's level is.........and Pittsburgh traditionally owns them and is feeling confident and is also improved this year. I could see the Bengals ending up 10-7 and the Bills being able to avoid them altogether. So the Chiefs still top the list to me.

He had a very promising start to his career. Looked like a great UDFA get for Miami. Guy just couldn't stay healthy. I can't even see him being a camp invite, they probably just want to see what he looks like in the event of a rash of injuries. I suppose that he could be a depth option if they signed Hopkins and then traded Gabe Davis as some want to speculate.......because that's what he is, a big vertical receiver like Gabe. But I would be shocked if they got DHop and then traded the very cheap Gabe.

I don't think the current Andy Reid would hire a Juan Castillo as a defensive coordinator.

It's crazy how many people were delighted with the Bills WR corps at this time last season. There were people who were certain that Tavon Austin was going to make the team and have an impact. Speaking of people like that where is @eball these days?

Yeah Reid is a much more seasoned head coach and I think we've seen McBeane learning on the fly. When Reid was with Philly it wasn't as efficient of a process. Benefits of experience are evident.

Yeah and fwiw........while the name Elam is synonymous with football in Florida it is also that with inexplicably stupid behavior off the field at times. Abram and Matt were not the best guys outside the locker room. Fair or not, Kaiir isn't likely to get any slack on behavioral issues.

$10M is Marquez Valdes-Scantling money........who is basically the closest comp to what Gabe Davis is and was the past couple seasons in terms of play style and production(though MVS is much faster).

Injuries to Hyde, Poyer, Miller, Rousseau and Oliver changed how they could play defense late in the year. I presumed they just wanted the veteran zone CB in Dane Jackson opposite the returning but rusty Tre White. They had to blitz a lot more to get pressure and Hamlin was making a lot of mistakes in coverage compared to Hyde.

The Patriots might be that philosophically.........but they still don't have quite the investment the Bills have at DB. The Bills don't have a 4th round rookie contract like Jack Jones in their starting lineup. The Bills could have gone that way in a very deep 2022 draft of CB's and just picked a mid-rounder and plugged him in.........hell they could have just kept the pick they used to trade up for Elam and likely got a serviceable CB like NE or KC did.............but they chose instead to invest big.

I'd say Thornhill is officially out of the relevant range because his rookie contract ended and he wasn't renewed. Gotta' draw a line somewhere. So the Chiefs have a 1st and a 2nd and 1 big contract. The Bills have a 1st and 4 big contracts. That's 5 to 3. Is there really any doubt that they would have drafted more DB's early if they didn't have 4 of the 5 positions filled for the past 5 years? The minute they had a temporary hole at CB they drafted one in the first round. Are the Bills the most DB-centric team in football? I remember being pleased about the fact that the McDefense had a history of producing with lesser investments at CB2/CB3 and the safety positions in Carolina.........but in Buffalo they have spent big to fill out their secondary.

Excellent point. Being able to broadly adapt the defense to the opponent has been key for both KC and Cinci being able to advance in the playoffs despite otherwise inferior personnel to the Bills while the Bills D has looked like trash in their 4 playoff exits. The Bills larger issue has been not being better around Josh Allen on offense.........but the lack of flexibility on defense has undermined the massive investments they have made on that side of the ball.

The Bills? The Chiefs don't prioritize the secondary anywhere near as much as the Bills. People forget they let Mathieu AND Charvarius Ward walk last offseason. They have no money invested there to speak of and only the 1 high pick. The investments between the 2 teams are quite an extreme contrast.

Yeah I am pretty sure he's just trolling. I used to think Don Otreply was a play on a Dawn/Charmin P&G cross promo that washed your ass as you wipe........but it seem like he's a real person..........so admittedly I could be wrong about Bob Jones and he just has a propensity for upset about Josh Allen's personal life.

Doyle will be about 10 months past reconstructive knee surgery when camp opens...........I could see him being on IR to start the season like Boettger was last year.

Right........Houston wasn't going to trade Hopkins to Buffalo and he was a steal for Arizona. First team All Pro with a HOF trajectory. Diggs wasn't even in the same discussion as one of the top WR's in football at the time. He was WR2 in Minnesota. Diggs brought a lot more in return. A lot. That's all the context needed really. Beane was over a barrel. Minnesota was OK with not trading Diggs so Beane had to go big to get it done.

No I've always been a guy who wants weapons around their QB. My philosophy is that job #1 of any organization is to make their QB position look great. The poster you are talking about seems to have the long time Green Bay mentality of never needing to draft offensive weapons early because a franchise QB can elevate those around him. That is just bad strategy IMO. People mistakenly think the Chiefs didn't have much invested at receiving targets last season but they have always had multiple big $ targets or several guys with early round pedigree since Mahomes has entered the league. Talented weapons make a big difference, especially in the playoffs when every defense is playing like there is no tomorrow. Time and again that undermined Aaron Rodgers. The Bills seemed to be using the Green Bay model.......hopefully the Kincaid pick is a sign that they've learned that defense is the more inconsistent side of the ball regardless of how much you invest........so throwing all your big assets at that side of the ball is not good strategy.

Well the standard you have as a Chiefs fan is making Joe Thuney the highest paid guard in the NFL and then trading a 1st rounder for Orlando Brown and paying him franchise tag LT money for two years and then picking a center-only player in round 2. That was a MASSIVE investment of assets in the OL by any standard. The Bills already have the veteran anchors in Dawkins and Morse that the Chiefs didn't have but yeah the rest of the OL they are banking on improvement and hoping that at worst they will be serviceable at those positions. That's part of the cost of the investments they have in their secondary, IMO. 4 of the best at their positions in the NFL the past 3-4 years all under 2nd and 3rd contracts........and a first round pick in Elam. Personally I think they over-invested there but when they've been healthy in the secondary they've often looked like the best team in the NFL.

Yeah getting a veteran WR in Diggs was absolutely the NECESSARY move. It was necessary because they had blundered and not selected one of several stud WR prospects in the draft the year prior and they had too much at risk with Josh Allen in development to pass on a chance to get a veteran who was ready to elevate the game of Josh Allen immediately. We are accustomed to WR's fetching big hauls in trade now but at the time they ended up over-paying by the standards of the time to get Diggs because of that desperate need..........meanwhile Arizona got the at-the-time MUCH better Hopkins from Houston for a second round pick. It isn't totally unlike the current situation with the Bills interest in Hopkins. You can dream on your roster and fantasize about big improvements from players all you want in the offseason..........but when they take the field on opening day Gabe Davis likely is still your WR2 and there is no reason whatsoever to believe that he isn't still the same guy who wasn't up to the task in the past. None. 2020 offseason John Brown stood a better chance of being a WR1 in the coming season than Davis has of being the kind of WR2 that helps the Bills matchup with loaded WR corps like Cinci and Miami. They are no less desperate for a WR1A now than they were desperate for what Diggs gave them. I know the risks with Hopkins........he's older, he may be becoming injury prone and has a PED suspension risk hanging over him and will cost a pretty decent amount of money. It's concerning. But Diggs wasn't even a clear WR1 on his team in Minnesota and came with a $15M aav contract and bad rap as a teammate when they traded for him.......there were big risks there as well. And we knew that was a terrific WR class they were trading out of.......there was no question about the potential opportunity cost.........that the Vikings might get a better player. But the Bills need a WR2. They've proven that the last two regular seasons as their WR corps has declined. Hopefully that's Kincaid if Hopkins falls thru but I never presume rookies are going to be up to tasks that big. It's rare. The best WR prospects usually take until mid-season to acclimate to the pro game and then there are concerns about hitting the wall late.

Which supports 3 notions.........having a franchise QB can cover up for a ton of personnel mistakes(and JA17 might be the second best QB in football)......... the Belichick take that you have to be making bad moves all the time to be bad in the NFL because there are abundant chances to make up for said mistakes..........and the old axiom that it's better to be lucky than good. Bill Polian lucked into having the exclusive negotiating rights to Jim Kelly. He parlayed that Buffalo luck into taking two other jobs where he got a chance to draft a franchise QB very early in the draft. He hit on one of 2 and now.......largely due to fortune........ people look back on him like he was great. But he is also the dumbass that traded Marshall Faulk for a second round pick so he could pick another RB 4th overall..............and then watched Faulk become the best player in football the next few seasons while he struggled to build a championship caliber defense. Faulk went to 2 SB's and won one. Edge James aged out before the Colts won Polian's one career SB with Joseph Addai at RB. Polian also refused to trade draft picks to add talent to put those SB Bills teams over the top.........to this day it's still inexplicable to me that he wasn't in on Charles Haley. It was exasperating in real time. The Niners traded him to their biggest traditional rival, which illustrates how desperate they were to move him.