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My initial impression is that Minnesota might have had the best UDFA haul so far. Their organization gets great marks with players in almost all aspects so gotta' believe that plays a big role in their recruiting.

It's been a bit like college recruiting too. Sometimes they have handshake deals with a player and then he backs out and signs elsewhere. Until you get them on the dotted line they can change course and not even tell you. So they likely just don't want egg on their face even though they know the times have changed and people demand that info now.

I don't think it would even cost a 5th for Murray. He's really fallen out of favor in LA. That was one of those head scratcher 1st round picks that had that 1990's Buffalo Bills draft feel that used to turn me off to watching John Butler draft. And I agree that he'd be a fine option for Buffalo for low compensation. His cap hit is $1.7M so he's right in Beane's alley price-wise. But as you mentioned earlier.......Spector was intriguing in his limited preseason opportunity. Guy seems instinctive for the position.

Yeah the UDFA thread is one you gotta' be vigilant about if you start it or the board will get angry with you. I think @MAJBobby has been doing it in recent years because we had issues with people wanting to start the thread but then vanishing. It will be 3-4 days before all the UDFA's are sorted out.

Agree. But those are the numbers now. There may be injuries or Edwards or Boettger might not bounce back from past injuries........a lot can change. I think they still need a swing tackle to add to that mix. There aren't any LT options in that group unless one considers Bates or Brown that guy. Quessenberry was the worst pass blocking RT in NFL his last year in TN so don't want him starting games at LT under any circumstance. Richard Gouraige may even have a realistic shot to make the roster.

Absolutely correct. However: 1. That doesn't make the Lions decision any better. 2. TE is a position that has mattered a great deal for many SB winning teams over that period. RB is not. Regardless of where they were drafted. 6 of the last 9 SB winners have featured a HOF level starting TE. And that doesn't count Zach Ertz.......who was a star for the Philadelphia team that beat NE and in the middle of a 5 year stretch where he averaged 86 receptions per season.

And he was a good value as a 5th round type(where I took him in the Matt Miller 7 round draft thread). There are years where the positional depth isn't good at guard where he could have been a top 100 pick. Beane seemed to indicate that he just stuck out as the best player.........which is how the draft should be treated. Needs change fast. You pass on a guy with starting potential late in the draft one year and you may find yourself reaching for one early the next year.

You lost it at "I still like what the Lions did". There hasn't been a 1st round selected RB that has lived up to the hype for the team that drafted him since Adrian Peterson in 2007.

Have you seen him? He is built for wind confusion.

There isn't a lot of video of him from what I saw but yeah he doesn't look very fast in the little bit of it. Not 4.38 likely. There are a few of these traits WR's with stories of interest. Shavers wasn't one of the plethora of 5 stars in this draft but he was a big time recruit with rare size. Back in 2017 that is. The Bills got another one with Jalen Wayne part of the Reggie Wayne family. I was hoping for Shedrick Jackson........nephew of Bo. He signed with Cinci. All of these guys will probably be playing spring football in a couple years but it adds interest to the preseason etc..

He's better than Bobby Hart. But I doubt he moves better. Hart has played a lot of tackle in the NFL and keeps getting jobs because he's a good athlete for his size. He was one of the top tackle recruits in the country entering Florida State. 5 star I believe. Just hasn't materialized but it's not that he's incapable of moving like an NFL guard. Torrence is reportedly very good at technical aspects of the game and smart which allows him to be quick to identify blitzes and stunts.

They traded a franchise QB who then guided the other team to a SB for the right to have a ton of extra draft capital. And came out of it with a RB and a MLB in round 1? When they have holes at many premium positions. Their running game was fine. People who think Hendon Hooker is going to be a franchise QB also probably thought Mason Rudolph was too. Yeah it was a poor use of draft capital.

Oh so you weren't confused by his throwback facial features? Be honest.

Beane magic 2019 round 2

Then it's official.......the runnin' back well is dry.

I wasn't too encouraged by Edwards' introduction to the WNY media. Had a real "I probably couldn't play today" vibe. I have no expectations there. I wouldn't be averse to selecting Ekiyor as well if available. Liked him too.

I actually presume Edwards is done with the concussions. I have zero faith in Beane's flyers. McGovern contract they can get out of after next year. Only thing I have less faith in than his flyers are his surprise healthy UFA signings. The runway is probably about done on Ike Boettger too. I saw guard as more of a need in this draft and there was more depth there than some years so never really considered they would add less than two interior OL.

More in the line of versatile OL. A once highly regarded OT prospect early in his career who projects to the NFL as a guard. Similar to a Ryan Bates versatility.

For perspective......probably 7-8 of the first 10 picks this year would have gone ahead of last years top 10 had they been coming out........a draft which wasn't as criticized as this group. There are a few like Harrison and Bowers who are locks but not as many as this years group. Caleb Williams is wildly overrated by people who think he's so much better than this years QB prospects.

In fairness.........this was said last year as well. A lot of big measurable having, high recruit pedigree players figured to be available and they just didn't pan out and produce up to expectations last season.

It's good that we have a few bored people like yourself who chime in with criticisms of your fellow fans despite no interest in the draft yourself.

As noted earlier, JBC was the victim of that long bomb to Shorter versus LSU. Considering the huge cushion and JBC's 4.4 speed it gives a nice perspective on how Shorter can run by a player on a long route who is certainly quicker in a shorter space.

Yeah he really ate up Jarrick Bernard-Converse on that play. JBC is a draftable talent.

Bills make wholesale rotations on the DL. Everybody has to be an every down player.

The more the mouth-breathers boo him.........the more recognizable and important he is. The boo'ing just makes him a bigger part of the game and gets him more camera time etc.. Funny that the idiots still think expressing their public dislike of him is going to have any negative effect on him or the league whatsoever.