CodeMonkey

Soooooo if the Bills didn't know the Lions FG kicker sucked ass the D would not have tried to stop them??? Look, the D *always* tries to stop the opponents O. In order of success: Take away Punt FG TD Your statement makes as little sense as my first line. Any team is lucky when an opponents FG kicker goes 0 - 3 particularly when none were particularly long. That's simply a fact. And that's why teams want kickers like Carpenter instead of the Lions soon-to-be-unemployed kicker.

The Bills have sufficient speed and skill at WR now to get down field and get some separation, there is no way a LB is going to be able to consistently cover Spiller on the underneath patterns, and Spiller is far less than useless when he is kept in to block so what you say makes perfect sense. Manuel was not effective getting the ball down field so that wasn't much of an option before. Maybe we will start seeing that now with Orton.

And it would have been good from 65, what a freaking kick.

So many high points that have already been mentioned. The only consistent negative for me was Spiller. His running was anemic, and the way he completely whiffed on a block that any competent RB would have made that almost cost the Bills a safety was inexcusable. He was a major liability the entire game. And I will also echo the sentiments of some that it was really nice seeing a Bills QB make passes like Orton was in the 2nd half!

FredEx up the middle.

Or King Rogers office.

That's how it worked with Roethlisberger.

Bills and Texans in a west coast bar. I would have been shocked if it was on even one TV.

24-13 Lions

Nate Silvers ELo rating system has the Bills 3rd (ahead of the Jets) in the AFC East.

yes/no

I was watching MNF I think and the talking heads were laughing that the Bills were in first place in the AFC East and made a voluntary QB change for performance reasons. Not so much laughing at the Bills as laughing at the AFCE.

CBS with Detroit a 7.5 point favorite: 5 taking the Lions and 3 taking the Bills. CBS straight up: All 8 and the computer taking the Lions. ESPN straight up: All 14 including the computer taking the Lions. Nate Silvers ELo rating system has the Lions winning with the ELo spread at Lions -5.5.

Well, at least from Manuel.

To quote Bluto from Animal House ... "I suggest you start drinking heavily".

25-of-37 for 268 yards, one touchdown, two interceptions and a 75.1 rating was the better performance. Ohhhhh baby.

No matter what, there will be no "Orton Era". If the Bills put Orton in with Manuel healthy it is no more than admitting Manuel is a bust and trying to save their coaching/GM futures by stealing a couple more wins that they would with Manuel. They would already be looking for their next starting QB, if they aren't already.

OK everyone has to do what they said ... except for Yolo (and anyone else who pledged anything physically damaging or fatal)

100% correct. This season, for better or for worse, is about seeing if Manuel can be a capable starter in the NFL. They NEED to find that out to determine a path forward, i.e. do they need to make QB their primary focus this off season or not. Right now, and particularly after that pathetic performance by Manuel yesterday, it is easy to let your heart make the decision to start Orton. But that resolves nothing other than appeasing some homer fans bloodlust. They HAVE to find out. And after only 4 games this season they do not know yet. So untie your panties and unclench your ass cheeks everyone, grow a pair and ride it out. And make no mistake, it is going to be a bumpy and probably ugly ride.

Agreed. Also I think the NFL could take a page out of the soccer book. If for example there is a 5 yard defensive penalty but the offense makes 10 yards on the play anyway, don't bother stopping the flow of the game (and the clock) to announce that the offense is declining the penalty. Just pick up the flag and keep the game moving. There are several common sense things that could be done to keep the game moving. But as to too many penalties, the answer can't be having the refs not call penalties. That would only lead to more threads like this complaining about ref bias. The rules should be changed in ways to not make NFL gameplay so anal that it has to stop every couple of minutes because an offensive lineman moved from farting.

I know! And did you see the sun??? It was ALWAYS is the Bills eyes and NEVER in the Bolts players eyes! WTF???

Yeah me too. Using that 62 point ELo diff is what I used to get the 59% chance of winning. I was sold on him after the last pres election and even more after reading his book. He at least attempts to quantify things instead of most "analysts" who tend to go on gut feel and/or pulling things out of their ass.

Silvers ELo ranking system has the game as pick'em. 59% chance of Bills winning if my math is correct in the first post.

At a hotel bar in Cali one time they had "Buffalo Wings" so I ordered some. They were made with teriyaki sauce. Interesting, but not wings

He is right now, in my opinion. Smarter and tougher. Manuel has the stronger arm but isn't any more accurate. The plus for Manuel at the moment is that Fitz is what he is, with Manuel at least there is still the possibility that he will improve. Perhaps even greatly.