Alphadawg7

Because I don't care to invest time to look into something that has almost no chance of happening.

Poll is easy, top of starting new post there is a tab to add a poll 0% chance that is happening. Beane literally said he had planned on picking at 32 until Carolina called last minute. So there are guys he likes here and he specifically stated the importance on getting more picks in the first 95 picks as critical to this draft. He isn't gutting all our picks for next year. 0% chance he had to get the Pegulas blessing to move back 4 spots and then 1 spot. That is his job, he isn't on the hot seat, he has the one of the best track records in the NFL since his hiring in the draft. Pegulas are not meddling or signing off on minor routine moves like that. What gives you that idea? Because we moved back 5 spaces in a very deep draft to get a valuable 3rd round pick back we didn't have and added much more value later too? No disrespect, but its like someone of you think the NFL draft is a 1 round thing or bust. 2nd and 3rd round picks are very valuable and its how you build rosters. Moving back 5 picks changed nothing on who we will draft and we added great value to our draft arsenal.

Not what it says above...says it jumps his cap hit by $16M. I didn't look into it, just trusting what I am reading in this thread.

Wow, that is quite the over exaggeration there. He is a nice weapon, especially after the catch. But he is not a great deep ball WR, he doesn't have the best hands, and Brandon Aiyuk is by far the better actual WR on that team. Deebo makes up for what he lacks as a pure WR in his YAC and his versatility as a runner. He also has injury issues. But the issue is that we have Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid who are all going to attack from the slot and the short to medium areas of the field. That is Deebo's sweet spot, so I don't know he is such a great fit for us. We need a true boundary WR who can attack all 3 phases of the field more than another short area attack weapon.

How on Earth is this nonsense 10 pages already? LMAO Guess y'all didn't learn your lesson in yesterday's like 80 pager on how we are gonna make a big move up in the draft nonsense lol. Diggs trade only increased his cap hit $3M...thats a BIG difference in the $16M it jumps SF cap hit.

Once again, a 5th rounder has value beyond one season. So saying DHop is better in the one season doesn't compare the value of the two players to the team overall. And no disrespect, but adding DHop, or any other aging veteran, on a 1 year rental doesn't at all keep this from being a transitional year with all the changes we are going through not only in the WR room, but across the roster. Im fine getting a vet in here, but we have $31M in dead cap at WR this year. We don't need to spend another $15M and draft picks on a one year aging vet rental. Spend the draft pick on a young WR in this deep WR class who won't cost us much of anything cap wise in comparison.

Mark Andrews is not the player he once was and I would take our guys, especially Kincaid, over theirs. Flowers is not that impressive and more of a complimentary WR than a lead WR.

You left a couple OL guys off there who could be in play as well. For me...if we make this pick, I would be pretty stoked about any of these 4 players: DeJean, Mitchell, or McConkey. I would be happy with Franklin too but I do think with the talent on the board here, we might be able to move back another small move and still get him where as I think DeJean, Mitchell, and McConkey come off the board before Franklin does here near the top of the round. If I had to make guess on who they will pick...I think its either Cooper (who they probably didn't expect to be there) and Franklin (who they showed a LOT of interest in leading up to draft). Beane said he was planning to pick at 32 until Carolina called. So we know there is someone they want here and willing to take. But he did say he already got several calls for this pick and expected more today, so will just depend on what types of moves come in. He definitely doesn't seem willing to move very far from here though if we do trade back as he those options at 28 and turned them down. Then again, if someone makes him a generous offer anything is possible.

You know value to the team extends past 1 year right? What I said was that the young player has more value unless you see that DHop is the missing piece this year to get over the hump. And I don't think anyone looks at us right now and says "if they only had that 1 old vet WR they would be the SB favorites this year" except for maybe some people on here. And there is no way to know how much DHop can or can't help this team until we see just how well the changes are key starting spots on both sides of the ball pan out in what is a semi-transitional year. So yes, I think in a WR draft class this deep that a 4th round WR very much could have more value to this team than just wasting cap space and a draft pick on DHop. Shakir was a 5th round pick. What if we had not drafted Shakir and instead used that pick on an aging 1 year rental of a vet WR instead? You think that would have changed anything against the Bengals where we got embarrassed and dominated in the trenches, where Bengals were more physical and Dorsey got his a** handed to him from a coaching stand point? Where is the guy who was screaming at everyone here because we didn't sign Julio Jones that year lol? I will take Shakir over any 1 year aging vet rental that would have made absolutely no difference in the finality of our season that year. And that is not even a close decision what so ever. The obsession this board has with aging names they now is crazy to me. DHop last year coming in and elevating what was seen as a Championship roster made some sense. But right now, in a loaded WR draft class and with a transitional change across the roster, give me the rookie over the aging 1 year vet all day long.

And the Bills were supposedly frantically trying to make a big trade up in the draft, even more "heaven and earth" to do so just to find out Beane never made one call to make a big trade up nor did anyone call him. So call me skeptical...

We literally have the best TE room in the NFL with Kincaid and Knox. And sorry, there is no way Balt has a better group than us. And you are posting this BEFORE the Bills address the WR position too.

I could see the possibility of a vet...but no idea why Bears would move DJ Moore, that isn't happening nor should it. Godwin doesn't make a lot of sense for our WR room right now and has had injury issues. DHop maybe, but depends on what it would take. I mean would we want a 1 year rental on DHop over say taking another WR with the pick we would use to take him? I would think the lower cost and youth would be more attractive than 1 year of DHop at this point unless DHop was gonna for sure get us over the hump. With DK, I am not sure what his contract situation is or what it would take to get him away from Seattle. But I am not even sure he is really available either. But I do agree with your premise that a less costly vet is a potential option.

I would curb your expectations...Beane made it pretty clear this isn't a move he thinks we need like we did when we traded for Diggs. I think this is less likely than the thought we would trade a bounty to move up in the draft. Nothing is off the table or impossible, just saying, this was always unlikely based on everything Beane has said, our cap situation, etc. And then the 3 WR contracts to the 2 Eagles WR and St. Brown happened making this even more unlikely as the price on these guys contracts will be even higher now. So just wouldn't get your hopes up even though I wouldn't 100% rule it out either as you never know, just very unlikely.

Reaching for need is a poor way to manage a draft. Take the talent. If the talent is the WR, take him. If the talent is DeJean, Newton, JPJ, etc then take the talent or move back and let someone else take talent and still get your WR. There are a lot of WR's here still for us, and ones I had graded higher than 3 of the WR's that already came off the board. That is how I would handle it and its what I suspect Beane will do too.

Unless we trade back again, I think there is very little chance both our picks in round 2 are WRs. BPA at 33 likely isn’t even a WR between DeJean, JPJ, Newton, and some others still on the board. Doesn’t mean we won’t take one at 33, I’m just highly doubtful we use both on a WR when they can still get a promising WR in rounds 3 and 4 if they want to double dip.

I agree it will put pressure on Beane if Worthy works. But not because it should, because the media and public don’t understand the reality of this trade and how little difference it made, if any, in KC getting help at WR and likely getting the same player even.

Nice work on this and it’s what I thought coming in after Beanes presser a week ago where I wrote it was more likely we trade back at 28. I think Beane is a great spot here to trade down again if he gets an offer he feels good about, so it will be interesting to see if he stays put or adds more ammo this year or next. Picking here has lots of options for Beane too outside WR. So if he doesnt go WR I gotta think he’s gonna use some of those remaining 10 picks to aggressively move up for someone like Franklin, Mitchell, McConkey, etc.

Bills did NOT trade back with the notion there was only one guy they wanted. You don’t go back 4 spots if there is a risk of losing the one guy you want in this range. So sorry, but this thread is a waste of time.

I actually think there is a solid chance Hyde comes back for one more season once Tre’s money is off the books. Beane has even alluded to this as has Hyde where it seems to be coming down to Hyde and his medical risks he’s getting opinions on.

But we didn’t “help” KC. We reduced their drafting power and took away a pick they need as they have a lot of other holes so they can get a WR who wasn’t even the scariest option for them with at least 5 other WRs they could have taken 4 picks later, including likely the one they drafted. And in doing so, we helped us with more draft ammo to try and improve our team to get past them. This notion we helped them is just not accurate in this specific trade scenario IMHO. And it should be your opinion too given you don’t think Worthy was the best choice and they lost a 3rd in taking him.

I mean it’s possible, but I honestly don’t, from what I hear is that they loved Pearsall. Worthy does not at all fit Lynch style of player. I kept telling people after the combine not to sleep on Pearsall, he had one of the best combines of any WR. He is much more the type of player SF looks for compared to Worthy.

Legette is your 4th WR on your board. My criticism is he has a lot to work on to succeed as a WR1 at next level and felt better taking him round 2. However, even I would say Legette in KC is a LOT scarier than Worthy who is no where near the same type of player Hill is as people are making it out to be. If there was a place that I felt Legette could reach his potential it’s KC. And him at his potential is a nightmare scenario. So if KC misses on Worthy what’s stopping them from taking someone way scarier in Legette? And man, do I feel bad for Legette. Carolina was a terrible spot for him and I think it decreases his chances of reaching his potential. But him in KC would have been worse than Worthy by a lot IMHO. And quite frankly so would have McConkey, Mitchell and Franklin.

I get that, but each trade is in a vacuum with individual circumstances. And in this case, the correct move was to strip KC of a 3rd as there was nothing Bills could to keep KC from getting a top WR prospect with top end speed and more than likely they still get the same player anyway. If Bills were picking 12th and we gave KC a shot at an elite prospect that was head and shoulders above the other ones on the board, then yes, don’t do that trade. But in this case, taking away their 3rd was a win for us in every way you can analyze the trade.

Yeah, there are several that would at least compete to start year 1. And if they wanted to lean on the Vets more and let one of them learn they at least bring much needed depth as we have no one behind those 2 that would be good options if one went down.

Safety has been a vital part of McDs defense. So while we do have 2 guys who could start, they are making anyone shake in their boots either and are a downgrade to what we had for the past 6 years.