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I doubt we lose because of a game winning FG opportunity from Prater. He may miss a kick here and there but he’s usually clutch when the games on the line throughout his career

Well, I didn't say the number of sacks is meaningless. I said he doesn't take nearly as many if he was a non mobile QB behind that line. Pretty simple. The logic of mentioning sacks (and pressures) is to point out that the O-line, as far as how it protects Josh Allen this year, is both subjectively and objectively worse based on end results. I guess Allen is just squandering this top notch protection with poor QB play, no?

And we are better at home.

my autocorrect tries to make it burrows every time for some reason 😂

Gotta misspell his name. Nothing gets his fanboys more upset than that Joe Burrough. Joe Burrows. Joe Borrow. The famed QB from Ole Miss.

it’s a grass is greener thing…most bengals fans think he’s a bottom third coach or worse. I actually saw a few bengals fans that said ‘fire Taylor and hire Joe Brady’ which is about as strong evidence gets for the ‘grass is greener’ theory 😂

Doubt the Bills would let him; he’s a dead man walking, or sitting actually.

I completely understand how Slay would pick the warmer weather in Philadelphia over Buffalo The guy should sell used cars and give up football..

Honestly, at this point I really have to applaud the consistency, not in your logic, but in your commitment to avoiding it. We’ve now gone from: “Number of sacks doesn’t mean anything about the O-line.” to “Allen has more sacks this year, so the O-line must be bad.” …all while completely sidestepping pass block win rate, which has now been brought up twice and somehow keeps getting ignored like it’s in witness protection. Just to remind you: PBWR specifically removes QB mobility, escape ability, scramble rate, extended plays, and all the things you keep trying to blame for last year’s excellent pass protection numbers. It measures only whether the lineman holds his block for 2.5 seconds. That’s it. None of the other noise factors in. But since PBWR is apparently off-limits in this conversation, let me add one more inconvenient piece of objective data you’ll probably pretend not to see. I’m linking a composite chart that averages three independent analytics sources, PFF, ESPN, and SIS. This isn’t one metric. It’s three combined. Guess where the Bills land? Top right quadrant. Which, in case the axes are tricky: • higher pass protection efficiency • better EPA per dropback • better overall performance Basically: “this O-line is good.” But I’m sure when you see it, we’ll get Installment #3 of the ongoing saga “Metrics Don’t Count Unless They Agree With Me.” Because we’ve already watched you redefine the meaning of sacks twice in the same thread, first they were meaningless, now they’re definitive proof, and the only consistent thing so far has been your determination to ignore anything measurable when it contradicts your conclusion. That’s not analysis. That’s stubborn narrative maintenance. Look, you’re absolutely entitled to your opinion. If you feel the O-line is bad, nobody can stop you. But pretending the data is on your side while actively avoiding the data? That’s a different conversation entirely. Anyway, take a look at the chart or enjoy selectively ignoring it.

He's beaten McD last couple times and the home playoff loss left a mark, for sure.

Bills 6 Bengals 5

Do we even carry 5 LBs who can walk?

I don’t think they will. As someone pointed out, Boldin actually signed with us, retired, then subsequently asked Beane/Bills to release him so he could sign with another team. Beane said Nope! Hopefully he does the same in this situation.

Throw in "Zat you, Santa Claus??" and you have the trifecta of annoying Christmas songs!!

I still think the Bills were the better team and should have won the game but that Giants team was really good and I think sometimes that gets lost in the mix because they upset San Fran and won the game on a missed kick. If anything that Giants team is probably underrated in the annals of NFL history

Clearly. And I would put forth that yours is rooted in math and highlight reels while mine is simply based on actual football. You are free to rely on yours to advance your agenda and I am free to rely on mine to discuss what actually happened. 🤷‍♂️

you would never have to suffer through "Big Game Dak" threads....or many playoff games.

kind of a morbid "win-win" situation for the Bills. If they win, they are almost a virtual lock to make the playoffs, If they lose there is a good chance they don't make it to the playoffs which will force a reassessment of the makeup of this team, the coaching and the general management (aka Beane); could be what they really need rather than surrounding Allen with less than B capable players. close one but the Bengals get a two-score lead in the first half and simply run the Bills D to death in the second half. Pussycats 27 Bills 23

Have fun guys as I’m not running through this again after 34 years, the six days before I moved her to tampa for that SB, and suffered through that loss across the street at the Tampa Mall with a movie screen and radio station vans. There were by game time 11-14,000 fans across from the Sombrero. Enjoy the debate. If you feel we should at time be a cover defense, not attacking, no argument, including tomorrow. We should win.

Exactly. Why hypothesize otherwise? The results are that, after 12 games, Allen has already been sacked twice as many times as last season and will easily ecclipse his # of scrambles (already at 38 compared to 42 last season) and pressure %

Interesting to me that people on this board hold Zack Taylor in higher regard than McD....

If you think that's dominating a football game from a defensive end, then we have an extremely different definition of what the word, "dominating" means.

Bottom line Coleman isnt nearly as fast or football athletic as Moulds. I dont care Coleman played basketball, he just isnt asgood a player.

I have some unique items, like a kitchen apron worn by Rob Johnson at a pre-season Bills charity event at the stadium.

OH THE HUMANITY