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Yeah I agree that unless change happens at the top not much can change below. This team needs talent. OC: somebody from the outer branches of the SF Shanahan tree. But not McDaniels. DC: someone from outside the building. A Spags disciple could work.

I'm sad about Coleman, excited to see Gabe & Hardman, nervous that it's too much change too fast, angry that we even got to this point, and happy that Allen is still our QB. So - sad, excited, nervous, angry & happy. The life of a Bills fan, eh? How about it?

Shavers has a chance to be McDermott’s special team pet for a few years.

Believe when I see it. But I think it's a good move if it happens.

Trouble. People are tired of corruption everywhere.

Aside from being an elite team that’s struggling a bit at mid season I don’t see any other similarities at all.

Are you the BNews or something?

I GUESS I’ll let it slide…

I agree with this. Palmer will likely stay. I have a hunch Coleman is traded. I don't think Gabe will be back. That leaves Shavers as I don't consider Moore or Samuel outside WRs. Shavers is the Mendoza Line. He's been in the system for a while and is well liked. He's the one that if he makes the team next year, Beane didn't do enough to improve the boundary. Hopefully, he does and Shavers is back to the PS

/thread If forced to choose....Mike McDaniel as OC & Rex Ryan as DC.

But he was at the incident!! I think we all know who the phony is. Joe Brady.

Dude, don’t slander Dion Dawkins like that!

The shopping mall industry is just about as dead as William McKinley so no cause for concern at this point.

Steve Smith is right. This was a terrible pick.

I like Torrence a lot He's not a top 10 guard in the NFL.. but he's going to get paid like it So are you going to give him 5 years 98 million dollars? Because that's what he's going to get and he's not worth that He is solid he's not Zach Martin... Or even Ruben Brown He's not at a pro bowl level yet.. Robert hunt contract is a mistake... He's not a top 10 guard so he's solid but not worth what he's going to command A pure guard pick in the second round in the modern NFL should be good.. you should get rid of all your scouts if they take a pure guard and he's terrible in round two if you can't play center or tackle.. so you're strictly a guard prospect with a second round grade you should be an NFL starter that's the baseline But he's going to get paid like a perennial pro bowler or All pro and bills can't pay that

See, this is why doing what you’ve done is just attention seeking. Putting out little clues but not making any sense - just STFU in the first place. Lol

O’Cyrus Torrence was a very good 2nd round pick but I do agree with your general sentiment

Howie Roseman has had some noticeable misses. But he has had way more hits. Like real hits that are All Pros and make them a SB contender. For Beane, his "successful" picks (sans Allen & Cook) are not game altering players. And when multiple picks are successful on the field, but mostly injured, I hold that against Beane.

They reported on the incident but didn’t identify the “other” player who was present. That’s as far as I’ll go.

If Gabe stays healthy I think he probably sticks. There won't be any demand for him this time so should come cheap. Gabe Palmer Shakir and Shavers as either PS or WR6 again. So yea, we'll need two new WRs including a WR1.

Why would they report on someone’s personality being sincere or not? National Enquirer - does that still exist?

Oh man, I wish I knew that information before I put $5000 on Tampa without telling my wife 😬😬😬

Yeah i’ve commented on WR threads and a couple times totally forgot about Palmer😆. It’s easy to forget some of these guys.

Two huge mistakes in one draft. First, scouting this guy and thinking he was going to be a good receiver. Second, you give your biggest rival a better receiver on a silver platter.

Oops....thinking of Outside Receivers....Shakir is set in the slot.