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Well most of those were probably Kamala followers or those that were Bidenites so it kind of makes sense but don't forget Roundy counts as 2+ just because his BS is deeper than many others !!! 😜 Say it ain't so ! A leftist supporter that may have inflicted harm to another person all because he has TDS ?Now that's kind of hard to believe with all of those "peaceful protestors" from a few years ago isn't it ??

WOW the similarities between BT & Roundy are absolutely amazingly similar aren't they ?? 🤔 Coincidence ?? HMMMM ...

Yeah, I wasn't saying the defense was good last year and of course that will affect the offense. My point was that 4 of the 7 "average" QBs that I pointed out from last year didn't really have better defenses. So if we swapped them onto the Bills team, the defense wouldn't necessarily be a detriment to say how many wins they had with their respective teams last year. Plus, I was kind of looking at 2025, rather than 2024. I think the defense will be much improved from last year with all of the new additions. I assumed the question was if Josh were out this coming year, not last year. But, do you really think that this is a 4-win team if you put Stafford or Stroud on the 2025 team? I think they would at least be in the hunt for a playoff spot. Do you really think with a Stafford, Stroud, Hurts, Daniels, Cousins-type QB at the helm this team couldn't score 21 points/game? The average points per game for NFL teams last year was 22.8. Only 9 teams scored less than 20 points per game last year. Their QBs were: Will Levis, Mason Rudolph, Trevor Lawrence, Mac Jones, Derek Carr, Spencer Rattler, Jake Haerner, Caleb Williams, Gardner Minshew, Aidan O'Connell, Drake Made, Jacoby Brisett, Daniel Jones, Tommy Devito, Drew Lock, Deshaun Watson, Jameis Winston, Dorian Thompson-Robinson, Billy Zappe, Desmond Ritter, and Aaron Rodgers. That is not average QB play for the most part (giving a pass for Caleb Williams and Drake Make being rookies). Also note, that is 21 QBs that played for those 9 teams last year, so there was no stability at the position for those teams (except for the Jets and Bears). For the Bills to fall to a team that can't score 20/21 points, at least based on last year, we would need bad QBs rotating in and out. The OP's original question was with average QB play. And do you really think the Bills have/had a less-talented roster than the Jets, Saints, Jaguars, Titans, Bears, Raiders, Patriots, Giants, and Browns? As to Trubisky, yeah, I'm not confident that he could give us consistent, average QB play for a whole season either. But then again that changes the OP's original query. If Trubisky couldn't deliver average play, sure we are probably a 6-8 win team. If he did give us average play, or if we had one of the other average (not bad) QBs that I mentioned, then I say we are still a 9-10 win team fighting for the playoffs. With Josh we are a 12-14 win team. So, I would say, without Josh we lose 3-5 more games. The Bills falling to a 4-win team without Josh seems a bit ridiculous with one of the best O-lines, a top 10 RB room, above average TEs, and a decent WR room, plus an improved defense. It is almost saying that Josh wins 9-10 games a year without any help from his teammates. Yes, Josh is already an all-time great QB, but he is not doing it alone, despite the lack of other current All-Pros on the team.

Dangnebit!!! I read this whole thread. Now I have to stock up a the liquor store! It will take a whole lot of drinking to recover from all the bubble wrap!!!

All depends on who you have taking his place ! If you have Nathan Peterman then I'd say your not going to win more than maybe 4 or 5 games In a season but if you have say Fitz, Tyrod, heck even EJ, maybe 9+ in a season but a lot depends on the QB ...

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Let me start by saying that ALL these contracts are a bit insane !! I believe some of the lowest paid players mostly rookies get paid starting at some $840K per year to play a game & does nothing but go up from there IMHO that's a bit insane . With that being said it use to be that RB's were among the highest paid in the league and once again IMHO for good reason, every single time they get the ball they have some other dude looking to decapitate them or at the very lest lay a lick on them to knock the ball lose or they have to block a guy lets say 50Lbs heavier than them to protect their QB . SO I'd say they are pretty much justified in wanting more money & then if you put in what Cook did last year and maybe just the effort alone that he put forth on that goal line TD in the play off game I'd say he's proven hs worth to this team and should get paid !! There are very few plays that the RB's get to just take a play off but there are some players that may just run a route and never get touched for multiple plays like the WR's just to draw attention away from others yet they still get payed much more money and are believed to be more valuable to a teams success . And if you have a "Go To Guy" that you absolutely know no matter where you put the ball near him in any situation that he's going to come down with it 99% of the time then he deserves to get paid but so do the really good backs like Jimbo ... JMHO !!!

What? You do realize he is making 5+ this season?

Like the song, Awesome on the moment shared...

You can tell the Army Circlejerk Parade was a complete bust because this thread isn’t even about it anymore

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Doubtful. There would be purity tests to determine when the killing stops. People would need to radicalized to stay alive.

We need someone to punt to our returners because they will need the practice. Three downs and a punt for our opponents all year long!

https://www.nokings.org/ We’re inspired by the 3.5% principle: it only takes 3.5% of the population engaging in sustained, strategic protest against authoritarianism to achieve significant political change. Everything we do from here on out is grounded in three core commitments: staying in the fight, taking concrete action today, and investing in the long-term.We’re inspired by the 3.5% principle: it only takes 3.5% of the population engaging in sustained, strategic protest against authoritarianism to achieve significant political change. Everything we do from here on out is grounded in three core commitments: staying in the fight, taking concrete action today, and investing in the long-term. The protests were estimated to have drawn between 4 to 6 million. 6 million / 330 million < 3.5%

I mean this is just stretching to find reasons not to compliment the player. KC's defense had the play sniffed out and perfectly covered. None of the RBs you mentioned would come close to making that play. There is a phenomenon happening amongst certain Bills fans where they're making the jump from "we shouldn't pay Cook" to "Cook isn't that good." There are plenty of reasonable arguments for why Cook shouldn't be extended - his position, his snap count, his 3rd down %, etc. You can make those arguments without making irrational comparisons to Singletary and the like. Any discussion about extending Cook should acknowledge the fact that if you don't extend him you are losing some of the great individual plays he made last year.

Hopefully we don’t need to punt this year.

This is what "culture" war on all fronts leads to.

I didnt even realize Martin had been here three years. In the "old dreary days" I actively followed or punters, recall the quote of the years from Jauron?, "we punted well" or Bills fan extolling the great prowres of Brian Moorman our own Bills MVP. Now with this offense, punting is about my last concern, biggest concern I have is our special teams coach and punted getting blocked due to mis assignments/alignments.

What a friggin tool. 😂

Pats only swept twice in their dynasty. That is a staggering stat to me. I think Bills have done it once (in the Allen era). They would have done it last year too if they needed to, but that applied to the Pats a time or two as well. The finishing with a division game definitely affects how rarely teams sweep. The best team who would be capable of sweeping often doesn't need that last game.

Always sounded like bull####. Jobs Americans won't do...right.

More please! It's definitely working. MAGA defections off the charts! 😂