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It’s a very fair question. There is no easy answer but it’s probably a little of both. The difference was so extreme that it’s not just coincidence. That may be a part of it but the offense was clearly much better with him. The triangle is a great analogy. The answer is TBD. I was obsessed with those 90’s Bulls teams. IMO, they don’t have a Pippen but have some of the other roles filled around Jordan. The OL is sort of Grant / Rodman doing the dirty work to help make it go. Kincaid to me is like Paxton / Kerr in that he can be a quality role player but rarely take over a game. Cook is a little like Kukoc in that he has a lot of ability but will never be the focus of the team. The receivers kind of remind me of Cartwright/Wennigton/Longley. They are the least talented of the starters but have a role. They’re never taking over a game but if they go out there and have 9 points and 6 rebounds they haven’t been a liability. Shakir is the one sort of exception and he is somewhere between the BJ Armstrong and Paxson / Kerr. He’s the 3rd or 4th scoring option on a good team. Shakir is to the Bills what Jrue Holiday is to the Celtics.

Bosa. Other than him, the D is no more productive than last year (which was very productive in turnovers, etc)

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I guess the Bills didn’t think it was as much of a “bad look” as some of those on this board believe…

I don't think it's necessarily gonna be a who, but more so a what. I think the Bills defense will not only be top 3 in sacks, but also top 3 in takeaways. Opposing QB's are going to lose sleep when they see us next on the schedule.

Groot, Walker, Sanders, Jackson. That's a wall right there. I am picturing a lot of quick passes and quite a few tipped passes this year which will lead to interceptions. I'd say our LB's are going to have a very good year. Milano has had a rough couple of years. Hopefully he will come back to form. Bernard has been great. But I think Williams will be the surprise on D this year. He'll get more opportunities and will take full advantage. 😁

//youtu.be/xXhELxrhT64?si=DMjQ8S7ZYyB0qy2- my all time favorite Hockey Player

Interesting! I gotta tell ya, I see a lot of Tom Sestak in him -albeit back injury being a big negative.

People are really sleeping on Forest. I never understood those who prioritized safety in the draft. Rapp got extended. Cole was a 2nd round pick, who missed training camp. Hamlin has experience. Cam Lewis can play Safety. Forest will surprise many. And we just drafted Jordan Hancock. Safety is decently filled. Safety is probably the easiest D position to get adequate play. CB, Edge, LB is a lot more nuanced then playing high and low safety’s imo

That's like asking Kamala to be concise or the reliable media to be truthful. Roundy deserves to be given a hard time, but let's not ask the impossible of him.

You did notice the comma, right? - i.e. continuing the statement and adding additional corresponding information? When I walked 2 miles uphill both ways to school, that was 9th grade English. Didjja git that far?

Jordan Hancock will eventually take Tarons job imo. Maybe not this season. But soon

In Finding's case he created an entire idiotic thread that stands out as a beacon of idiocy every time it's bumped. Reliable media. 😂

Al Davis used to threaten to trade Raider players to Buffalo when they acted up. They used to say players and families used to cry when they arrived in Buffalo. Then they all cried harder when they left Buffalo. Josh is the greatest thing to ever happen to Buffalo. He helped forge the culture. And he made Buffalo a most desired destination, and worldwide Bills Mafia legion!

Do you really think this is why China has an advantage? Think really hard.

Yea what they accomplished last year was historic and will be very hard to replicate. I think Josh in Brady’s system has turned the corner on negative plays and will limit a lot of mistakes going forward, but that rate and the rate with which we got turnovers will regress from the historic levels. That’s why I wish we had started adding to the WR room more this year and past years. Keon is the only WR Beane has drafted in the first three rounds. Back in 2021 when he signed Emmanuel Sanders, Beane stated he did it because he didn’t want to lose their fastball. But since that statement, we did. When the Diggs relationship soured and he was traded, which Beane obviously wasn’t expecting, there was only one WR left that had caught a pass from Josh (Shakir)! The Josh/Brady/Oline/James Cook combination made it work to most peoples’ surprise. And will probably be formidable again this year. But Josh’s time to throw and scramble rate were both the highest they have been since 2020 which to me is a stat that reflects pass catchers not getting quick separation. Combine that with the likely regression of negative plays and I worry that the offensive highs we saw last year are going to be much harder to match than people expect. The best way to counteract that will be to add talent to WR so Josh has good targets to throw to and the passing game becomes more explosive. Maybe Palmer and Moore improve that talent level, I believe it is going to be pretty marginal at best. In the end, this is where the WR train argument comes from, bring back the occasional fast ball to pair with the methodical offense we have built.

Maybe your ability to follow along with any level discernment wasn’t fully successful. To be fair, it wasn’t much to follow along with. My mention of you was not related to farming in any way nor have I ever commented on farming other than to point out a comment like “I hate farmers” is effing weird.

I can't disagree, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Thank you- without the weirdos this world would just... suck.

I think the back probably plays a part in that (although his pad level was concerning even in 2023).

I think TJ Sanders is going to be a beast even in limited playing time. When Ed started to play well down the stretch last year the difference in our defense was noticeable and when he came off the field the interior penetration was non-existent. I think signing Ogunjobi and drafting Sanders tells you Beane knows that. I can well imagine an offensive line that has spent all game trying to hold off Ed just relaxing slightly thinking the job is done and then TJ eating. TJ to out sack Ed in fewer snaps is definitely one of my bolds for next year.... and the board will totally over react as a result with "cut Ed he is a bum!" But Milton Williams had more sacks than Jalen Carter last season. It doesn't mean he is better. There is just an opportunity for those rotational guys when the first choice rush package has worn a line down.

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Walker has a bad habit of being really slow to set himself up at the line. Often he’s just lowering himself down to his stance and by then the ball is snapped causing him to not be in position to attack. He already shoots out of his stance high and now he’s already half way up when the ball is snapped Hopefully the Bills can coach him to get down and ready earlier .

I have never in my lifetime experienced a collection of appointees as unqualified for their posts as we have right now under the Trump administration. Good luck

I hate that stupid song so I liked this version better. Screw the haters.

He still does NFL Locked On Scouting with Kyle Crabbs. But I listened to a couple of episodes this year and they are definitely doing fewer really detailed breakdowns on prospects than the used to. To be honest it feels a it like they have mailed it in and are keeping going for the sake of keeping going because the Locked On network wants them to. It's a shame because when they were part of The Draft Network they did some really good stuff. I mean that place's demise was pretty predictable - running an expensive draft website with full time employees when you are really only driving serious levels of engagement 3 to 4 months of the year - which affects your advertising revenues etc - was never going to be straightforward. Even before you get into some of the personalities tied in with it. But it definitely feels like post the collapse there Joe has turned his attention away from the draft stuff and on to Locked On Bills.