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the Bills were big favourites to win with Vegas still… going against the best D on short rest even… the D was crap in the first half but they gave them opportunity to win in the second half … The O couldn’t get it done for a number of reasons … it’s looking like they have been over rated by most this season..

Self-preservation would be to dirt it as someone suggested upthread. McD knows that Allen could easily have suffered a severe injury the other night and then the season is truly over.

You can't throw the ball away if you cant escape pressure and set.

Some of that is just the crappy Thursday product. the Bills are taking every opponent’s best shot this season because the league is smelling blood and because there is extra parity this year. Them having to go on the road against an elite defense on a short week after a string of physical games was always going to be rough. And they don’t have cerebral coordinators, and tend to play it safe anyway - they tried to lean into their best plays on both sides of the ball and to rely on near-perfect execution given the limited prep time. It didn’t work, but it’s not Who They Are. But they now have (yet again) left themselves with near zero margin for further error.

That's a good point I didn't consider. I'm old enough to remember Bruce Smith letting up a few times on Joe Montana when he played for KC in the playoffs. Joe was taking a beating that game.

self preservation?

Teef meltdown! Beautiful. 😂

It's my wife's birthday and my kid has a basketball game but I'm missing both of them to watch this crap

Like I said…a little excitable.

I think road teams are already at a disadvantage on Thurs night, esp if you're boarding a plane to fly across the country with only 3 days rest. But you're right it wasn't the cause of the defeat. It just made the task of facing the top D on the road that much harder. I wasn't overly surprised by the egg given the context. It all rests on our O. We know our D is crap and the offense will generally have to score over 25 to win, against anyone.

This. Our roster is mid to bottom barrel with the exception of Josh, Cook, Bishop, Kincaid. We have a good oline but frankly I think its overrated. We have 2 stars on the team in total. Josh and Cook.

Man I swear if I see a tweet tomorrow that says "the bills have signed kylar Elam to the practice squad"........

I'm with you. Samuel is so bad that I'd actually consider playing a slightly more bad Moore over him so he doesn't get hurt and saddle us with his contract next year. Otherwise agree. Frankly, I'd probably pay Edwards before McGovern at this point because he's probably the cheapest of the three IOL we have to worry about over the next two years. I'd consider Bosa at a reasonable price point, but otherwise every one of those defensive FAs is gone. Tough call on Van Demark. Is he worth a second round tender? Not sure. Otherwise, agree about IOL. I might consider Edwards for the sake of continuity, but otherwise next year will be time to shine for two of them. (And maybe three, if we flip the last year of Torrence for four years of someone else.)

I barely want to watch them play football

Convert him to a WR and he can become a deadly duo with Keon.

Too much hyperbole

If this team KEPT McD and Beane and traded Josh. I'd be done with the team for a long time. That would be such a middle finger to the fan base.

We don't do well against top Ds with good pass rush. If you can get pressure rushing 4, or with well-schemed blitzes, it exposes our lack of WR talent and overall back offensive scheme. Josh also struggles as he holds the ball too long and thinks he can make a play, but its harder to get away from the elite athletic pass rushers

I wouldn't say its weak. I'd say there is a shuffle this year. Pats have a balanced offense and defense that are both good. Not great but good. Denver has just as tough a defense as Houston. Colts are pretty balanced as well unless Danny Dimes turns into a pumpkin. Ravens can still be dangerous. Oddly Cinci could still make a run and now Burrow is back I think. KC can maybe turn it on still but I'm not sold on that. Houston could still make the playoffs and do damage because of that defense. They have won 3 in a row now.

He was looking like a "playmaking stud"... in 2023. 2024 he took a step back from what we saw the year before. He wasn't flashing nearly as much as the year before, started showing a penchant for getting dinged up, and was way more often than not out of position. Bc of that, us having to make tough choices or eat into our salary cap heavily with so many players up for extensions (which we chose to do) and with MLB not being a hard to replace, premium position - I would not have extended him. At the absolute most, i'd have waited to see how his 2025 went and think about extending him if it went well. It was baffling to me when they extended him early and enraging to me after seeing how bad he looks this year.

Oh you care. You care a lot. I’m in your head. You love to pounce the moment you see me on here! We get it. You try your hardest only to get out in your place. I don’t judge you for wanting to try harder each times but it’s getting a bit embarrassing for you. Get out a bit. I’m gettin ready to shower. Let that soak into that chubby head of yours. So you can quote people! So far we know you lie about ignoring people and the ability to quote people. You can’t even keep your own nonsense straight. What a clown.

how did you become so cynical?

No my issue with the Knox extension was he still had a year left on his rookie deal. Ahead of the 2022 season, Beane gives him a 4 year $52 million extension. To me it just didnt make sense. No team was about to make a move for him & Knox wasn't going to go anywhere. We didnt need to do that at that time & surely didn't need to pay him that much. At least imho. That extension turned out to be pretty bad & Knox restructured of course in 2024 to save us a little money. But while it reduced his cap number, it extended his time with us another year. A year where he'd get paid more with us than on any other team. So its still a win as far as he's concerned. The Knox extension is just 1 of course, there's been a few others that we can look at as weighing this team down a bit. But I agree with you on Bosa & the wr's for the most part. What we really need is some more impact players. You can probably count on 1 hand, the amount of impact players we've gotten out of our drafts. It just hasn't been good enough & its the poor drafting that has really put us in this situation.

8 sacks 70 yards. 14 sacks 68 yards. It’s not just more sacks more yards the amount of yards lost was about double Thursday night. The game is an anomaly though.