freester Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Schoebel is old and overpaid. Kelsay is just overpaid. Denney is old. Ellis is not NFL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 With Maybin being strictly a specialist, I'd also suspect DE as one of the top positions to draft next year, since Kelsay is horrible and I think Schobel will prove this year that he's done. That leaves 2 DE spots to be filled in the offseason, if correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 With Maybin being strictly a specialist, I'd also suspect DE as one of the top positions to draft next year, since Kelsay is horrible and I think Schobel will prove this year that he's done. That leaves 2 DE spots to be filled in the offseason, if correct.Maybe even more than that, depending on what D Scheme the new coach installs. freester may be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I'm glad someone else see's the DE position as a huge problem. IMO, we should have picked up a veteran DE along with a rookie DE. I was hoping for Orakpo, but we drafted Maybin instead. I fear Maybin won't have that much of an impact this season, maybe 6-8 sacks at best. We're gonna have the same problems with our pass-rushing as last year. It doesn't matter how many and how good the DB's, CB's & Safety's we draft, if we don't have a decent pass-rush (I can't say good because our pass-rush is horrible), then we're gonna continue to get eaten up by the good QB's in the league. Hopefully somebody at OBD see's this and overhaul's our DE's next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 DE really is a problem. I thought having Stroud in the middle was going to help, but it hasn't ...not enough anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I'm glad someone else see's the DE position as a huge problem. IMO, we should have picked up a veteran DE along with a rookie DE. I was hoping for Orakpo, but we drafted Maybin instead. I fear Maybin won't have that much of an impact this season, maybe 6-8 sacks at best. We're gonna have the same problems with our pass-rushing as last year. It doesn't matter how many and how good the DB's, CB's & Safety's we draft, if we don't have a decent pass-rush (I can't say good because our pass-rush is horrible), then we're gonna continue to get eaten up by the good QB's in the league. Hopefully somebody at OBD see's this and overhaul's our DE's next season. That would have led the team last season, ahead of Mitchell's and Denney's 4.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 That would have led the team last season, ahead of Mitchell's and Denney's 4.0. That would have also led all rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Schoebel is old and overpaid. Kelsay is just overpaid. Denney is old. Ellis is not NFL player. MaGee is gone. Whitner is on his way out. McKelvin is a question mark. He might even be a return specialist; I mean we just don't know. If Jauron is here, he will take a db in round 1 just as sure as s--t, unless his power is stripped. And, don't be surprised to see one in round 2 as well. Look at who (Brown) and what (a 2010 1st round pick) he passed on for an injured Byrd. Jauron is a living nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Lets face it....if this team fails this year we are going to see a LOT of changes......starting with coaching staff. I am not convinced DJ lasts the year if Ralph is serious when he says he expects to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 MaGee is gone. Whitner is on his way out. McKelvin is a question mark. He might even be a return specialist; I mean we just don't know. If Jauron is here, he will take a db in round 1 just as sure as s--t, unless his power is stripped. And, don't be surprised to see one in round 2 as well. Look at who (Brown) and what (a 2010 1st round pick) he passed on for an injured Byrd. Jauron is a living nightmare. Is he really alive? Skeletor might not actually be a breathing entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I agree with the poster. Our DL is absolutely horrible. Schobel gets a free ride from many fans because at one time he was productive but his play has drastically gotten worse over the last 3 years. Denney and Kelsey were horrible high draft picks. Mcargo looked terrible in his first preseason game. He has run out out excuses. I don't care if he is having a good camp; he better show it in the games. Maybin is our only hope. It sucks to have all your hope in a rookie. I can't understand for the life of me why we didn't address this either in the draft or in free agency. There were quality lineman in the FA. I believe there are still a few guys out there but the status quo is not going to get the job done. We could have the best DB's in the NFL but their going to look bad on Sunday because the QB has all day to deliver the ball. Do you want to know why teams like Tennessee are better than the Bills----> because they dominate in the trenches!!! This is not based on one preseason game. This is based on the last several years and the fact that we did nothing to address this major weakness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Marginal pass rush from these stiffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperKillerRobots Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Lets face it....if this team fails this year we are going to see a LOT of changes......starting with coaching staff. I am not convinced DJ lasts the year if Ralph is serious when he says he expects to win. I definitely don't see DJ here if the team doesn't win at least half of the first 8 games and possibly the first 6. They won't give him the last 8 games to bring the record up and Bobby April's been waiting for a while for this opportunity. I agree with the original poster in that DE is the first round pick next year, but there's no way all 4 of the guys he listed go. But I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of the old guys went out the door and had some healthy competition in camp next year (regardless of what happens this year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Schoebel is old and overpaid. Kelsay is just overpaid. Denney is old. Ellis is not NFL player. I was thinking the same thing watching the game Sunday. Our entire DL cannot beat anyone to the QB. What is the point of paying Kelsay and Denny millions when the Bills could just get some 300lb guy to play the run more effectively? Put McCargo and Johnson at DE. They are bigger and basically can't do any worse generating pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 mccargo is a bust. it's going to be the same from the front 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 You know, the trade deadline isn't for another few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haus Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 This is why it blew my mind when the Bills were on the clock at 43 and they kept showing E. Brown. Then the Bills went ahead and got a DB. Carolina was happy because after we picked Bryd they traded next years 1st to grab Brown. I bet they thought we were gona take Brown as well. If we would have grabed Orakapo 1st instead of Maybin. Then Brown after Wood we would be set with those 2 for the next 10 years. But Dick and co screwed that one up as they do many games. Sad but kinda funny nothing ever changes. Even funnier was that after the Nelson pick the next 3 were DBs. I thought we had plenty already on the roster. But who needs a front 7? We were obviosly set there. And I realize N. Harris is making the transition to LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 MaGee is gone. Whitner is on his way out. McKelvin is a question mark. He might even be a return specialist; I mean we just don't know. If Jauron is here, he will take a db in round 1 just as sure as s--t, unless his power is stripped. And, don't be surprised to see one in round 2 as well. Look at who (Brown) and what (a 2010 1st round pick) he passed on for an injured Byrd. Jauron is a living nightmare. Hey, Bill. This is the second time I've seen you mention this. What team offered us a 2010 1st rounder for our #2 this year? GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson from Gamehendge Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 i'll keep saying it... should have not wasted picks on byrd and levitre...and drafted michael johnson and everette brown! then maybin could play outside linebacker, moving ellison to backup. levitre will be hyped up and pan out like mccargo did. donte whitner, bryant scott, and ko simpson/george wilson...are fine safeties. byrd was not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 We are saying all this because Maybin is not in camp......if Byrd ends up being a playmaking safety this will all be forgotten.......it is going to take a while to rebiuld these lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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