Erik Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I'm thinkin this one hit a little to close to home for her. Cut her some slack. Adultery is a sin but not a crime...no one deserves to be killed for it, regardless of the circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 @#$%ing around with a 20-year old?! Guess that learned ya, huh, Steve? Yeah. I removed my earlier post with the tears. But, here's some tears for your wife and kids. What if his wife was a raving B word? What if she was banging the next door neighbor? I admit hearing the guy was with his 20-year old girlfriend can make some angry, but there is more to the story than that, I'm sure. None of us know the circumstances were here, so judging him based on this one snippet of perceived bad behavior (especially when weighed against a lifetime of being a very good guy, or so it is told) might be a little bit rash. Relationships are unique. I'm not going to take back my RIP, or feel better about his death, simply because he had a girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 What if his wife was a raving B word? What if she was banging the next door neighbor. I admit hearing the guy was with his 20-year old girlfriend can make some angry, but there is more to the story than that, I'm sure. None of us know the circumstances were here, so judging him based on this one snippet of perceived bad behavior (especially when weighed against a lifetime of being a very good guy, or so it is told) might be a little bit rash. Yeah, we know nothing about his marriage. Maybe it was an open marraige. Maybe his wife is boning a 20 year old frat boy... endless maybes. Without knowing for sure, there is no sense in comdemning him. The lady who expressed that she was glad he's dead is very classless. Completely uncalled for. At least she's not my girlfriend and never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faderphreak Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Whoever did this was reallllyyyyy pissed at him. Multiple shots is the work of severe anger. IMO I was thinking the same thing. Only one for her? It certainly leads to easy speculation on at last two fronts. Podody's Nerfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 A lot of times, people are quick just to speak before they think. The meaning of their communication is just the response they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Cablelady: What class you have, so now he deserved to die? Bizarre response, is there a way you can remove ALL of your past posts while your at it and also force you to have some class, dignity and brains in future ones? If so I'm all for it. Cablelady has probably put herself in the shoes of Steve McNairs wife. I don't know all the circumstances so my response is based on what we know, but does it surprise you some folks would look at it differently? Regardless of who a person is or what he does, his actions put him in the situation he was in and now his wife and kids will suffer without him forever. When we look at Steve Mcnair we see a hero on the football field, but he's also a husband and father and now possibly because of his actions, he's gone. Is it right that Steve McNair was killed, no, of course not, but the feelings and emotions from person to person will vary and is to be expected in my opinion. Its a terrible tragedy no matter how you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 im letting cablelady slide considering the little boy's club that she, Lori and the other female posters tolerate around here now excuse me while i update my avatar with pics of boobs like its the first time ive ever seen a pair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faderphreak Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 What if his wife was a raving B word? What if she was banging the next door neighbor? I admit hearing the guy was with his 20-year old girlfriend can make some angry, but there is more to the story than that, I'm sure. None of us know the circumstances were here, so judging him based on this one snippet of perceived bad behavior (especially when weighed against a lifetime of being a very good guy, or so it is told) might be a little bit rash. Relationships are unique. I'm not going to take back my RIP, or feel better about his death, simply because he had a girlfriend. I completely agree. Judging McNair, or anyone for that matter, without knowing all of the circumstances that led up to the action or reaction to the situation. It is very easy to see the worst in people and live in a black and white world. The problem is all those shades of gray. I guess that is why Catholics have that whole "Judge not, yest ye be judged" thing going on. As an athlete and a player I remember him to definitely be a tough and classy guy. As an individual citizen he appeared to be a decent and giving individual who wanted to give back and share his gifts to make society better. Through his charities and public actions he genuinely appeared to care a great deal about others. That this is the way he went out is a shame and it is tragic but no one is infallible. No one. RIP McNair. My thoughts go out to your family and close friends. This is only going to get rougher for them as more details are released regardless of what outcome has been determined when all the facts are known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazedandConfused Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 On CNN, a reporter said that the bodies were discovered by a guy (sorry, forgot his name) who co-owned the condo with McNair. Apparently, the guy was a sports memorabilia dealer. Anyway, the guy discovered the bodies a little before 1pm, but rather than call the police right away he called somebody else, who then called the police about a half an hour later...is it me, or what? I also found it strange, the reporter also said that when he came in, he didn't see the blood right away, and didn't realize they were dead. Is that even logical? From the desciption of the crime scene, the girl was lying on the floor, with a gunshot to the head. Maybe I watch too many movies, or maybe the carpeting/flooring was dark, but wouldn't there be a significant amount of blood? McNair was shot multiple times. It just seems odd that you wouldn't notice like something like that pretty quick. The co-owner said, he went into the condo, walked around a bit, thought they were just in the living room sleeping (I suppose) and then went in the kitchen and saw the blood...very strange, all the information leaked on this story, so far, and the fact that the guy delayed calling anyone seems odd to me. If you walked into your house, found two dead bodies (bloody or otherwise) wouldn't your first response be to call the police, or for medical attention? Maybe the co-owner knew that McNair wasn't supposed to be with the girl, and it would look bad for McNair, but dead is dead...I just found that a little odd... QWhen one hears a set of facts in a newstory which do not make sense, I think it usually is a pretty safe conclusion to figure it is a poorly reported story (some reported facts are simply wrong or key facts are left out). Its usually pretty difficult to conclude from a series of bad or incomplete facts what is bad or incomplete about them. Garbage in/garbage out. This is one where clearly one needs to wait for more facts before drawing any legit conclusions. If one insists on drawing legit conclusions it creates and obligation to go get some more facts or if not to simply offer condolences but for the most part shut up and wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 im letting cablelady slide considering the little boy's club that she, Lori and the other female posters tolerate around here now excuse me while i update my avatar with pics of boobs like its the first time ive ever seen a pair... Agreed. Cablebabe is good people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Yeah, we know nothing about his marriage. Maybe it was an open marraige. Maybe his wife is boning a 20 year old frat boy... endless maybes. Without knowing for sure, there is no sense in comdemning him. The lady who expressed that she was glad he's dead is very classless. Completely uncalled for. At least she's not my girlfriend and never will be. I never said I was glad he's dead. Some of you should learn how to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 QWhen one hears a set of facts in a newstory which do not make sense, I think it usually is a pretty safe conclusion to figure it is a poorly reported story (some reported facts are simply wrong or key facts are left out). Its usually pretty difficult to conclude from a series of bad or incomplete facts what is bad or incomplete about them. Garbage in/garbage out. This is one where clearly one needs to wait for more facts before drawing any legit conclusions. If one insists on drawing legit conclusions it creates and obligation to go get some more facts or if not to simply offer condolences but for the most part shut up and wait. Do you mean we should use common sense? 100 TSW gumshoes just went flaccid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Whoever did this was reallllyyyyy pissed at him. Multiple shots is the work of severe anger. IMO Or a really, really lousy shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Or a really, really lousy shot. or Both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Adultery is a sin but not a crime...no one deserves to be killed for it, regardless of the circumstance. Actually, some states it is a crime. New York defines an adulterer as a person who "engages in sexual intercourse with another person at a time when he has a living spouse, or the other person has a living spouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 This is just stunning news - I guess it shows that nobody is free from violence and death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 or Both My point was that one shouldn't try to psychologically profile a crime scene one hasn't even seen. Reminds me of the jackasses that think they know exactly what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11, from looking at three pictures. But I know Steely Dan is just having fun (so-to-speak), and knows not to take himself too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I always like how these guys are "great representatives for their community" and "just the nicest guy you'd ever meet" as they're running around sleeping with who knows how many people behind their wife and kids. If this guy wasn't a quarterback, most of us would call them a slimeball. Of course this is a tragedy. Of course it's unfortunate. But seriously, why get married if you want to hook up with as many girls as possible? Either stay single or commit. Oi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Did you read any of my posts after that one? Yep. I believe you wrote "the sick need to kill." That changes your original supposition that it was a sig other how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Yep. I believe you wrote "the sick need to kill." That changes your original supposition that it was a sig other how? must be the off season, Lets not tear folks apart over different reactions to something tragic like this, especially taking things out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettle Creek Football Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 must be the off season, Lets not tear folks apart over different reactions to something tragic like this, especially taking things out of context. Good point. Let the two of them lie in peace. It's none of our business what the extenuating circumstances were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJ Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Actually, some states it is a crime. New York defines an adulterer as a person who "engages in sexual intercourse with another person at a time when he has a living spouse, or the other person has a living spouse. True but it is very rarely prosecuted in those states in which it is a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 My God, this is awful news. Very very sad to hear this. I am shocked and saddened. He was a great man and a great player, this is just terrible news. My thoughts and prayers go out to McNair's friends and family. Rest in peace Steve and God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 must be the off season, Lets not tear folks apart over different reactions to something tragic like this, especially taking things out of context. Who's being torn apart, and what is taken out of context? He simply "put his money down" that a sig other did the killings, to which I responded that the evidence suggests otherwise. He then asked if I read any of his following posts, none of which supported a change in his original theory. It's pretty obvious what happened here, just trying to point him in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Who's being torn apart, and what is taken out of context? He simply "put his money down" that a sig other did the killings, to which I responded that the evidence suggests otherwise. He then asked if I read any of his following posts, none of which supported a change in his original theory. It's pretty obvious what happened here, just trying to point him in the right direction. I meant more in general and didn't mean to point my post completely in your direction. Lots of folks giving there last respects along with the mixed reactions and maybe out of respect for the late Steve Mcnair and his surviving family members we shouldn't let the thread get to out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyemike Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Reminds me of the jackasses that think they know exactly what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11, from looking at three pictures. A while back on this board, there was some guy propagating the theory that a missile, not a jet, crashed into the Pentagon on that horrible day. He was all gung-ho about his little theory. Until someone (I don't remember who) posted that they lived nearby and actually saw the jet flying low from their apartment window seconds before it hit the Pentagon. It shut the theorist up pretty damn quick. The point is, none of us know the circumstances until the authorities piece together the evidence and figure out what happened. That will take weeks, maybe even months, but it will probably be done correctly by the Nashville Police Department. So we can take all of our theories and $3.50, and buy a latte at Starbucks. Oh, BTW, leave Cablelady alone. I had the same thought...he's a married man, what in the world is he doing with a girl half his age, spending all this time with her and buying a truck with her, etc. But other than that, it is none of our business because we're not affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Don't get me started, Buck-o. answer the question. He deserved to die for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I found myself thinking the same thing. I didn't know the girlfriend had a husband, but i still was thinking along the lines of an angry boyfriend/husband. Kinda sad, murders usually only are related to three things: 1)money, 2)drugs, 3)women/men 4) The sick need to kill. Where do I say the sick need to kill is a part of this case? I don't. I'm merely pointing out that there is one other thing murders can be related to. The sick need to kill by some people. You are interpreting that in a way it wasn't meant. I never said "In this case...". That's where I'm putting my money right now.Very nice words from Greggo. Evidence points to the contrary. Yep. I believe you wrote "the sick need to kill." That changes your original supposition that it was a sig other how? Read above. im letting cablelady slide considering the little boy's club that she, Lori and the other female posters tolerate around here now excuse me while i update my avatar with pics of boobs like its the first time ive ever seen a pair... Or a really, really lousy shot. My point was that one shouldn't try to psychologically profile a crime scene one hasn't even seen. Reminds me of the jackasses that think they know exactly what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11, from looking at three pictures. But I know Steely Dan is just having fun (so-to-speak), and knows not to take himself too seriously. I wasn't trying to diagnose a crime scene I was just offering insight on murders that I've gleaned from many different sources. You have done this yourself. If a person is shot or stabbed once or twice to kill them then it could be a stranger. If someone is shot or stabbed to the point of overkill it's usually somebody that has a passionate reason for killing the person. JMO must be the off season, Lets not tear folks apart over different reactions to something tragic like this, especially taking things out of context. Shut up jerkface. What evidence do you have that the Russians are responsible for this!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Read above. You said your money was on the sig other. When pointed out evidence suggests otherwise, you say read my posts after that. None of them indicate a change of theory on your part. No big deal, you just need to learn how to interpret the facts better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I don't know the details of this tragic event. At best, it looks like McNair exercised bad judgment and at worse, it looks like he exploited a girl barely out of her teens. She probably was just as happy to be with him regardless of his status. Though reports today indicate he told her he was divorcing his wife. I don't know if that was true. No divorce proceedings were filed in Nashville court where they live at least part time. Either way McNair was well loved in this community and did his share of giving back. But even recently it has been shown that he has been DUI. Proof that his judgment isn't the best. The first time they let him off on a technicality and the second time during the trial the cop's history was drug through the mud. This last time his presence in the Escalade wasn't even recorded in the affidavit. He was allowed to leave in a taxi. IMHO, if this was a non celebrity - the accommodation of his guilt and behavior would never have happened regardless of how much of a "good guy" the person was. Again, proof that society treats celebrities in ways that precludes them taking responsibility for their actions. There is no greater evidence of this than the Michael Jackson episode. Steve was a good guy and didn't deserve to be shot by anyone. I'm not sure if anyone he looked up to stepped in to say how his behavior may have been jeopardizing his health, safety and legacy. But young (or old) millionaires tend to not listen to advice even when it's good. Cause no one sets any boundaries for them when they have power, money, celebrity and influence. All this is very sad IMHO and could have been avoided. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I don't know the details of this tragic event. At best, it looks like McNair exercised bad judgment and at worse, it looks like he exploited a girl barely out of her teens. Exploited her? Was he having her turn tricks for him? Do porn? I admit I don't follow the gossip as well as some here, but I haven't head anything that suggests it wasn't a legit relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I wasn't trying to diagnose a crime scene I was just offering insight on murders that I've gleaned from many different sources. You have done this yourself. If a person is shot or stabbed once or twice to kill them then it could be a stranger. If someone is shot or stabbed to the point of overkill it's usually somebody that has a passionate reason for killing the person. JMO I know. For you, it's just a thought-exercise. You hypothesize as an intellectual game. Other people actually take their amateur CSI-act seriously, though. BTW...there's a lot more to "done in anger" than just multiple shots. Someone who's never handled a gun before might just start pulling the trigger until the gun's empty or the target falls, simply as a panic reaction. Unless McNair took five or six shots to the groin, I wouldn't personally assume... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 answer the question. He deserved to die for this? I believe that is exactly what the lady said. Oh wait, she said nothing of the sort, my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I know. For you, it's just a thought-exercise. You hypothesize as an intellectual game. Other people actually take their amateur CSI-act seriously, though. BTW...there's a lot more to "done in anger" than just multiple shots. Someone who's never handled a gun before might just start pulling the trigger until the gun's empty or the target falls, simply as a panic reaction. Unless McNair took five or six shots to the groin, I wouldn't personally assume... Initially though, depending on the placement of the shots, it does appear like overkill and usually occurs in a fit of rage just like numerous stabs vs. one or two fatal stab wounds. I do admit however an inexperienced shooter could do the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Unless McNair took five or six shots to the groin, I wouldn't personally assume... Two to the body, two to the head. She had one in the head. All shots from the same gun, which was found underneath her body, which was lying close to his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Two to the body, two to the head. She had one in the head. All shots from the same gun, which was found underneath her body, which was lying close to his. Wow, that sounds like a hit. or murder/suicide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Wow, that sounds like a hit. I am less sure.. If she had the 4 shots and he had 1 it would look like a murder/suicide. It still does, but it is rare when a female is the shooter on a murder/suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I never said I was glad he's dead. Some of you should learn how to read. If you had said that I would have disagreed, and still thought (known) you one nice, sweet woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 You said your money was on the sig other. When pointed out evidence suggests otherwise, you say read my posts after that. None of them indicate a change of theory on your part. No big deal, you just need to learn how to interpret the facts better. You're post came at 1:13. I posted this below in response to someone asking why they weren't looking for anyone and only going with a murder suicide theory. There are fairly easy ways to diagnose a suicide. If the gun is still in the hand, how close the shot was to the body, how the body fell, the clues at the crime scene etc... etc.... It is my fault for not being completely clear on some stuff and I can kinda see where a misinterpretation could be made. My post above was defending the murder suicide theory because I had changed to the murder suicide one based on new (reported) evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I am less sure.. If she had the 4 shots and he had 1 it would look like a murder/suicide. It still does, but it is rare when a female is the shooter on a murder/suicide. To set it up to look like a murder /suicide with her as the killer could be a clue in itself. Steve Mcnairs wife would have motive to do that, so would a hit man, and so would an estranged boyfriend of Sahel Kazemi, which if not ruled a homicide/suicide I would be looking in that direction because this doesn't look like a crime a woman would commit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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