Lv-Bills Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Its ok...I am not offended by that in fact it is pretty realistic. Ummm, yeah, because as a former high school football coach myself, if your son has a 2.7, and he couldn't get into a Division 1 program with that GPA, believe me, he's not even close to a pro caliber player. Usually if he is on the 1-AA level (which is still pretty good football and talent), then yeah, I can see the JUCO route, because most of those schools are usually more stringent to get into. If most of the sure fire, high end, D-1 kids had a 2.7, they would be gobbled up quickly at any level. Although, the lower your GPA now, the higher your SAT has to be. But still, for a sure fire athete, a 2.7 is indeed well within school acceptance range. The school's coach could get that by admissions without much resistance at all if they really wanted the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Ummm, yeah, because as a former high school football coach myself, if your son has a 2.7, and he couldn't get into a Division 1 program with that GPA, believe me, he's not even close to a pro caliber player. Usually if he is on the 1-AA level (which is still pretty good football and talent), then yeah, I can see the JUCO route, because most of those schools are usually more stringent to get into. If most of the sure fire, high end, D-1 kids had a 2.7, they would be gobbled up quickly at any level. Although, the lower your GPA now, the higher your SAT has to be. But still, for a sure fire athete, a 2.7 is indeed well within school acceptance range. The school's coach could get that by admissions without much resistance at all if they really wanted the kid. Regarding the GPA....the 2.7 isn't the problem it is the courses he did badly in. You have to pass certain courses as the higher schools dont take "D's" and so he would have to retake those courses in order to meet the actual school requirements. Its all a little complicated but he is "academically elighible" even though he didn't do well on his SAT but the GPA in the needed classes isn't there. Theoretically its possible to do it but the advisor recommended against it for the reasons I listed in my original post. It doesnt have to do with his athletic ability......he is very talented. But it takes both areas which I failed to make him understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Regarding the GPA....the 2.7 isn't the problem it is the courses he did badly in. You have to pass certain courses as the higher schools dont take "D's" and so he would have to retake those courses in order to meet the actual school requirements. Its all a little complicated but he is "academically elighible" even though he didn't do well on his SAT but the GPA in the needed classes isn't there. Theoretically its possible to do it but the advisor recommended against it for the reasons I listed in my original post. It doesnt have to do with his athletic ability......he is very talented. But it takes both areas which I failed to make him understand. OK, gotcha. His didn't do so hot in his core subjects. That's a whole new ballgame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Oh yes....I freely admit that I totally want this for him. The thing is.....I absolutely know that he wants to play FOOTBALL.......the thing that I see now is that the disconnect is he wants to play football much more then he wants to use it as an avenue to get a good education....where as the opposite is true for me. What I have had a hard time getting him to understand is he doesn't get one without the other. I am hoping that yesterdays events shook him enough for him to realize that. I would print out an 8x11 that says exactly that, and put it on the fridge, on his door, etc. FOOTBALL & ACADEMICS. YOU DON'T GET ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER. (Unless you go to UMiami or FSU....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 OK, gotcha. His didn't do so hot in his core subjects. That's a whole new ballgame. There is a outside chance he could still get offered by a private school since they make their own GPA requirements......but right now all signs lead to JUCO. I will say this......I wanted badly for him to get offered by a Div I AA or a II school.....but the truth is unless they paid for the whole thing I wouldn't have been able to afford it.......I am wondering if I got bailed out in that regard. I dont know though.....I have a lot of medical conditions nowadays but I would have taken a second job to make it happen had he got offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 ...Theoretically its possible to do it but the advisor recommended against it for the reasons I listed in my original post. It doesnt have to do with his athletic ability......he is very talented. But it takes both areas which I failed to make him understand. Doesn't sound like you failed at anything. Your son thinks he is the smartest guy he knows, which isn't unusual at that age. Live and learn, maybe now he'll realize Pop knows what he is talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Doesn't sound like you failed at anything. Your son thinks he is the smartest guy he knows, which isn't unusual at that age. Live and learn, maybe now he'll realize Pop knows what he is talking about. I will say this....I am totally guilty of being a male chauvanist when it comes to his school advisor...... I never talked to her about Brett because she is a female and I thought she wouldn't know @hit about the football side of things....but I was proven wrong and am humbled.....she knows those NCAA rules inside and out, follows the trends, and knows exactly what private schools he has a ghost chance of getting offered by. What I did not realizae (and didn't ask) is she had two boys of her own that got recruited to play baseball....the first went straight to Div I while her other (lazy like my kid) boy went to a JUCO and got offered. She had an insight on this that was so valuable to me....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I will say this....I am totally guilty of being a male chauvanist when it comes to his school advisor...... I never talked to her about Brett because she is a female and I thought she wouldn't know @hit about the football side of things....but I was proven wrong and am humbled.....she knows those NCAA rules inside and out, follows the trends, and knows exactly what private schools he has a ghost chance of getting offered by. What I did not realizae (and didn't ask) is she had two boys of her own that got recruited to play baseball....the first went straight to Div I while her other (lazy like my kid) boy went to a JUCO and got offered. She had an insight on this that was so valuable to me....... Is she hot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 She wasn't ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I think he won't make it to the NFL and I know he won't make it to the NFL. No... actually you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I'm assuming in reference to if he'll make the NFL or not, and to that, I'll ask you what does that have to do with what you said? Thinking that he won't make it and saying that he definitely won't are two different things. seeing that he does not have a D-1 scholarship at this point, no matter what his grades, is pretty indicative that he has no where near NFL caliber talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Actually Rock that is one of the things that I truly am having a hard time coping with.....I am NOT driving the car anymore...... I used to have a lot of influence and had a really good feeling about the way things were generally headed.....but not so much this past year. I just want my kids to turn out well.....I dont want them to look back on their lives 10 years from now telling stories of "what could have been" - I never finished high school and had to work 2 full time jobs to take care of my grandparents.....I eventually did go back to college before getting hurt (playing football) then joined the Air Force...... - My wife barely finished high school and never even considered going to college......she has a trade and does ok but...... sounds like a great foundation to home school the young'uns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 seeing that he does not have a D-1 scholarship at this point, no matter what his grades, is pretty indicative that he has no where near NFL caliber talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I will say this....I am totally guilty of being a male chauvanist when it comes to his school advisor...... I never talked to her about Brett because she is a female and I thought she wouldn't know @hit about the football side of things....but I was proven wrong and am humbled.....she knows those NCAA rules inside and out, follows the trends, and knows exactly what private schools he has a ghost chance of getting offered by. What I did not realizae (and didn't ask) is she had two boys of her own that got recruited to play baseball....the first went straight to Div I while her other (lazy like my kid) boy went to a JUCO and got offered. She had an insight on this that was so valuable to me....... There are many paths, John. I know you understand that. And I also think I understand why you are disappointed. He could have made this much easier on himself. But you also understand that this isn't the end of the road for him, rather it is still very much in the early stages. Maybe he's one of us who needs to be knocked down a little to be built up. Perhaps this actually turns out to be the better option for him. Given the financial implications, it may be better for the family, too. He will be local, and you can keep your eye on things. Maybe he just isn't quite ready to make the move to a big school, and a bigger football program. He (and you) are fortunate to have a knowledgeable and understanding school counselor for advice. Whether or not he is destined to play football at another level is still to be seen. The most important thing is he mature, be a good person, learn and prepare himself for the world, with or without football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 What is there to disagree about? The odds don't say his son "won't get into the NFL"... if they did, that would mean the numbers are 0 out of everyone make it to the NFL. Since the number is very small... the odds are that you probably will not make it, or that it will be very difficult. There's really no arguing facts. Well given the fact that no division 1 college offered him a scholarship & he will be fortunate to find a JUCO to play for, I would say that making it to the NFL is probably a pipe dream at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Well given the fact that no division 1 college offered him a scholarship & he will be fortunate to find a JUCO to play for, I would say that making it to the NFL is probably a pipe dream at this point. Nobody is arguing that it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 Can somebody please explain to me why folks are arguing whehter he is going to play in the NFL? I am really trying to wonder why it got to that point. I am trying to make sure he gets an education......I never mentioned NFL one time in my original post. Maybe HE is thinking about it I certainly am not. Remember what it was like to be 17 years old and have dreams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 Well given the fact that no division 1 college offered him a scholarship & he will be fortunate to find a JUCO to play for, I would say that making it to the NFL is probably a pipe dream at this point. Gordio, I am not going to get into the NFL thing because that really isn't even part of my original post....but not getting offered by a Div 1 school really has nothing to do with talent level it has to do with academics.... He has been visiting Div I AA and NAIA schools and he didn't just show up and ask to look at the gym....he was invited. Then when he made it to the Max Preps All American Camp invite list (happening in July) things really started picking up. The Max Preps holds combines all over the US throughout the year...then they invite the top 30 percent performers of those camps to the All American combine. Which is why its tearing my heart out....they ARE interested but will sour when they see his grades for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 There are many paths, John. I know you understand that. And I also think I understand why you are disappointed. He could have made this much easier on himself. But you also understand that this isn't the end of the road for him, rather it is still very much in the early stages. Maybe he's one of us who needs to be knocked down a little to be built up. Perhaps this actually turns out to be the better option for him. Given the financial implications, it may be better for the family, too. He will be local, and you can keep your eye on things. Maybe he just isn't quite ready to make the move to a big school, and a bigger football program. He (and you) are fortunate to have a knowledgeable and understanding school counselor for advice. Whether or not he is destined to play football at another level is still to be seen. The most important thing is he mature, be a good person, learn and prepare himself for the world, with or without football. Dean, I can always count on you to be the level headed non judgemental voice of reason when I post on here about personal stuff......thanks for your input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Gordio, I am not going to get into the NFL thing because that really isn't even part of my original post....but not getting offered by a Div 1 school really has nothing to do with talent level it has to do with academics.... He has been visiting Div I AA and NAIA schools and he didn't just show up and ask to look at the gym....he was invited. Then when he made it to the Max Preps All American Camp invite list (happening in July) things really started picking up. The Max Preps holds combines all over the US throughout the year...then they invite the top 30 percent performers of those camps to the All American combine. Which is why its tearing my heart out....they ARE interested but will sour when they see his grades for this year. Gordio's point was that if the kid was talented enough to play at the D-I level, then the schools are going to find a way to get him in. GPA is a nice way of saying that the talent level isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Gordio, I am not going to get into the NFL thing because that really isn't even part of my original post....but not getting offered by a Div 1 school really has nothing to do with talent level it has to do with academics.... He has been visiting Div I AA and NAIA schools and he didn't just show up and ask to look at the gym....he was invited. Then when he made it to the Max Preps All American Camp invite list (happening in July) things really started picking up. The Max Preps holds combines all over the US throughout the year...then they invite the top 30 percent performers of those camps to the All American combine. Which is why its tearing my heart out....they ARE interested but will sour when they see his grades for this year. The only point I was trying to make was that if he is talented enough, a Div 1a or Div 1aa school would find a way to make it happen, grades be damned. The NFL thing was really not directed towards you as you are right, you never once mentioned the letters NFL. It was directed towards Ans, he stated that it is not impossible for your son to play in the NFL & I simply said because he was not recruited by a D 1 program that yes it is or at least an extreme long shot. I am going to say something without fully knowing the situation or ever seeing your son play football, but it seems like from your other posts about your son that there is something always against him. The coaches do not like him, there using him at the wrong position, the area where your from likes a kid from the other side of town better, he spends to much time with the girls(I thought all football players do that?), his grades are not good enough, even though a 2.7 GPA is a borderline B/B-. You said it yourself he is undersized. Maybe he is just not good enough to play college football. There is no shame in that, it sounded like he a had a very good career. Maybe that is where it ends. I have a son too, & sometime I catch myself dreaming of the day where he signs his National Letter of Intent to play football at some college. I know I have a better chance of winning the lottery, but that is what dads do with their sons I guess. Anyways, best of luck to you & your son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 There are many paths, John. I know you understand that. And I also think I understand why you are disappointed. He could have made this much easier on himself. But you also understand that this isn't the end of the road for him, rather it is still very much in the early stages. Maybe he's one of us who needs to be knocked down a little to be built up. Perhaps this actually turns out to be the better option for him. Given the financial implications, it may be better for the family, too. He will be local, and you can keep your eye on things. Maybe he just isn't quite ready to make the move to a big school, and a bigger football program. He (and you) are fortunate to have a knowledgeable and understanding school counselor for advice. Whether or not he is destined to play football at another level is still to be seen. The most important thing is he mature, be a good person, learn and prepare himself for the world, with or without football. John - I'm somewhat of the poster child for Dean's last comment. I graduated out of HS in the top 15% of my class of ~400. Thought I knew stuff. Applied to RIT, Syracuse, Pitt, and Cincy for engineering. Accepted to RIT. Boy, did reality hit - hard. I couldn't study my way out of a paper bag with both ends open. Darn near flunked out. Made a deal with school if I went JUCO route (ECC) they would let me back in - on probation. Learned how to study and darn near aced ECC while working and being an unpaid asst coach for 2 sports at old HS. Went back to RIT and struggled again. Realized that I did not have the aptitude for theory - practical was my game. Finished with Mech Eng Tech degree. Signed on at TI making more than my old man. 20+ yrs, 2 layoffs, 4 employers , and 2 moves later I am in a good place. Point here is just because this particular door closes not all are. Many are still open. Look at the options at D2 or D3. I hear / talk to more people that played sports at that level and are still tight with their teammates than at the D1 level and are very successful at what they do. I appreciate your disappointment, but don't be. Encourage him, kick him in the butt when he needs it. In the end, it is your son that will set the direction for his life. You and your wife can only set the foundation. There are many paths, John. I know you understand that. And I also think I understand why you are disappointed. He could have made this much easier on himself. But you also understand that this isn't the end of the road for him, rather it is still very much in the early stages. Maybe he's one of us who needs to be knocked down a little to be built up. Perhaps this actually turns out to be the better option for him. Given the financial implications, it may be better for the family, too. He will be local, and you can keep your eye on things. Maybe he just isn't quite ready to make the move to a big school, and a bigger football program. He (and you) are fortunate to have a knowledgeable and understanding school counselor for advice. Whether or not he is destined to play football at another level is still to be seen. The most important thing is he mature, be a good person, learn and prepare himself for the world, with or without football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 Gordio's point was that if the kid was talented enough to play at the D-I level, then the schools are going to find a way to get him in. GPA is a nice way of saying that the talent level isn't there. Sorry Ramius that is crap...... I realize that you might not understand NCAA regulations but a blanket statement that if a student athlete doesn't have the grades and doesn't make it to a Div I school then they were never a good player is just not an educated response...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Sorry Ramius that is crap...... I realize that you might not understand NCAA regulations but a blanket statement that if a student athlete doesn't have the grades and doesn't make it to a Div I school then they were never a good player is just not an educated response...... He's pretty close to right. If a kid is a straight F student with talent, he's in trouble. If he's got a ton of Cs and some Ds, the schools find a way with a stud player. Michael Oher couldn't spell cat and he went to a D-I school. (Read The Blind Side for more on Oher.) If a kid is good enough on the field, schools will bend over backwards to get him on the field. Sure, there are requirements to be met. But there are also easier ways to meet them than in the school he goes to every day. In Oher's case, he took a load of online courses in a Summer--with a tutor--so he could play at Ole Miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Sorry Ramius that is crap...... I realize that you might not understand NCAA regulations but a blanket statement that if a student athlete doesn't have the grades and doesn't make it to a Div I school then they were never a good player is just not an educated response...... How do you explain all the thugs that are at some of the college programs around the country and can't speak a full sentence getting into those top flight universities? They certainly didn't have the grades. Schools will find a way if they really want you. When I was in HS our RB was very, very good. In the fall of our senior year he was offered scholarships to USC, ND, PSU.. almost any school you could think of. He gave up going to class and doing homework for the rest of the year, flunked the SAT's, and all the schools recinded their offers. He was very good, but not good enough to make the schools bend over backwards for him. Probably similar to your son's situation, except definitely nowhere near as high as a 2.7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 He's pretty close to right. If a kid is a straight F student with talent, he's in trouble. If he's got a ton of Cs and some Ds, the schools find a way with a stud player. Michael Oher couldn't spell cat and he went to a D-I school. (Read The Blind Side for more on Oher.) If a kid is good enough on the field, schools will bend over backwards to get him on the field. Sure, there are requirements to be met. But there are also easier ways to meet them than in the school he goes to every day. In Oher's case, he took a load of online courses in a Summer--with a tutor--so he could play at Ole Miss. I don't think all this stuff is really that relevant to the root of John's troubles, but since it is out there... Yes if you are a SPECTACULAR talent, who will definitely make a Div 1 roster and be a star, then many football factory schools will find a way to let you in. The groundwork for that usually starts well before college admissions time, if I had to venture a guess. I'm guessing most of those kids have been identified early and "handled" so that everything is taken care of, and they work every angle to get tests marked as passed, and all available resources at play for when college entry time comes around. (Street agents and "family friends" make careers getting these kids into college, and the pros. They are the fixers.) But it's a little bit different for a bright and athletic kid, looking at Div II or III, who has an outside shot at something if he develops properly, grows a bit, gets coached up, etc. Then he gets distracted and lets his grades go into the dumper. Sure he'd probably make the Div II squad, maybe even start, one day, but that isn't the kind of guy they go out of the way to bend the rules for. But that kind of kid sometimes finds his way to the pros. It's a long shot, but it is a shot that sometimes pays off. That kid needs a good coach and a real tutor, not a fixer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 How do you explain all the thugs that are at some of the college programs around the country and can't speak a full sentence getting into those top flight universities? They certainly didn't have the grades. Schools will find a way if they really want you. When I was in HS our RB was very, very good. In the fall of our senior year he was offered scholarships to USC, ND, PSU.. almost any school you could think of. He gave up going to class and doing homework for the rest of the year, flunked the SAT's, and all the schools recinded their offers. He was very good, but not good enough to make the schools bend over backwards for him. Probably similar to your son's situation, except definitely nowhere near as high as a 2.7. Ans....the way it was explained to me the 2.7 is a little deceiving. They include all of his classes like gym and volleyball and home ec...you know cake classes. He is WAY lower in his CORE classes that the UC systems look at....more like at a 2.1 By the way there seems to be some kind of disconnect here....My son is not a top player or nationally ranked.....what people are failing to understand is that you can still be a very good player and not be a KNOWN player that teams will bend over backwards (I dont base my analysis on programs bending rules to get my son in...to me that is fools gold I base it on him actually being eligible. So should just the very top players or well known players from prominant high schools be the only ones who are "good enough"? How would you fill out your roster? The UC system schools in our area and similar requirement schools would be hard to get into now according to his school advisor....but there are private schools in the area that still might look at him. So for all of those folks who keep reading into my original post and take out what they want...... - My son is not going to play in the NFL - He isn't 4.4 6'5" 250 freakish athlete that eats small kittens....he is a 4.9, 6', 210 pound athlete who is also productive on the field. His type make it to college all the time so there is no reason to think that he cannot. - He screwed up this last year in a big way in his grades - We are upset because people were actually looking at him and he had a chance to go as high as Div I-AA, but all they were doing at this point was having him visit, talking to us from time to time, and waiting to see what he did his senior year - We feel that he has/had an opportunity that most dont get- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I don't think all this stuff is really that relevant to the root of John's troubles, but since it is out there... Agree 100% with this and was just responding to where the conversation turned. John's son is his own situation--a good footballer but not one of the national recruit studs like Oher was. I was just responding to the assertion that a good player with bad grades wouldn't get into a school. That's a load of BS. Unfortunately, if you're good enough, you'll be on a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 I don't think all this stuff is really that relevant to the root of John's troubles, but since it is out there... Yes if you are a SPECTACULAR talent, who will definitely make a Div 1 roster and be a star, then many football factory schools will find a way to let you in. The groundwork for that usually starts well before college admissions time, if I had to venture a guess. I'm guessing most of those kids have been identified early and "handled" so that everything is taken care of, and they work every angle to get tests marked as passed, and all available resources at play for when college entry time comes around. (Street agents and "family friends" make careers getting these kids into college, and the pros. They are the fixers.) But it's a little bit different for a bright and athletic kid, looking at Div II or III, who has an outside shot at something if he develops properly, grows a bit, gets coached up, etc. Then he gets distracted and lets his grades go into the dumper. Sure he'd probably make the Div II squad, maybe even start, one day, but that isn't the kind of guy they go out of the way to bend the rules for. But that kind of kid sometimes finds his way to the pros. It's a long shot, but it is a shot that sometimes pays off. That kid needs a good coach and a real tutor, not a fixer. \ As always the absolute voice of reason.....I know you talk of NFL in your post I totally stay away from it because the chance is so minute.....a education would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 \ As always the absolute voice of reason.....I know you talk of NFL in your post I totally stay away from it because the chance is so minute.....a education would be nice. That was simply to address those who were saying they KNEW he couldn't play pro (even though they never met him, saw him play, etc). I know you aren't thinking about the NFL, nor should you be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 That was simply to address those who were saying they KNEW he couldn't play pro (even though they never met him, saw him play, etc). I know you aren't thinking about the NFL, nor should you be. I still think he can outplay Ellison though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 \ As always the absolute voice of reason.....I know you talk of NFL in your post I totally stay away from it because the chance is so minute.....a education would be nice. An education would be nice? I really hope you just worded that very poorly and that was not a freudian slip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I still think he can outplay Ellison though..... This is a sad comment on the state of the Bills current roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 An education would be nice? I really hope you just worded that very poorly and that was not a freudian slip. Ya lost me..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Ya lost me..... Well if I had kids (and this thread is reaon 13,993 that I'm glad I don't) and education wouldn't be nice, it'd me mandetory. Oh and my wife and I have said many times our kids would hate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Well if I had kids (and this thread is reaon 13,993 that I'm glad I don't) and education wouldn't be nice, it'd me mandetory. Oh and my wife and I have said many times our kids would hate us. I took it as a colloquialism, an idiom, an expression...not as a measure of importance (or unimportance). "...would be nice..." It's a saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 I took it as a colloquialism, an idiom, an expression...not as a measure of importance (or unimportance). "...would be nice..." It's a saying. ahhhh.....gotcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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