John from Riverside Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 My son was being recruited to play football by as high as Div 1 AA schools and before last year looked like he was well on his way......I remember last year thinking just how proud I was going to be watching him put on that hat on signing day..... Things just fell apart this year academic wise (I am getting to the point where I hate pretty young girls and wished my son was a hideous mongloid instead of a good looking kid at least for the time being) and he just fell into a funk that I could not break him out of) THe damage is done......he has no way by the end of his senior year to get good enough grades in retaken core classes to get recruited for Div I football...... As we sat in his High School advisors office yesterday the look of disbelief on his face made my heart fall out of my chest and on the floor. I had been after him repeatedly over the course of this past year......tried to get him tutoring that he didn't want......tried to encourage him to budget his time a little better.....I even went to the girlfriend and tried to reason with her that she needed to stop monopolizing his time and bringing him so much drama as this was such a important time in his life.......my wife actually hated her and didn't want her anywhere near our house....I tried to be a mediator through it all. So there we sat.....my son dejected....the advisor tells him to leave the office as she wanted to talk to me alone. She has a special relationship with Brett and was also very upset he has pissed away this opportunity, but she wanted to make sure that I was aware of a few things: - Apparently due to the economy there over the past few years there has been a big push by Div I programs to not give so much scholarship money to incoming freshman players and it is being used to recruit JUCO players....reasons being they are already tested that they can handle college classes, have already been in college programs, are bigger, stronger overall players. - The cost of him starting out at a JUCO in this area is very beneficial financially wise for us (I was not certain I would even be able to afford for him to go to a Div I school unless he got a full ride and more and more they are starting to "divide up" scholarships and not give those free rides to players) then he can continue playing and get that scholarship a couple of years down the road. - He would actually get an extra year to complete his degree because he is academically eligible (this is complicated because right now he only has a 2.7 GPA and didnt do will on his SAT......but for juco purposes apparently he is fine) so he wouldn't have to be at the JUCO for 2 full years before transferring......he would red shirt his first year at the Div I then play the final 2 years and actually get 3 years of scholarship So not feeling so great about the whole thing still I walk out into the lobby and who should be standing there but his football head coach. We all ended up back int he counselors office discussion the whole thing and the coach explained that in a way this is very benificial to Brett because he had way more influence with local JUCO programs then he did with Div I's and could help get him into the best program to get him on his way to Div I I just wanted him to have choices dammit - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 that's not sad...its an opportunity...you and your son are 'lucky' to have that opportunity...hard work and perseverance will get him back on the original track. please do not be disappointed....you should be proud he has made it this far...good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Let's see...playing football and having bad knees by the age of 21 (if not already) or getting laid a lot. Hmmmm, it may be a sad day for you but a great day for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I just wanted him to have choices dammit - I sense your anguish - it is just hard to get kids to understand how their actions and decisions really do impact their future. At the same time, try to let this work out well for him. He has a chance - even if he has to go indirectly through a JUCO - of getting to an end point that he was hoping for. Keep in mind he did have choices (he apparently choose girls - not hard to do when you are a walking cesspool of adolescent hormones - and mismangement of his time). Hopefully he learns from this and ends up a better man as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Things could be worse. At least he likes girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 So not feeling so great about the whole thing still I walk out into the lobby and who should be standing there but his football head coach. We all ended up back int he counselors office discussion the whole thing and the coach explained that in a way this is very benificial to Brett because he had way more influence with local JUCO programs then he did with Div I's and could help get him into the best program to get him on his way to Div I I just wanted him to have choices dammit That ringing sound is a wake-up call - for you and your son! I have four grown children, so I am not talking philosophically, heh. This coach can help a LOT. It is up to your son now. You can advise him but you are not driving the car anymore. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 At least THIS did not happen to him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 that's not sad...its an opportunity...you and your son are 'lucky' to have that opportunity...hard work and perseverance will get him back on the original track. please do not be disappointed....you should be proud he has made it this far...good luck What the Pooj said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guffalo Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 At least THIS did not happen to him! Please clean up my keyboard, It seems as though my lunch just reappeared in a "forced" manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 That ringing sound is a wake-up call - for you and your son! I have four grown children, so I am not talking philosophically, heh. This coach can help a LOT. It is up to your son now. You can advise him but you are not driving the car anymore. Good luck! Actually Rock that is one of the things that I truly am having a hard time coping with.....I am NOT driving the car anymore...... I used to have a lot of influence and had a really good feeling about the way things were generally headed.....but not so much this past year. I just want my kids to turn out well.....I dont want them to look back on their lives 10 years from now telling stories of "what could have been" - I never finished high school and had to work 2 full time jobs to take care of my grandparents.....I eventually did go back to college before getting hurt (playing football) then joined the Air Force...... - My wife barely finished high school and never even considered going to college......she has a trade and does ok but...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 It sounds like you wanted all of that more than your son did. If he decides he wants this, he'll buckle down in the classroom and work hard on and off the field to accomplish his goals. But you can't try to help someone who doesn't want to help themselves. There is only so much you can do. Maybe his heart isn't in it, maybe it is, who knows? But if he wants to make it happen, and it certainly sounds like he's got the talent, it shouldn't be too difficult to get it done and get noticed. Scouts are everywhere these days, he'll be fine. But he has to commit himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 that's not sad...its an opportunity...you and your son are 'lucky' to have that opportunity...hard work and perseverance will get him back on the original track. please do not be disappointed....you should be proud he has made it this far...good luck That ringing sound is a wake-up call - for you and your son! I have four grown children, so I am not talking philosophically, heh. This coach can help a LOT. It is up to your son now. You can advise him but you are not driving the car anymore. Good luck! What they said. The alarm clock should be going off now. Tell him it's lots of fun now and nothing in the future or hard work now and a much brighter future. At least THIS did not happen to him! Why did you feel the need to post that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 It sounds like you wanted all of that more than your son did. If he decides he wants this, he'll buckle down in the classroom and work hard on and off the field to accomplish his goals. But you can't try to help someone who doesn't want to help themselves. There is only so much you can do. Maybe his heart isn't in it, maybe it is, who knows? But if he wants to make it happen, and it certainly sounds like he's got the talent, it shouldn't be too difficult to get it done and get noticed. Scouts are everywhere these days, he'll be fine. But he has to commit himself. Oh yes....I freely admit that I totally want this for him. The thing is.....I absolutely know that he wants to play FOOTBALL.......the thing that I see now is that the disconnect is he wants to play football much more then he wants to use it as an avenue to get a good education....where as the opposite is true for me. What I have had a hard time getting him to understand is he doesn't get one without the other. I am hoping that yesterdays events shook him enough for him to realize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 It sounds like you wanted all of that more than your son did. If he decides he wants this, he'll buckle down in the classroom and work hard on and off the field to accomplish his goals. But you can't try to help someone who doesn't want to help themselves. There is only so much you can do. Maybe his heart isn't in it, maybe it is, who knows? But if he wants to make it happen, and it certainly sounds like he's got the talent, it shouldn't be too difficult to get it done and get noticed. Scouts are everywhere these days, he'll be fine. But he has to commit himself. Oh yes....I freely admit that I totally want this for him. The thing is.....I absolutely know that he wants to play FOOTBALL.......the thing that I see now is that the disconnect is he wants to play football much more then he wants to use it as an avenue to get a good education....where as the opposite is true for me. What I have had a hard time getting him to understand is he doesn't get one without the other. I am hoping that yesterdays events shook him enough for him to realize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullpen Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 At least THIS did not happen to him! Fug dude!!! What's wrong with you!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Oh yes....I freely admit that I totally want this for him. The thing is.....I absolutely know that he wants to play FOOTBALL.......the thing that I see now is that the disconnect is he wants to play football much more then he wants to use it as an avenue to get a good education....where as the opposite is true for me. What I have had a hard time getting him to understand is he doesn't get one without the other. I am hoping that yesterdays events shook him enough for him to realize that. Oh yes....I freely admit that I totally want this for him. The thing is.....I absolutely know that he wants to play FOOTBALL.......the thing that I see now is that the disconnect is he wants to play football much more then he wants to use it as an avenue to get a good education....where as the opposite is true for me. What I have had a hard time getting him to understand is he doesn't get one without the other. I am hoping that yesterdays events shook him enough for him to realize that. Jeez, you'd think that after telling him twice it should sink in eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Fug dude!!! What's wrong with you!!!! Why couldn't you have posted this before I clicked on that link. But you have to admit he does have a point. Anytime you feel your having a bad day, just click on that link. Poof you "bad" day all of a sudden seems so much brighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 i saw something as i passed the mouse over the link about possible protrusions through body parts and that was enough to keep me from clicking...now i am glad i didnt Why couldn't you have posted this before I clicked on that link. But you have to admit he does have a point. Anytime you feel your having a bad day, just click on that link. Poof you "bad" day all of a sudden seems so much brighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Oh yes....I freely admit that I totally want this for him. The thing is.....I absolutely know that he wants to play FOOTBALL.......the thing that I see now is that the disconnect is he wants to play football much more then he wants to use it as an avenue to get a good education....where as the opposite is true for me. What I have had a hard time getting him to understand is he doesn't get one without the other. I am hoping that yesterdays events shook him enough for him to realize that. I have no idea how to get this message across but it sure is the one you need to get through to him. In 4-5 years, he'll play his last pads/arena football game ever. But the education he gets during those years will carry him through the 50-60 years left in his life after that. I am not one to wax on that a college education is worth a ton in the real world (outside the sciences). But--and it's a big but--a college degree opens doors that a high school diploma never will. It's not necessarily always fair but it's a fact. I saw Justice Scalia interviewed about this once and I'll paraphrase his response and put quotes around it, even thought it's not precisely what he said. "I won't interview a person from a non-Ivy League school. I also won't interview anyone not in the top 5% of their class. Why bother? If a candidate is in the top 5% of the best schools in the country, the odds are that they are the best and brightest possible candidates to be a Supreme Court clerk. Is it always right? Of course not. But it's better to look for diamonds in a coal mine than a forest." I'm sure he was both more eloquent and abrasive but you get the idea. That college degree matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 My son was being recruited to play football by as high as Div 1 AA schools and before last year looked like he was well on his way......I remember last year thinking just how proud I was going to be watching him put on that hat on signing day..... Things just fell apart this year academic wise (I am getting to the point where I hate pretty young girls and wished my son was a hideous mongloid instead of a good looking kid at least for the time being) and he just fell into a funk that I could not break him out of) THe damage is done......he has no way by the end of his senior year to get good enough grades in retaken core classes to get recruited for Div I football...... As we sat in his High School advisors office yesterday the look of disbelief on his face made my heart fall out of my chest and on the floor. I had been after him repeatedly over the course of this past year......tried to get him tutoring that he didn't want......tried to encourage him to budget his time a little better.....I even went to the girlfriend and tried to reason with her that she needed to stop monopolizing his time and bringing him so much drama as this was such a important time in his life.......my wife actually hated her and didn't want her anywhere near our house....I tried to be a mediator through it all. So there we sat.....my son dejected....the advisor tells him to leave the office as she wanted to talk to me alone. She has a special relationship with Brett and was also very upset he has pissed away this opportunity, but she wanted to make sure that I was aware of a few things: - Apparently due to the economy there over the past few years there has been a big push by Div I programs to not give so much scholarship money to incoming freshman players and it is being used to recruit JUCO players....reasons being they are already tested that they can handle college classes, have already been in college programs, are bigger, stronger overall players. - The cost of him starting out at a JUCO in this area is very beneficial financially wise for us (I was not certain I would even be able to afford for him to go to a Div I school unless he got a full ride and more and more they are starting to "divide up" scholarships and not give those free rides to players) then he can continue playing and get that scholarship a couple of years down the road. - He would actually get an extra year to complete his degree because he is academically eligible (this is complicated because right now he only has a 2.7 GPA and didnt do will on his SAT......but for juco purposes apparently he is fine) so he wouldn't have to be at the JUCO for 2 full years before transferring......he would red shirt his first year at the Div I then play the final 2 years and actually get 3 years of scholarship So not feeling so great about the whole thing still I walk out into the lobby and who should be standing there but his football head coach. We all ended up back int he counselors office discussion the whole thing and the coach explained that in a way this is very benificial to Brett because he had way more influence with local JUCO programs then he did with Div I's and could help get him into the best program to get him on his way to Div I I just wanted him to have choices dammit - Couple things here John. First, not the end of the world, after 2 years of Juco, with him keeping his grades up, if he is good enough some D-1 program will scoop him. Especially being out in California(where there are a ton of schools, Cal, UCLA, USC, Fresno St etc...) they will be right in his backyard to get a first hand look at him. 2nd what the hell is wrong with a 2.7 GPA. Unless they totally redid the GPA since I been in school. That should be more then enough to play & get into a division 1a school. Hell, I graduated with a 2.6 from SU & I was fuggin thrilled . (I have low expectations of myself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 But you have to admit he does have a point. Anytime you feel your having a bad day, just click on that link. Poof you "bad" day all of a sudden seems so much brighter. At least someone recognizes this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I have no idea how to get this message across but it sure is the one you need to get through to him. In 4-5 years, he'll play his last pads/arena football game ever. But the education he gets during those years will carry him through the 50-60 years left in his life after that. I am not one to wax on that a college education is worth a ton in the real world (outside the sciences). But--and it's a big but--a college degree opens doors that a high school diploma never will. It's not necessarily always fair but it's a fact. I saw Justice Scalia interviewed about this once and I'll paraphrase his response and put quotes around it, even thought it's not precisely what he said. "I won't interview a person from a non-Ivy League school. I also won't interview anyone not in the top 5% of their class. Why bother? If a candidate is in the top 5% of the best schools in the country, the odds are that they are the best and brightest possible candidates to be a Supreme Court clerk. Is it always right? Of course not. But it's better to look for diamonds in a coal mine than a forest." I'm sure he was both more eloquent and abrasive but you get the idea. That college degree matters. My boss (well he was my boss until I got promoted) played football at Pitt. He was a punter. He took a financial planning course and his professor said you're going to need this course one way or another. Either you'll make it in the NFL and you'll need to know how to manage money or you'll be a statistic and you'll need a career. Of course the latter happened and he'll make so much more over his lifetime doing what he's doing now than he could ever imagine if he was a punter for a few years in the NFL. BTW he played with Reuben Brown and Alex Van Pelt and is still good friends with them today. He also tried out for the Bills in the early 90's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeFerguson Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 OJ did two years of JuCo before going to USC. Your son isn't going to get into the NFL. He also doesn't need football to get a good education. Send him to JuCo and if he gets good grades he could get another type of scholarship to a 4 year school. You seem to put all your hopes for your kids into unattainable ambitions. You want your son to be a pro football player and your daughter to be a professional recording artist. Why don't you just have them focus on getting good grades and pursuing decent careers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 OJ did two years of JuCo before going to USC. Junior Corrections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I have no idea how to get this message across but it sure is the one you need to get through to him. In 4-5 years, he'll play his last pads/arena football game ever. But the education he gets during those years will carry him through the 50-60 years left in his life after that. I am not one to wax on that a college education is worth a ton in the real world (outside the sciences). But--and it's a big but--a college degree opens doors that a high school diploma never will. It's not necessarily always fair but it's a fact. I saw Justice Scalia interviewed about this once and I'll paraphrase his response and put quotes around it, even thought it's not precisely what he said. "I won't interview a person from a non-Ivy League school. I also won't interview anyone not in the top 5% of their class. Why bother? If a candidate is in the top 5% of the best schools in the country, the odds are that they are the best and brightest possible candidates to be a Supreme Court clerk. Is it always right? Of course not. But it's better to look for diamonds in a coal mine than a forest." I'm sure he was both more eloquent and abrasive but you get the idea. That college degree matters. While I agree with your basic point(s) Scalia represents all that is wrong about the Ivies (I have a degree from Cornell so I feel at liberty to say this). The quality of the education I received there was no better than my undergraduate one. Yes the resources were fantastic and the students were smart (and most were very driven). However, to suggest that top students from other schools are not deserving of consideration is short sighted and IMO stupid. Not to mention over the years some of the most successful, talented and intelligent individuals I have ever met may not have even obtained a college degree at all. With all of that said getting a college degree will, on average, make it easier for anyone to navigate life as we know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 OJ did two years of JuCo before going to USC. Your son isn't going to get into the NFL. He also doesn't need football to get a good education. Send him to JuCo and if he gets good grades he could get another type of scholarship to a 4 year school. You seem to put all your hopes for your kids into unattainable ambitions. You want your son to be a pro football player and your daughter to be a professional recording artist. Why don't you just have them focus on getting good grades and pursuing decent careers? So are have you scouted his son's entire football career, or are you just Ms. Cleo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 i think he is playing the odds....numbers back him up So are have you scouted his son's entire football career, or are you just Ms. Cleo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 i think he is playing the odds....numbers back him up Playing the odds would be "your son is most likely not going to the NFL." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Playing the odds would be "your son is most likely not going to the NFL." I'm pretty sure his son is white so no the original line was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 we will agree to disagree on the semantics Playing the odds would be "your son is most likely not going to the NFL." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I'm pretty sure his son is white so no the original line was correct. I don't know which part of that sentence is funnier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 we will agree to disagree on the semantics What is there to disagree about? The odds don't say his son "won't get into the NFL"... if they did, that would mean the numbers are 0 out of everyone make it to the NFL. Since the number is very small... the odds are that you probably will not make it, or that it will be very difficult. There's really no arguing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I don't know which part of that sentence is funnier. "Ummmm Honey, I just noticed something. We need to talk..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeFerguson Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 So are have you scouted his son's entire football career, or are you just Ms. Cleo? Would you like to make a bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Would you like to make a bet? I'm assuming in reference to if he'll make the NFL or not, and to that, I'll ask you what does that have to do with what you said? Thinking that he won't make it and saying that he definitely won't are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 While I agree with your basic point(s) Scalia represents all that is wrong about the Ivies (I have a degree from Cornell so I feel at liberty to say this). The quality of the education I received there was no better than my undergraduate one. Yes the resources were fantastic and the students were smart (and most were very driven). However, to suggest that top students from other schools are not deserving of consideration is short sighted and IMO stupid. Not to mention over the years some of the most successful, talented and intelligent individuals I have ever met may not have even obtained a college degree at all. With all of that said getting a college degree will, on average, make it easier for anyone to navigate life as we know it. There's even more to the Scalia quote. As I recall now, it was an interview. (I think it was at lawprose.org but I'm not sure.) He admitted that one of his best clerks was someone who wasn't from an Ivy and freely knows that he's missing out on perhaps the best and brightest people out there. His point was one of efficiency: why search to dig out the bright guy who had a couple bad semesters when his mom was sick--or that is working 2 jobs while in school? Maybe those were the cause of the bad grades that made him slip out of the top 5% or not get into an Ivy but for every one of those people you meet, there are hundreds who are plain old B students. By starting with the straight-A Ivy students, he gaurantees a certain level of hard work and intelligence. From there, he can interview and weed for the true genius. You have to admit that your odds of bumping into an exceptionally bright person with straight As at Princeton are better than looking to the B+ students at Villanova. It's not a perfect formula but if you're looking to do it efficiently, his way makes sense. If the guy at Villanova is truly a genius, he'll do well anyway--just won't get the job with Scalia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 sometimes you have to take a comment in the spirit is was given, and not be so literal about it....sure there is a chance of him making the NFL...but if i had the money to do so, I would place that 'bet/certainty' now....and i hope this does not come across as a slam against John's son, that is not the intention....not sure how many people play high school football with dreams of playing college football...then those that play college football that have dreams of playing in the NFL...then those that are drafted(is is around 250 total)....and those that actually make a team..... What is there to disagree about? The odds don't say his son "won't get into the NFL"... if they did, that would mean the numbers are 0 out of everyone make it to the NFL. Since the number is very small... the odds are that you probably will not make it, or that it will be very difficult. There's really no arguing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 OJ did two years of JuCo before going to USC. Your son isn't going to get into the NFL. He also doesn't need football to get a good education. Send him to JuCo and if he gets good grades he could get another type of scholarship to a 4 year school. You seem to put all your hopes for your kids into unattainable ambitions. You want your son to be a pro football player and your daughter to be a professional recording artist. Why don't you just have them focus on getting good grades and pursuing decent careers? I think it is great that people track my posts so closely as to remember my previous ones....it shows that you care as fellow bills fan and I thank you for that...... I think you are actually correct that he is not going to the NFL.....he is a undersized DE who has coverage ability so his natural position past high school is OLB. I am not sure if he will ever hit the height/weight proportions to get serious consideration past college. My hopes are for my children to be successful in life no matter what they do.....that is why education and the ability to be self supportive are MY hopes for my children.....my son loves playing football and my daughter loves to perform.....both of them are fortunate enough to have legit chances at doing what they love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeFerguson Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I'm assuming in reference to if he'll make the NFL or not, and to that, I'll ask you what does that have to do with what you said? Thinking that he won't make it and saying that he definitely won't are two different things. I think he won't make it to the NFL and I know he won't make it to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Playing the odds would be "your son is most likely not going to the NFL." Its ok...I am not offended by that in fact it is pretty realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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