Lurker Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Not true. He is good at being sub mediocre. 90% of TSW fits that description as well these days. I guess ten years of missing the playoffs will empty out a place eventually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 90% of TSW fits that description as well these days. I guess ten years of missing the playoffs will empty out a place eventually... Not true....the stadium's still full on game day....I don't know if that speaks to our fans' resiliency or our masochistic nature... Go Bills in 2010...when we have a new head coach who doesn't play to not lose but plays to win. I love the Bills but a leopard won't change his spots; Jauron won't get this team over the hump, he's proven he's not capable of it. Only in Buffalo could a coach piss away a 5-1 start and still be welcomed with open arms by some people.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Not true....the stadium's still full on game day....I don't know if that speaks to our fans' resiliency or our masochistic nature... Go Bills in 2010...when we have a new head coach who doesn't play to not lose but plays to win. I love the Bills but a leopard won't change his spots; Jauron won't get this team over the hump, he's proven he's not capable of it. Only in Buffalo could a coach piss away a 5-1 start and still be welcomed with open arms by some people.... (i think he was referring to people like me being dum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 (i think he was referring to people like me being dum) Ahhhhh..... (Color me dumb too....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest three3 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 that's because he is a coward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 that's because he is a coward Says the guy posting from a computer chair about an ex-NFL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I don't know how you can say anyone is riding the short bus when you lack serious reading comprehension. My original statement said that Jauron had a better record (win % wise) than Belichick PRE-BRADY. Since apparrntly, you struggle with the term pre, I'll explain further. Pre refers to before. So I was comparing Belichick's record before Brady. Brady entered the picture after the Pats* were 0-1 in 2001. So including that 0-1 (since it was before Brady played), his career record was 41-56 or a winning % of .422. He had exactly 1 playoff win in 2 games. Jauron's record is 57-76 or a winning % of .429. Jauron is 0-1 in the playoffs. So PRE-BRADY, DJ had a better winning %. So the point is that this guy, BB, that everyone thinks is this mastermind had a worse record than the guy you think is the worst coach ever. But I'm sure given BB's success PRE-BRADY, he would have been winning Super Bowls with the likes of Matthews, Miller, Losman, & McNown. Exactly...very well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 While I agree there is little to be gained by trashing DJ I am not sure why you feel compelled to defend him. Let's all hope DJ turns it around this year but his record suggests he will not. As far as the "very good offseason" goes only time will tell. We essentially have an all new o-line. Clearly a high risk potentially high reward situation. If it works the Bills FO will be hailed as geniuses. If not, we add to years of frustration and start looking for a new coach and GM. Thats why I said, at this moment based on what we know of the players we obtained, it has been a very good offseason and every reason to be optimistic. Only time will tell if the draft was as good as it looks on paper (5 top rated players at 5 different need positions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 If we switched coaching staffs with the Dolphins last season, the Bills win the AFC East and the Dolphins finish last. That's how big of a difference coaching was. Can't make it any clearer than that. The only thing you made clear with that post is that you dont know anything about football if you believe that to be true. Why do all the DJ blamers over look the fact that Trent went for 3 TD's and 10 Turnovers in his 4 divisional games? Why do they forget JP had a QB rating in the 50's in his two divisional games? Why do you ignore that Trent had 6 HORRIBLE, not even sort of bad, but flat out horrible games in his last 8 of the season? You think some rookie HC was going to change that using a new system? About as dumb of a statement as I have seen on here. You can NOT win in this league with QB play like that unless your D is top 3...scary thing is, that DESPITE all the QB struggles, DJ still has in position to win every game last year but one (AZ). Not to mention the injuries... Like someone else mentioned, BEFORE Brady, BB in NE had a very similar record to DJ, in fact DJ has a slightly higher win % over those 8 years as BB had in his 8 years pre Brady. A QB will either KILL your coach or make him a HERO...DJ has never once, not one single season, ever had a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Not true....the stadium's still full on game day....I don't know if that speaks to our fans' resiliency or our masochistic nature... Go Bills in 2010...when we have a new head coach who doesn't play to not lose but plays to win. I love the Bills but a leopard won't change his spots; Jauron won't get this team over the hump, he's proven he's not capable of it. Only in Buffalo could a coach piss away a 5-1 start and still be welcomed with open arms by some people.... Werent you one of the idiots calling for Gruden who lost his last 4 games last year and pissed away the divison lead to miss the playoffs? The same guy who only had to beat the lowly Raiders in the last game of season to get in but lost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 The only thing you made clear with that post is that you dont know anything about football if you believe that to be true. Why do all the DJ blamers over look the fact that Trent went for 3 TD's and 10 Turnovers in his 4 divisional games? Why do they forget JP had a QB rating in the 50's in his two divisional games? Why do you ignore that Trent had 6 HORRIBLE, not even sort of bad, but flat out horrible games in his last 8 of the season? Why do you over look the fact that in those same stretch of games, Trent outright came out and said (and I'm paraphrasing here) that he wasn't prepared for what those defenses threw at him? Who's job is it to prepare him?!? I know it's not Dicky J's directly, but he sure as f#ck have a good grip as to why his QB feels unprepared!!! You bring in a rookie offensive co-ordinator and a young QB coach and you're surprised he struggles (particularly against 3-4 defenses). You think at some point, our venerable coaching staff would TRAIN him on how to react to a 3-4. This staff is just as responsible for Trent's shortcomings as Trent is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 The only thing you made clear with that post is that you dont know anything about football if you believe that to be true. Why do all the DJ blamers over look the fact that Trent went for 3 TD's and 10 Turnovers in his 4 divisional games? Why do they forget JP had a QB rating in the 50's in his two divisional games? Why do you ignore that Trent had 6 HORRIBLE, not even sort of bad, but flat out horrible games in his last 8 of the season? Trent finished poorly overall, but what you keep ignoring (the pain over your personal loss is still overwhelming, isn't it? Let him go.) is that, after the nightmarish 1st Q in CLE, he played the rest of the season (19 Q's) with only 1 turnover and 3 sacks. Which is something. You think some rookie HC was going to change that using a new system? About as dumb of a statement as I have seen on here. Really? Anyway...John Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Tony Sparano were "Some rookie HCs" who changed their teams with a "new system". Like someone else mentioned, BEFORE Brady, BB in NE had a very similar record to DJ, in fact DJ has a slightly higher win % over those 8 years as BB had in his 8 years pre Brady. A QB will either KILL your coach or make him a HERO...DJ has never once, not one single season, ever had a QB. 2006? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Werent you one of the idiots calling for Gruden who lost his last 4 games last year and pissed away the divison lead to miss the playoffs? The same guy who only had to beat the lowly Raiders in the last game of season to get in but lost... Superbowls won by Jon Gruden = 1 Playoff games won by Dick Jauron = 0 And then we'll get into the comparisons of winning seasons. The only idiots I see here are those that continue to make excuses for Limp Dick's losing ways. Yourself included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Trent finished poorly overall, but what you keep ignoring (the pain over your personal loss is still overwhelming, isn't it? Let him go.) is that, after the nightmarish 1st Q in CLE, he played the rest of the season (19 Q's) with only 1 turnover and 3 sacks. Which is something. Really? Anyway...John Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Tony Sparano were "Some rookie HCs" who changed their teams with a "new system". 2006? No? It's okay WEO, when Dick gets fired from Buffalo (or his three years run out), he can join JP at the PhotoLab since no one in the NFL would be dumb enough to offer them jobs again. Alphadawg's patronage will keep them in business for years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 "Coaching cost us games" is such an unbelievably myopic throw away line. If you're going to simplify the game to that degree, then don't even bother learning the players' names, ignore the fact that players make more than coaches, and keep convincing yourself that coaches, not players, make all the mistakes. I am not going to argue that the players make mistakes and the coaches are not entirely to blame but let's look at the games in question: 1. Cleveland - TE played his worst career game and Lindell missed a game winning FG. When all is said and done, the Bills had the ball at the Cleveland 30 with a minute to play. DJ decided to run the clock and kick the 47 yarder. 47 yards is not a "chip shot" field goal you settle on. You take it, if that's your only choice. If they attempted to move the football even 10 yards closer, the chance of having a successful field goal goes up dramatically. Coaching mistake. 2. NYJ - Bills have the ball with less than 2 minutes left and a 4 point lead and the Jets have 1 Timeout. Turk calls for a run (Lynch avg 6 ypc), DJ overrules and calls a pass. Losman, one of the most sacked QB's per dropback of all-time, gets sacked and fumbles. Blame should be put on Losman, but this is a run, run, run, punt situation. Losman shouldn't have been in the situation to begin with. Coaching mistake. 3. SF - This game can be blamed on Ryan Lindell as the Bills lost 10-3 and he missed 2 field goals (including one from 20 yds out). However DJ again had questionable calls - 2nd Qtr -Bills running thru SF like a hot knife thru butter have 2nd and goal from the 2, after a FJ 5 yd run. 2 bad pass calls - either run the fade or jam it down their throats. Bills settle for a missed FG. 3rd Qtr - DJ elects to punt from the 37 of SF trailing by 10 on a windless afternoon. 4th Qtr (11min left, trailing by 7), DJ calls a pass on 4 and 2 from the 7 - not necessarily a bad call except for the fact they call a slow-developing pass and Losman almost gets sacked before trying to force the ball to Evans. A better coached game, this is a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Really? Anyway...John Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Tony Sparano were "Some rookie HCs" who changed their teams with a "new system". Harbaugh didnt change that team, that team was already put together, but he did add a capable QB in Flacco. Smith had a completely DIFFERENT team, especially on offense...Lets see, maybe the rushing champ and Matt Ryan combo helped him here... Soprano again had a completely rebuilt team with a very good verteran QB added, and lots of solid new players brough in. So, those examples are not even remotely close to Buffalo. Those rookie cocahces would not have changed the sorry QB play we had in Buffalo last year as they had the same players to work with as DJ...Another ignorant post by you... Oh, and whats the common theme in those 3 succesful rookie coaches? A BRAND NEW QB WHO PLAYED WELL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I am not going to argue that the players make mistakes and the coaches are not entirely to blame but let's look at the games in question: 1. Cleveland - TE played his worst career game and Lindell missed a game winning FG. When all is said and done, the Bills had the ball at the Cleveland 30 with a minute to play. DJ decided to run the clock and kick the 47 yarder. 47 yards is not a "chip shot" field goal you settle on. You take it, if that's your only choice. If they attempted to move the football even 10 yards closer, the chance of having a successful field goal goes up dramatically. Coaching mistake. You just stated that TE played the worst game of his life. So right there, DJ is in trouble. Should he risk passing again with this struggling QB or a potential fumble to pick up a few more yards & potentially risk a GW field goal? Imagine the outrage if that would have happen. Either way, I just saw Phil Dawson kick a 54 yard fg that would have been good from 60+. Lindell missed a 47 yarder. Player fault. 2. NYJ - Bills have the ball with less than 2 minutes left and a 4 point lead and the Jets have 1 Timeout. Turk calls for a run (Lynch avg 6 ypc), DJ overrules and calls a pass. Losman, one of the most sacked QB's per dropback of all-time, gets sacked and fumbles. Blame should be put on Losman, but this is a run, run, run, punt situation. Losman shouldn't have been in the situation to begin with. Coaching mistake. A rollout is a very safe play and they were trying to pick up a first to put the game away. If Belicihick does this with his HOF QB, he is going for the knockout punch. Unfortunately, our "pro bowl" LT misses blocking a 200 lbs. safety and Losman is Losman. Player fault. 3. SF - This game can be blamed on Ryan Lindell as the Bills lost 10-3 and he missed 2 field goals (including one from 20 yds out). However DJ again had questionable calls - 2nd Qtr -Bills running thru SF like a hot knife thru butter have 2nd and goal from the 2, after a FJ 5 yd run. 2 bad pass calls - either run the fade or jam it down their throats. Bills settle for a missed FG. 3rd Qtr - DJ elects to punt from the 37 of SF trailing by 10 on a windless afternoon. 4th Qtr (11min left, trailing by 7), DJ calls a pass on 4 and 2 from the 7 - not necessarily a bad call except for the fact they call a slow-developing pass and Losman almost gets sacked before trying to force the ball to Evans. A better coached game, this is a win. Edwards got hurt, Losman and Lindell suck. Player fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Harbaugh didnt change that team, that team was already put together, but he did add a capable QB in Flacco. Smith had a completely DIFFERENT team, especially on offense...Lets see, maybe the rushing champ and Matt Ryan combo helped him here... Soprano again had a completely rebuilt team with a very good verteran QB added, and lots of solid new players brough in. So, those examples are not even remotely close to Buffalo. Those rookie cocahces would not have changed the sorry QB play we had in Buffalo last year as they had the same players to work with as DJ...Another ignorant post by you... Oh, and whats the common theme in those 3 succesful rookie coaches? A BRAND NEW QB WHO PLAYED WELL Agree with most of this but I disagree about the QB part. Edwards had better numbers than Flacco and numbers slighty worse than Ryan. However, the Falcons had the best rb in football and the Ravens have a dominant defense. Those 2 things can carry teams and make up for a young QBs struggles. We didn't have that in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 You just stated that TE played the worst game of his life. So right there, DJ is in trouble. Should he risk passing again with this struggling QB or a potential fumble to pick up a few more yards & potentially risk a GW field goal? Imagine the outrage if that would have happen. Either way, I just saw Phil Dawson kick a 54 yard fg that would have been good from 60+. Lindell missed a 47 yarder. Player fault. A rollout is a very safe play and they were trying to pick up a first to put the game away. If Belicihick does this with his HOF QB, he is going for the knockout punch. Unfortunately, our "pro bowl" LT misses blocking a 200 lbs. safety and Losman is Losman. Player fault. Edwards got hurt, Losman and Lindell suck. Player fault. I've also seen Sebastion Janikowski kick a ball 70 yds in practice, doesn't mean its a high probablility play. Last year, this team had the talent to make the playoffs and due to questionable play calling and squandered opportunities, the team lost. The game is played by men, who are not infallable (nor is the coaching, I might add). A coach's responsibility is to be able to help the team overcome such mistakes by putting them in positions with a high-probabilty chance of success. DJ has failed to do so in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I've also seen Sebastion Janikowski kick a ball 70 yds in practice, doesn't mean its a high probablility play. Last year, this team had the talent to make the playoffs and due to questionable play calling and squandered opportunities, the team lost. The game is played by men, who are not infallable (nor is the coaching, I might add). A coach's responsibility is to be able to help the team overcome such mistakes by putting them in positions with a high-probabilty chance of success. DJ has failed to do so in the past. Coaching in the NFl is so overrated. Players win or lose games. Answer this question honestly: talent-wise last season, how many teams were we better than??? Not many my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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