Alphadawg7 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Ok, they are opening up the lines to callers about who will be the 2009 version of the 2008 cardinals... Some yahoo called in and said that the Bills will be the 2009 version of 2008 cardinals...fine...when he said why, he mentioned several reasons and one of which was that Lynch was best RB in division...fine...no problem with any of this because it was just a call in caller and he's probably a Bills fan so its to be expected... BUT then, the BROADCASTERS commented back that they felt Thomas Jones was the best RB in the division...maybe I am crazy, but I was shocked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 Ok, they are opening up the lines to callers about who will be the 2009 version of the 2008 cardinals... Some yahoo called in and said that the Bills will be the 2009 version of 2008 cardinals...fine...when he said why, he mentioned several reasons and one of which was that Lynch was best RB in division...fine...no problem with any of this because it was just a call in caller and he's probably a Bills fan so its to be expected... BUT then, the BROADCASTERS commented back that they felt Thomas Jones was the best RB in the division...maybe I am crazy, but I was shocked... T. Jones is solid, but to say he is better than Lynch is hard to believe...Put either Lynch or Jackson behind that Jets line and they both would out produce him in my opinnion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 screw that. they're crazy. before this year, the label on thomas jones was damn near a bust. i'd say he's solid more than superstar, and he's not going to get any better than he produced last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornerville Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 It is ESPN. Do you expect anything different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I suppose that a statistical argument could be made that he was a better RB in 2008, but what about next year? Thomas Jones is going to be 31 years old when the regular season starts. Even if I believed he were better than Lynch right now, I would not trade Lynch for him, even for just the upcoming season. At his age, he's probably just about done. Curtis Martin, for example, had the best season of his career in 2004, but fell apart in 2005 and retired at the end of the season. The same will happen to Jones soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I'd say that Ronnie Brown might be the best RB in the division. But I have no doubt Lynch is better than Thomas Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 screw that. they're crazy. before this year, the label on thomas jones was damn near a bust. Really? In the past 5 seasons, Jones has rushed for nearly 6,000 yards and his yards per rush average has been @ or near 4.0 (4.0 to 4.3 to 4.1 to 3.6 to 4.5) each season. Who is labeling that kind of production a bust? I don't think he's the greatest back in the league or anything, but to say he's a "bust" is nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 Really? In the past 5 seasons, Jones has rushed for nearly 6,000 yards and his yards per rush average has been @ or near 4.0 (4.0 to 4.3 to 4.1 to 3.6 to 4.5) each season. Who is labeling that kind of production a bust? I don't think he's the greatest back in the league or anything, but to say he's a "bust" is nonsense. Agreed...no way he is better than Lynch, and I don't even think he is better than our backup Jackson to be honest at this point. However, he was been a starting caliber RB, effective, and solid in Chicago and NYJ. He hasnt been labeled a bust since he got out of AZ and is a good RB, but not the best in our division. Lynch, Brown and Jackson are better than him in my opinnion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Really? In the past 5 seasons, Jones has rushed for nearly 6,000 yards and his yards per rush average has been @ or near 4.0 (4.0 to 4.3 to 4.1 to 3.6 to 4.5) each season. Who is labeling that kind of production a bust? I don't think he's the greatest back in the league or anything, but to say he's a "bust" is nonsense. Yeah Ever since Jones got out of Arizona he's been a consistently good runningback. He's not gonna push hard for those extra yards the way Lynch will, but he's shifty, and a reliable receiving option. He's also really good in blitz pickup. Nothing bad to say about him here. I prefer Lynch cause he's really young, and has time to improve, but Jones is the farthest thing from a bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 screw that. they're crazy. before this year, the label on thomas jones was damn near a bust. i'd say he's solid more than superstar, and he's not going to get any better than he produced last year. I don't know anyone who was labeling Thomas Jones a bust. He's actually pretty damn solid. Many Bears fans were kind of pissed they got rid of him. That being said, I personally would take Lynch. The Lynch/Jackson combo is pretty strong, IMO. At the very best, Jones would be a lateral talent swap, and I still don't think that would be equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Ok, they are opening up the lines to callers about who will be the 2009 version of the 2008 cardinals... Some yahoo called in and said that the Bills will be the 2009 version of 2008 cardinals...fine...when he said why, he mentioned several reasons and one of which was that Lynch was best RB in division...fine...no problem with any of this because it was just a call in caller and he's probably a Bills fan so its to be expected... BUT then, the BROADCASTERS commented back that they felt Thomas Jones was the best RB in the division...maybe I am crazy, but I was shocked... Bills might have the best overall talent in the division, but with this coaching staff, we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Bills might have the best overall talent in the division, but with this coaching staff, we'll never know. Well, let's guess ourselves...... QB - No RB - Yes WR - No TE - No OL - No DL - No LB - No CB - Yes S - No ST - Yes So, nahhhh, we don't have the best talent in the division. And, you are right, we also don't have the best coaching in the division. Not a good combo, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Yeah Mr. Lynch who is just a redo of Travis Henry minus the fumbles. Runs real hard in a straight line. No cut, no blocking ability, no catching ability. But hey he gives you 100% as long as it's a straight line. Thanks, but I'll take a pack of used gum and a second string Wr in trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJPearl2 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Well, they said it on the radio, so it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 So, what's the argument? Well, there's no argument.... look at the data. Jones finished 5th in rushing, Lynch 13th. Jones average per carry was almost a half yard more than Lynch. Jones had 5 more TDs than did Lynch. an added note... Ronnie Brown ranked 19th, and had more TDs than Lynch and a higher per carry average. So, yeah... Jones is the man in the division. End of story. Oh... and the Bills are not the 2009 version of the Arizona Cardinals. You drink that koolaid and you enable the Bills continuance of delivering a substandard product on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Yeah Mr. Lynch who is just a redo of Travis Henry minus the fumbles. Runs real hard in a straight line. No cut, no blocking ability, no catching ability. But hey he gives you 100% as long as it's a straight line. Thanks, but I'll take a pack of used gum and a second string Wr in trade for him. you forgot that he has trouble with the play book and can't remember where to run on most plays. Thomas Jones was the most productive RB in the NFL over the 2nd half of 2008. Lynch is a plugger, but has limited skills for being the 12th pick in the draft. You need a true gamebreaker for a very high #1 pick. Jackson is the more dangerous player, but our crackerjack coaches and talent evaluators could not figure out what they had in JAckson (or Jabari Greer or countless others) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Oh... and the Bills are not the 2009 version of the Arizona Cardinals. You drink that koolaid and you enable the Bills continuance of delivering a substandard product on the field. Nobody here said that, the caller on the radio show said that...all I said was that I was didnt care that he said that as he was just a fan calling in on a radio show... By the way, you put Lynch in NY this past year behind the jets line and respected passing game with Farve, and he too puts up those numbers and probably exceeds them...the ineptness of our QB and our O line diminishes his stats... Hard to avg 4.5 or more yards a carry when you are being nailed at the line of scrimmage or in the backfield constantly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Nobody here said that, the caller on the radio show said that...all I said was that I was didnt care that he said that as he was just a fan calling in on a radio show... By the way, you put Lynch in NY this past year behind the jets line and respected passing game with Farve, and he too puts up those numbers and probably exceeds them...the ineptness of our QB and our O line diminishes his stats... Hard to avg 4.5 or more yards a carry when you are being nailed at the line of scrimmage or in the backfield constantly... As the great Bill Parcells once said "you are you're record in the NFL"... meaning that we all might think Lynch is a better running back than Thomas Jones (though I am not sure, I think TJ has been one of the most underrated players in the leauge the last 4 or 5 years), but Lynch hasn't been as productive as Jones, for a myriad of reasons, most of them not his own... you can't judge Lynch to be better than Jones, if he hasn't done what Jones has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 TJ made the pro bowl and was the leading rusher in the AFC this year,so not shocking to me. What was shocking to me was the fact that Lynch is the best running back in the division but the Bills didn't utilize him very often at the beginning of the season. On a team that would use play action passing more often and were dedicated to running the ball, Lynch would have a 1500+ yard season,barring injury of course. So yea, Lynch is the best beast in the AFC East IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 TJ made the pro bowl and was the leading rusher in the AFC this year,so not shocking to me. What was shocking to me was the fact that Lynch is the best running back in the division but the Bills didn't utilize him very often at the beginning of the season. On a team that would use play action passing more often and were dedicated to running the ball, Lynch would have a 1500+ yard season,barring injury of course. So yea, Lynch is the best beast in the AFC East IMO. No because you basically know that once Lynch doesn't get the ball, you don't have to worry about covering him. Just like when we had Morris and Travis. You knew when Travis was in you were either passing with only 10 men on the field or if Morris came in it was a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsObserver Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Yeah Mr. Lynch who is just a redo of Travis Henry minus the fumbles. Runs real hard in a straight line. No cut, no blocking ability, no catching ability. But hey he gives you 100% as long as it's a straight line. Thanks, but I'll take a pack of used gum and a second string Wr in trade for him. I understand Lynch isn't the premier back everyone was expecting him to be but there are many things the guy does that other teams would love to have. Besides running hard as you mention, he makes plays when there aren't any to be made. I can't count the number of times he broke tackles for a critical first down in certain games. Or when he pushed a pile for just a few extra yards. I think his blocking has improved. His catching ability has been a disappointment since arriving. A redo of Travis Henry minus the fumbles, the kids, and the drug problems isn't such a bad thing just as long as we have a complimentary back like Fred Jackson who does some of the other things that Lynch doesn't. I respect your opinion but I think he has more value that a pack of used gum and second string receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Lynch is better than Jones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew026 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 just wondering but who was hosting the show? I tend to like Russilo(sp?) and Seibel, and love Van Pelt's show in the afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Yeah Mr. Lynch who is just a redo of Travis Henry minus the fumbles. Runs real hard in a straight line. No cut, no blocking ability, no catching ability. But hey he gives you 100% as long as it's a straight line. Thanks, but I'll take a pack of used gum and a second string Wr in trade for him. You remind me of the Indians trading Manhattan Island. But go ahead, make the trade. Glad you're not my GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Lynch is better than Jones! I love Marshawn, but I think some of us here are really underestimating how good Jones really is. He is sort of a poor man's Brian Westbrook. I gurantee you, there are lots of Bears fans in Chicago wishing the Bears had realized this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I thought Lynch improved at the end of the season and expect big things next year. Hopefully, he corrects his habit of dropping swing passes with green grass in front of him. As for his rushing yards, remember DJ limited his touches some games by "design". Remember the game he had one carry in the fourth when he was averaging 9 yards a pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Well, let's guess ourselves...... QB - No RB - Yes WR - No TE - No OL - No DL - No LB - No CB - Yes S - No ST - Yes So, nahhhh, we don't have the best talent in the division. And, you are right, we also don't have the best coaching in the division. Not a good combo, IMO. I couldnt have said it any better myself.Right on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 So, what's the argument? Well, there's no argument.... look at the data. Jones finished 5th in rushing, Lynch 13th. Jones average per carry was almost a half yard more than Lynch. Jones had 5 more TDs than did Lynch. an added note... Ronnie Brown ranked 19th, and had more TDs than Lynch and a higher per carry average. So, yeah... Jones is the man in the division. End of story. Oh... and the Bills are not the 2009 version of the Arizona Cardinals. You drink that koolaid and you enable the Bills continuance of delivering a substandard product on the field. Obviously 2008 stats = gosphel and Michael Turner is a top 2 back in the league. Last year TJ had 1 TD. He's better than his '07 stats sure, but also worse than '08's. I love Marshawn, but I think some of us here are really underestimating how good Jones really is. He is sort of a poor man's Brian Westbrook. I gurantee you, there are lots of Bears fans in Chicago wishing the Bears had realized this.... That's mostly because Cedric Benson turned out to be Cedric Benson though. They won't miss a beat going forward with Forte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Obviously 2008 stats = gosphel and Michael Turner is a top 2 back in the league. Last year TJ had 1 TD. He's better than his '07 stats sure, but also worse than '08's. That's mostly because Cedric Benson turned out to be Cedric Benson though. They won't miss a beat going forward with Forte. True, as far as Benson is concerned.... he was awful. I think it was apparent he wasn't any good, even before they let Jones go. But, it seems that Bears management underestimated how much Jones meant to that offense. It was purely a financial decision, one that Lovey Smith was not in favor of. Having a guy as versatile as Jones in your backfield is a big plus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 to me, Jones is just mediocre. If he was as great as everyone is making him out to be, Chicago would have never even drafted Cedric Benson in the first place. Who, if he wasn't a moron more interested in boating drunk, should have filled in seamlessly for Jones after Jones was traded away. Chicago's subsequent collapse the next year had more to do with their defense not being elite rather than Thomas Jones being traded away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 to me, Jones is just mediocre. If he was as great as everyone is making him out to be, Chicago would have never even drafted Cedric Benson in the first place. Who, if he wasn't a moron more interested in boating drunk, should have filled in seamlessly for Jones after Jones was traded away. Chicago's subsequent collapse the next year had more to do with their defense not being elite rather than Thomas Jones being traded away. I don't think he's great, but I also don't see how he can be considered a "bust" either (I explained why in a prior post). There is middle ground 'tween "he sucks" and "he's great". Most fans tend not to realize this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I don't think he's great, but I also don't see how he can be considered a "bust" either (I explained why in a prior post). There is middle ground 'tween "he sucks" and "he's great". Most fans tend not to realize this. okay, i get you. i should have said (in my initial post), "up until a few years ago". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I don't think he's great, but I also don't see how he can be considered a "bust" either (I explained why in a prior post). There is middle ground 'tween "he sucks" and "he's great". Most fans tend not to realize this. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPDontletthedoorhityourars Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Yeah Mr. Lynch who is just a redo of Travis Henry minus the fumbles. Runs real hard in a straight line. No cut, no blocking ability, no catching ability. But hey he gives you 100% as long as it's a straight line. Thanks, but I'll take a pack of used gum and a second string Wr in trade for him. You obviously have no idea what you are watching...none! The guy is the best runner inside the red zone in the AFC and he is NOT a straight-line runner--some of his moves are staggering. Just WOW! But then I always say about 70% of this board is clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 You obviously have no idea what you are watching...none! The guy is the best runner inside the red zone in the AFC and he is NOT a straight-line runner--some of his moves are staggering. Just WOW! But then I always say about 70% of this board is clueless. Not even close: Player Att Yds Avg Lng TD Lynch 36 93 2.6 14 7 Jones 57 185 3.2 17 11 Staton 63 131 2.1 11 6 Johnson 28 82 2.9 16 6 Tomlinson 55 134 2.4 14 11 Brown 36 101 2.8 16 9 Jones-Drew 31 89 2.9 8 11 parker 33 104 3.2 16 6 White 44 77 1.8 6 14 \ Those bolded are easily better in the redzone and I haven't even looked for redzone specialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I'm still waiting to hear how he is the best AFC redzone runner. He's basically a good RB, but not top 10 in anything and a problem in several areas, including passing game (blocking and catching - don't start on 47 catches being good - watch Thruman) and really is not a good cut back runner. Nice straight ahead beast runner, but it makes our offense way too predictible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I'm still waiting to hear how he is the best AFC redzone runner. He is the best AFC redzone runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Not even close: Player Att Yds Avg Lng TD Lynch 36 93 2.6 14 7 Jones 57 185 3.2 17 11 Staton 63 131 2.1 11 6 Johnson 28 82 2.9 16 6 Tomlinson 55 134 2.4 14 11 Brown 36 101 2.8 16 9 Jones-Drew 31 89 2.9 8 11 parker 33 104 3.2 16 6 White 44 77 1.8 6 14 \ Those bolded are easily better in the redzone and I haven't even looked for redzone specialists. what is your criteria for 'easily better in the redzone'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 what is your criteria for 'easily better in the redzone'? More TD's and or better YPC. But more TD's primarily. there are a few who have better ypc, but not as many TD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 More TD's and or better YPC. But more TD's primarily. there are a few who have better ypc, but not as many TD's. more chances should usually equate to more touchdowns. i don't see how thomas jones getting 21 more carries and 4 touchdowns in the redzone makes him that much better than marshawn lynch. how many idiotic fades have we thrown on the 1 yard line that could have been cake touchdowns for lynch? playcalling is also a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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