volleydog123 Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Would it have been ok for Bush to point out during his tenure obesity is now a disease and may be covered by Medicare and say now people like the VP candidates wife can now get help with gov't assistance. Would that cross a line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Not if Edwards himself had already brought up his wife's weight during a town hall meeting, as Dick Cheney did in discussing his daughter's sexual orientation when he himself stated that he was breaking with Bush on the gay marriage thing. It was notable in that it was the first time he publicly made the admission in a campaign context, although of course it's well known (and who really cares). Don't open Pandora's box, the lid is hard to get back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Not if Edwards himself had already brought up his wife's weight during a town hall meeting, as Dick Cheney did in discussing his daughter's sexual orientation when he himself stated that he was breaking with Bush on the gay marriage thing. It was notable in that it was the first time he publicly made the admission in a campaign context, although of course it's well known (and who really cares). Don't open Pandora's box, the lid is hard to get back on. 70630[/snapback] Nice to hear you can parrot the socialist talking heads on Air America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Would it have been ok for Bush to point out during his tenure obesity is now a disease and may be covered by Medicare and say now people like the VP candidates wife can now get help with gov't assistance. Would that cross a line? 70390[/snapback] I don't think very much crosses the line if it's the truth, the family has thrust themselves into the public figure status, and the issue its brought up about is affected by public policy. Yup, DC's daughter's a lesbian. Yup, Edwards' wife is overweight (is she really 'obese' by definition?). And, maybe you're onto something. Providing medical care for obesity early on can save a lot of money in the future, when the people in their 60s+ and on MediCare develop the diseases that are associated with it. Just like pre-natal screening saves $6 for every dollar spent. You guys talk about reducing the federal budget, these are baby steps to the day when we can say, okay we don't need these programs anymore b/c people are in better health. $2.5T - $.5T = $2T. Baby steps, and we'll get to a time when we can have the same standard of living w/o having to make so many transfer payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I don't think very much crosses the line if it's the truth, the family has thrust themselves into the public figure status, and the issue its brought up about is affected by public policy. Yup, DC's daughter's a lesbian. Yup, Edwards' wife is overweight (is she really 'obese' by definition?). And, maybe you're onto something. Providing medical care for obesity early on can save a lot of money in the future, when the people in their 60s+ and on MediCare develop the diseases that are associated with it. Just like pre-natal screening saves $6 for every dollar spent. You guys talk about reducing the federal budget, these are baby steps to the day when we can say, okay we don't need these programs anymore b/c people are in better health. $2.5T - $.5T = $2T. Baby steps, and we'll get to a time when we can have the same standard of living w/o having to make so many transfer payments. 70741[/snapback] I think that fat people and cigarette smokers (in bars) should be arrested. This way, liberals (while drinking alcohol) would not have to smell smoke, nor look at those awful fat persons that they find unpleasant to the eye. After all, liberals are just in their quest for behavioral control. Next? Incarcerate (or at LEAST heavily tax) fast food consumers. It is only fitting that leftists should dictate the diet of America. Great post!!!!! Thanks for caring so much. PSP: Starbucks and caffiene addiction are great, and should be left alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGTEleven Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Yup, Edwards' wife is overweight (is she really 'obese' by definition?). 70741[/snapback] This is OT, but I think she'd qualify. This doesn't mean I view her as "obese" but some people I know have been classified as such in their physicals and to me appear only mildly overweight. I think the common view and the clinical definition are different. And, maybe you're onto something. Providing medical care for obesity early on can save a lot of money in the future, when the people in their 60s+ and on MediCare develop the diseases that are associated with it. Just like pre-natal screening saves $6 for every dollar spent. You guys talk about reducing the federal budget, these are baby steps to the day when we can say, okay we don't need these programs anymore b/c people are in better health. $2.5T - $.5T = $2T. Baby steps, and we'll get to a time when we can have the same standard of living w/o having to make so many transfer payments. Either that or we can sue McDonald's, Hostess, Ben and Jerry until we put them out of business. Remember, destroying private enterprise is alsmost as good as putting the government in charge of everything. Baby steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Oh but wait, obesity is a disease. It's not her fault, its not the result of her own choices. There's the new "healthy fat person" didn't you hear? You can be obese and healthy at the same time. Star Jones talked about it all the time in between wheezing (and before her gastric bypass). If you don't feel like taking care of yourself, just let yourself go until you are over 3 bills, then the rest of us (through medicare) will cover your gastric bypass surgery. Since 4 out of every 100 people who have a gastric bypass will die in the peri-operative period, we'll have Edwards there to sue your obviously negligent doctor. RunTheBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 This is OT, but I think she'd qualify. This doesn't mean I view her as "obese" but some people I know have been classified as such in their physicals and to me appear only mildly overweight. I think the common view and the clinical definition are different.Either that or we can sue McDonald's, Hostess, Ben and Jerry until we put them out of business. Remember, destroying private enterprise is alsmost as good as putting the government in charge of everything. Baby steps. 70798[/snapback] OGT, please stop acting as if the leftists don't know what is good for us. They are such great dictators! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Wasn't Elizabeth Edwards in that "Shallow Hal" movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Her teenage son died in a car Rosen a few years ago. I think that has something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Her teenage son died in a car Rosen a few years ago. I think that has something to do with it. 71722[/snapback] So she started eating cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 So she started eating cars? 71727[/snapback] I half expected a comment like that from you. You did not disappoint me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I half expected a comment like that from you. You did not disappoint me. 71746[/snapback] Why start now? Why is it that women never seem to react to things they can't control by eating less and exercising more? I guess it all goes back to that book "Women are From Mars, Men Have a Penis" - or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Wasn't Elizabeth Edwards in that "Shallow Hal" movie? 71600[/snapback] Thanks for the visual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Thanks for the visual 71802[/snapback] Looks like the mother, not the daughter. Big XXXXL cheap pastel suit. They eat at Wendy's alright......she eats hubbie's ambulance chasing profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Why start now? Why is it that women never seem to react to things they can't control by eating less and exercising more? I guess it all goes back to that book "Women are From Mars, Men Have a Penis" - or something like that. 71754[/snapback] Actually, there are plenty of eating disorders that involve eating less to the point of illness. I have no idea why this particular woman is overweight. She could be a diabetic, she could have had a hysterectomy, who knows? How that is similar to the VP breaking with his own President on an important issue because his own daughter is gay and the opposition commenting on it, I'll never know. The fact that their own daughter is gay and that they support a gay baiting President, I think, is important. It's not like Kerry "outed" her, everyone knows and the VP himself acknowledged it. Slate has an interesting article on this issue: Bush and Gay Baiting If at some point Kerry supports a constitutional amendment banning the obese from getting married, then I think it would be fair game to go after Edwards for being Kerry's running mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Nice to hear you can parrot the socialist talking heads on Air America. 70724[/snapback] I'm not parroting anything - I heard Cheney make the comment. HE brought it into the political arena, not Kerry. And it was also discussed during the VP debates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Her teenage son died in a car Rosen a few years ago. I think that has something to do with it. 71722[/snapback] I put on a few pounds myself after my son died. I would imagine that if you scratch the men on this board who are overweight, underweight, balding or just plain plug-ugly there would only be 2-3 left. Nevertheless it doesn't keep most of them from standing in judgement on someone based on appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 I put on a few pounds myself after my son died. I would imagine that if you scratch the men on this board who are overweight, underweight, balding or just plain plug-ugly there would only be 2-3 left. Nevertheless it doesn't keep most of them from standing in judgement on someone based on appearances. 72069[/snapback] Angry, angry, angry. For your sake I truely hope Kerry wins. If not, I want the Prozac concession in the Pacific Northwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Angry, angry, angry. For your sake I truely hope Kerry wins. If not, I want the Prozac concession in the Pacific Northwest. 72080[/snapback] Disgusted is more like it, that people can't find anything better to do than to make an issue over appearance. They can't make a compelling case for their cause so they attack someone for being fat, or short, or tall...and on it goes. That you don't see anything wrong with judging and condemning people based on their appearance surprises me not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUBillsFan Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Disgusted is more like it, that people can't find anything better to do than to make an issue over appearance. They can't make a compelling case for their cause so they attack someone for being fat, or short, or tall...and on it goes. That you don't see anything wrong with judging and condemning people based on their appearance surprises me not at all. 72288[/snapback] I don't think that was the point...The point was was it ok for kerry and edwards to bring the cheany's daughter into the campaign for an issue on gay marriage. If it was then it should be ok to bring edwards wife in for healthcare issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Disgusted is more like it, that people can't find anything better to do than to make an issue over appearance. They can't make a compelling case for their cause so they attack someone for being fat, or short, or tall...and on it goes. That you don't see anything wrong with judging and condemning people based on their appearance surprises me not at all. 72288[/snapback] Michael Moore started it. If that fat, disgusting pig didn't stick his disgusting mug in front of every camera that will photograph him, we probably wouldn't have a good idea of how fat and disgusting people can get. We look at Michael Moore and think "Holy crap...I hope that doesn't happen to our women!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 That you don't see anything wrong with judging and condemning people based on their appearance surprises me not at all. 72288[/snapback] Where did I say I didn't see anything wrong with that. You have a wonderful ability to read peoples minds.......unfortunately you're often times wrong, which makes you look pretty silly. The trait of an angry person. The point, and the ONLY point of my post that you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 I don't think that was the point...The point was was it ok for kerry and edwards to bring the cheany's daughter into the campaign for an issue on gay marriage. If it was then it should be ok to bring edwards wife in for healthcare issues. 72300[/snapback] CHENEY HIMSELF brought his daughter into it last summer! If you bother to read this story, it's in there. He says "Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it's an issue that our family is very familiar with. . . . With respect to the question of relationships, my general view is that freedom means freedom for everyone. People . . . ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to." How about that. I'm right, you're wrong. I'm not angry, CJ's just uninformed. And so on. Once Cheney made it part of his platform, it was fair game. And that's the way it goes. He politicized it himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Would it have been ok for Bush to point out during his tenure obesity is now a disease and may be covered by Medicare and say now people like the VP candidates wife can now get help with gov't assistance. Would that cross a line? 70390[/snapback] Is the President trying to ammend the constitution so fat people do not have the same rights as skinny people? Not even in the same ball park chief. Go home and think a little harder next time you are on the crapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUBillsFan Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Is the President trying to ammend the constitution so fat people do not have the same rights as skinny people? Not even in the same ball park chief. Go home and think a little harder next time you are on the crapper. 74465[/snapback] Everyone has the same rights now...Gay people have the same rights as straight people...It may take you some time but think about it...A gay man can marry a woman so can a straight one. A gay guy can't marry a man neither can a straight one...It looks like they have the same rights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Everyone has the same rights now...Gay people have the same rights as straight people...It may take you some time but think about it...A gay man can marry a woman so can a straight one. A gay guy can't marry a man neither can a straight one...It looks like they have the same rights... 74711[/snapback] Really? Can any adult marry another adult of their choosing? It looks to me like most people pay only lip service to "freedom" for other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUBillsFan Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Really? Can any adult marry another adult of their choosing? It looks to me like most people pay only lip service to "freedom" for other people. 74726[/snapback] I didn't say that...What I said was right now everyone has the SAME rights...But if you ask the question should people of the same sex be able to marry, sure it doesn't really matter to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Really? Can any adult marry another adult of their choosing? It looks to me like most people pay only lip service to "freedom" for other people. 74726[/snapback] I absolutely believe that gays should be able to have the exact same right to marriage as heterosexuals. There is no question about it. However, when that time arrives...and I believe it will come in my lifetime...I certainly hope they realize that if they are allowed the rights of the married, they are also held to the rights of the divorced. It all sounds good until you immediately surrender half of everything you own simply for getting married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Why does it bother people that Lynn Cheney is gay? What is the big deal? Seems like it is bothering people on the right? Why? Get real, accept it. It is not a slight. Let people live their lives they way they see fit. And YES, it would have been okay for Bush to bring up the weight thing. Who cares... Let it all fly. What is with you people and having to say the right thing? PC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 I absolutely believe that gays should be able to have the exact same right to marriage as heterosexuals. There is no question about it. However, when that time arrives...and I believe it will come in my lifetime...I certainly hope they realize that if they are allowed the rights of the married, they are also held to the rights of the divorced. It all sounds good until you immediately surrender half of everything you own simply for getting married. 74859[/snapback] I think this is your best posting on this board. Believe me, they will be just as sorry as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 I think this is your best posting on this board. Believe me, they will be just as sorry as hell. 74915[/snapback] There already is a gay divorce case in the court system - two women. I don't recall all the particulars in terms of which state, etc. but there was a 20-minute piece about it on NPR around the time the San Francisco gay marriage hubbub was taking place. If you're interested you can probably find it in their archives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac17 Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 There already is a gay divorce case in the court system - two women. I don't recall all the particulars in terms of which state, etc. but there was a 20-minute piece about it on NPR around the time the San Francisco gay marriage hubbub was taking place. If you're interested you can probably find it in their archives. great, now I have plans for Friday night! (ok, back to baseball for me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 I absolutely believe that gays should be able to have the exact same right to marriage as heterosexuals. There is no question about it. However, when that time arrives...and I believe it will come in my lifetime...I certainly hope they realize that if they are allowed the rights of the married, they are also held to the rights of the divorced. It all sounds good until you immediately surrender half of everything you own simply for getting married. 74859[/snapback] As I've stated before, they really need to watch out what they wish for - because they just might get it. The ONLY people who benefit from marriage are the divorce lawyers. The government should stay out of business between adults. People should be allowed to have whoever they want in their hospital rooms and on their medical insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCal Aaron Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 As I've stated before, they really need to watch out what they wish for - because they just might get it. The ONLY people who benefit from marriage are the divorce lawyers. The government should stay out of business between adults. People should be allowed to have whoever they want in their hospital rooms and on their medical insurance. 75129[/snapback] Are we seeing the softer side of Sears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Are we seeing the softer side of Sears? 75268[/snapback] Not sure what you're asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Not sure what you're asking. 75295[/snapback] He's wondering if you're still filled with Glee............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 He's wondering if you're still filled with Glee............ 75324[/snapback] That directed toward your mirror? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 That directed toward your mirror? 75331[/snapback] Nazi.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I think the term marriage should only be used for religious ceremonies and all government certified ceremonies should be called civil unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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