DJ on Roscoe

[Peter]

If I were on the other side of the field, I’d be nervous when he had the ball in his hands. He’s a special player.

 

I remember when some of you guys were bitching and moaning last year that Roscoe was a wasted pick and we should have picked, of all people, Chris Henry.

 

DJ Press Conference 9-18-06

[BoondckCL]

I remember when some of you guys were bitching and moaning last year that Roscoe was a wasted pick and we should have picked, of all people, Chris Henry.

 

DJ Press Conference 9-18-06

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Roscoe Parrish is the most agile player in the league. His work on punt returns yesterday was phenominal and i think he is a gem that could end up being very beneficial for this team. A little small of a gem, but sometimes those are the best ones.

[SDS]

I remember when some of you guys were bitching and moaning last year that Roscoe was a wasted pick and we should have picked, of all people, Chris Henry.

 

DJ Press Conference 9-18-06

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Oh please. Did you expect DJ to get up and say something bad about him? The pick is as asinine today as it was yesterday. Grabbing undersized slot receivers/kick returners with a 2nd round pick should get you...

 

tar and feathered!

[Peter]

Oh please. Did you expect DJ to get up and say something bad about him?  The pick is as asinine today as it was yesterday.  Grabbing undersized slot receivers/kick returners with a 2nd round pick should get you...

 

tar and feathered! 

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The great Oz has spoken.

 

Did you watch the game yesterday? Have you seen what he can do if given a chance?

[34-78-83]

Oh please. Did you expect DJ to get up and say something bad about him?  The pick is as asinine today as it was yesterday.  Grabbing undersized slot receivers/kick returners with a 2nd round pick should get you...

 

tar and feathered! 

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For a young guy, you're pretty set in your ways.

 

If you can get Dante Hall (ie Roscoe) for a 2nd round pick, it's a pretty good value.

FWIW I would have prefered a different position at the time too, but have since changed my thoughts on that.

[BoondckCL]

For a young guy, you're pretty set in your ways. 

 

If you can get Dante Hall (ie Roscoe) for a 2nd round pick, it's a pretty good value.

FWIW I would have prefered a different position at the time too, but have since changed my thoughts on that.

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Well put old feelow.

[SDS]

The great Oz has spoken.

 

Did you watch the game yesterday?  Have you seen what he can do if given a chance?

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If that is your opinion then you are entitled to it, but I cannot find a reasonable justification to EVER make a selection like that. The 2nd round is where you draft FULL-SIZED STARTERS. Players who play full time and have the possibility of becoming the anchors of your team.

 

RP will NEVER be an anchor on this team. If he reaches his HIGHEST potential - he is at best a 2nd receiver. I can't imagine a team that is so stocked for the present and future that kick returner is on the top of their need list for the 2nd round.

 

McGee is pretty special too, but we didn't spend a 2nd rounder on him.

[crackur]

For a young guy, you're pretty set in your ways. 

 

If you can get Dante Hall (ie Roscoe) for a 2nd round pick, it's a pretty good value.

FWIW I would have prefered a different position at the time too, but have since changed my thoughts on that.

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he's no dante "yet".........and I said yet

 

now terrence mcgee on the other hand .......is seriously dangerous with the ball

 

Roscoe has the speed......he just needs to learn to follow the blocks a lil more.....but u gotta love our return game ......and wrs

[SDS]

For a young guy, you're pretty set in your ways. 

 

If you can get Dante Hall (ie Roscoe) for a 2nd round pick, it's a pretty good value.

FWIW I would have prefered a different position at the time too, but have since changed my thoughts on that.

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In 6 years Dante Hall has scored 10 TD's and has caught 125 passes. He has been an exceptional returner during that time. Great value for a 5th ROUND PICK.

[Bill from NYC]

For a young guy, you're pretty set in your ways. 

 

If you can get Dante Hall (ie Roscoe) for a 2nd round pick, it's a pretty good value.

FWIW I would have prefered a different position at the time too, but have since changed my thoughts on that.

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Sorry, gotta take Scott's back here. Parrish is still one hell of a long way from Dante Hall, and imo that isn't even the point.

 

The Bills had glaring weaknesses and had traded away their first round pick. Instead of bolstering their lines, or perhaps even their LBs, TD, in his utter arrogance, opted for perhaps the smallest player in the NFL with our first draft selection. It was dumb then, and it is dumb now.

 

This is not, nor will it ever be a good way to build a football team.

[dave mcbride]

donte hall isn't the best comparison, because he was never really envisioned as anything more than a returner if memory serves. this former second rounder (also from the U) is a better example:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/WillKe00.htm

 

was he a bad pick at #2? it's hard to say given all the WR busts. williams was a moderately productive 3rd receiver who couldn't hack being a #2, performed pretty well in the postseason, and was an excellent returner.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

Sorry, gotta take Scott's back here. Parrish is still one hell of a long way from Dante Hall, and imo that isn't even the point.

 

The Bills had glaring weaknesses and had traded away their first round pick. Instead of bolstering their lines, or perhaps even their LBs, TD, in his utter arrogance, opted for perhaps the smallest player in the NFL with our first draft selection. It was dumb then, and it is dumb now.

 

This is not, nor will it ever be a good way to build a football team.

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On the other hand, if you have a weapon, you might as well use it. I think we should have used the second round pick we used for RP to pick a coach that knew how to coach. Since we couldn't and didn't, let's let the little feller show us what he can do. It was nice to see some moves yesterday.

[smokinandjokin]

RP will NEVER be an anchor on this team.  If he reaches his HIGHEST

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...he's at about 5'6"?

[SDS]

Since we couldn't and didn't, let's let the little feller show us what he can do.  It was nice to see some moves yesterday.

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absolutely. We have him now, so let's get as much production out of him as we can. There is no reason to turn a dumb pick into a wasted one.

[ajzepp]

I'm not going to defend Roscoe as a 2nd round pick, but I felt a WHOLE lot better about him when I saw him take a solid lick from Z.Thomas yesterday, keep his feet, and gain positive yardage. Roscoe isn't E.Moulds with regard to body structure, but I don't think he's as much of a feather as people think.

 

Now if we can just get him over his "snow-phobia"

[34-78-83]

Sorry, gotta take Scott's back here. Parrish is still one hell of a long way from Dante Hall, and imo that isn't even the point.

 

The Bills had glaring weaknesses and had traded away their first round pick. Instead of bolstering their lines, or perhaps even their LBs, TD, in his utter arrogance, opted for perhaps the smallest player in the NFL with our first draft selection. It was dumb then, and it is dumb now.

 

This is not, nor will it ever be a good way to build a football team.

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I agreed with that at the time of the draft last season. And hey maybe there was a guy there we could have taken and developed for a couple seasons, like Crowell for example. Who knows?

 

Many of these philosophies held by many of you guys that I respect on the board held very true back when the draft was vastly the only way to obtain talent, and Player contracts allowed them to remain on a team for years, even as developing backups, and free agents were mainly just guys off the street, and there were far fewer "specialized" positions (Like RP's role) that factored so much into the game.

 

What guys like Randel EL and Hall did for the Steelers and Chiefs cannot be downplayed any longer.

 

And Yes SDS , Dante was a steal as a 5th rounder for sure, and RP has not reached that level, but I don't see any one in the league who's closer to it.

[Buffal0 Bill5]

...he's at about 5'6"?

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Take him to the taffy pulling room

[HurlyBurly51]

If that is your opinion then you are entitled to it, but I cannot find a reasonable justification to EVER make a selection like that.  The 2nd round is where you draft FULL-SIZED STARTERS.  Players who play full time and have the possibility of becoming the anchors of your team.

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It's all relative...given our history of 2nd round picks, I'm liking the Roscoe selection

[Peter]

Over the past year, a lot of people have been overly critical of Roscoe (I take it because he was picked in the second round). Roscoe did not make the pick. That is why I always wondered why some people seemed to have a crusade against him personally.

 

Roscoe is turning out to be a very exciting weapon for this team -- just as he was at UM. We can debate whether he should have been taken in the second round (I presume that the debate over whether we should have taken Chris Henry instead is over). Our view of where he should have been taken probably will change over time. Given that Terrence McGee has been mentioned, he turned out to be a steal in the fifth round. He is one of the most important players on this team right now.

 

The fact is that Roscoe is on our team. We may as well appreciate his talents. As DJ said, he is a special player. He is the kind of player who can change a game with one play. I also am one of those people who believes that average drive starts in a game is a very important indicator of who is going to win. Just as BM pinned the Dolphins down in their end, Roscoe gave our offense a boost with his returns. Further, that TD that was called back was a thing of beauty. When we go three or more wide and need a first down or a TD, Roscoe is going to be very difficult to cover. I just hope that our offensive line can give JP enough time so that we can take advantage of the speed we have at the wide receiver position.

[K-gunner]

I can't believe the "size" thing is still going strong as of today.Deion Branch and Santana Moss are not huge recievers by any stretch..don't hear much complaining 'bout them. (i know they are bigger than RP and they have proven more)

 

It happened with Whitner to an extent also..Had he been 6' 1" 215 i doubt you would have heard much griping at all. Its sad really.

[Bill from NYC]

Given that Terrence McGee has been mentioned, he turned out to be a steal in the fifth round.  He is one of the most important players on this team right now.

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MaGee was a 4th, and he is also a starting corner. Yes, he WAS a steal, because he is a good corner who continues to improve.

 

Roscoe was a 2nd, and a situational player. I guess if a championship caliber team such as the Bengals perhaps, wanted to reach for this type of player, it could almost be justified. Even then, I would be skeptical with using a first pick of a draft as such.

 

Despite the above, you guys who said that we DO have him and should use him are quite correct. I hope that he lasts long enough to be an asset to the team.

[Peter]

MaGee was a 4th, and he is also a starting corner. Yes, he WAS a steal, because he is a good corner who continues to improve.

 

Roscoe was a 2nd, and a situational player. I guess if a championship caliber team such as the Bengals perhaps, wanted to reach for this type of player, it could almost be justified. Even then, I would be skeptical with using a first pick of a draft as such.

 

Despite the above, you guys who said that we DO have him and should use him are quite correct. I hope that he lasts long enough to be an asset to the team.

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My bad on the round. McGee was still a steal in the fourth round.

 

As for Roscoe, I think that he is going to do a lot of great things for this team.

[ajzepp]

 

As for Roscoe, I think that he is going to do a lot of great things for this team.

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I do too....I think over the next few weeks he's going to have a play that will be among the best highlights of the year. He'll just bust off a punt return or make some amazing catch that just makes people sit there in awe. It will happen dammit.

[John from Riverside]

I like Roscoe....he is an NFL player that I can honestly say my 14 year old son is bigger then....

[obie_wan]

My bad on the round.  McGee was still a steal in the fourth round.

 

As for Roscoe, I think that he is going to do a lot of great things for this team.

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just like Troy Edwards did for the Steelers

[Kelly the Dog]

One of the most important factors and elements of a game is third down efficiency, and this is one place that Roscoe can excel in. He can also mess with the defense enough to open up passing areas for other players. Good punt returns can add 20-30 yards to your team's game. It's the equivalent to adding 20-30 yards to your running back's yardage, and that is a substantial difference between 40-70 or 70-100 or 100-130. If he reaches his full potential, he's surely worth a second round pick.

 

I just don't agree with Scott that second round picks have to be starters and big full time players. That's the equiavlent of saying that sixth or seventh rounders have to be back-ups. It doesn't work that way. There are tons of first and second round busts and tons of 6th and 7th round gems, and most all teams have a few of both. I think a guy like Roscoe can be very valuable.

[SDS]

I just don't agree with Scott that second round picks have to be starters and big full time players.  That's the equiavlent of saying that sixth or seventh rounders have to be back-ups. It doesn't work that way. There are tons of first and second round busts and tons of 6th and 7th round gems, and most all teams have a few of both. I think a guy like Roscoe can be very valuable.

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No, 1st and 2nd rounders should have the POTENTIAL to be those players. You don't draft players that high with apriori knowledge that they will never be anything more than a #3 receiver and a return man.

 

Where do you draw the line in your post? Kickers? Punters? ST gunners? Fullbacks? Nickel CBs? They are all important to a good team. A great punter certainly gets you field position. A great FB certainly adds yards to the running game.

 

At what point do you say to yourself, "This is stupid, our 1st day picks should be on guys that play 40-50 plays a game and not 15."? What team is so stocked, that they don't need potential top talent at OL, DT, DE, LB, CB, RB, WR etc...?

[Kelly the Dog]

No, 1st and 2nd rounders should have the POTENTIAL to be those players. You don't draft players that high with apriori knowledge that they will never be anything more than a #3 receiver and a return man.

 

Where do you draw the line in your post?  Kickers? Punters? ST gunners? Fullbacks? Nickel CBs?  They are all important to a good team.  A great punter certainly gets you field position.  A great FB certainly adds yards to the running game.

 

At what point do you say to yourself, "This is stupid, our 1st day picks should be on guys that play 40-50 plays a game and not 15."?  What team is so stocked, that they don't need potential top talent at OL, DT, DE, LB, CB, RB, WR etc...?

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I think Moorman is worth a second round draft pick. Think of every 2nd round pick in Bills history. He's likely better and more valuable than 90% of them.

[MadBuffaloDisease]

I'd take Roscoe over Bucky Brooks ANYDAY!

[JDG]

For a young guy, you're pretty set in your ways. 

 

If you can get Dante Hall (ie Roscoe) for a 2nd round pick, it's a pretty good value.

FWIW I would have prefered a different position at the time too, but have since changed my thoughts on that.

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I knew Dante Hall, Dante Hall was a good friend of mine, and Roscoe Parrish is no Dante Hall..... *yet*

 

If Roscoe Parrish is a Top 3 punt returner for this year and next year, the pick will be worth it in my book. He isn't quite there yet - but you could certainly see the potential this week.

 

JDG

[JDG]

No, 1st and 2nd rounders should have the POTENTIAL to be those players. You don't draft players that high with apriori knowledge that they will never be anything more than a #3 receiver and a return man.

 

Where do you draw the line in your post?  Kickers? Punters? ST gunners? Fullbacks? Nickel CBs?  They are all important to a good team.  A great punter certainly gets you field position.  A great FB certainly adds yards to the running game.

 

At what point do you say to yourself, "This is stupid, our 1st day picks should be on guys that play 40-50 plays a game and not 15."?  What team is so stocked, that they don't need potential top talent at OL, DT, DE, LB, CB, RB, WR etc...?

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So, is a 2nd Rounder that turns into a valuable contributor a better or worse pick than a 2nd Rounder who had the potential to be an every-day starter, but never panned out? Say, for example, a Darius Watts?

 

JDG

[Dibs]

No, 1st and 2nd rounders should have the POTENTIAL to be those players. You don't draft players that high with apriori knowledge that they will never be anything more than a #3 receiver and a return man.

 

Where do you draw the line in your post?  Kickers? Punters? ST gunners? Fullbacks? Nickel CBs?  They are all important to a good team.  A great punter certainly gets you field position.  A great FB certainly adds yards to the running game.

 

At what point do you say to yourself, "This is stupid, our 1st day picks should be on guys that play 40-50 plays a game and not 15."?  What team is so stocked, that they don't need potential top talent at OL, DT, DE, LB, CB, RB, WR etc...?

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The reality is that a lot of teams have disagreed with your assessment over the years. Kickers & punters have been taken in round 1 etc. If a players perceived ability is so much greater than the norm at a traditional lesser impact position, then his selection higher in the draft is generally considered acceptable. I think Ray Guy is an example of the concept being acceptable.

You obviously disagree with the concept of EVER doing this. That's all well & good but empatically stating it over & over does not mean that people of the oposite opinion are wrong....and honestly, the existance of a Ray Guy should give you pause to reconsider your stance.

RAY GUY

Is RP one of those rare guys???

If he ends up getting 3 PR TDs a season for the next 6 years you'd have to say yes....We'll have to wait & see.

[Dibs]

It's all relative...given our history of 2nd round picks, I'm liking the Roscoe selection

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Just to play devil's advocate here.....

1997 Marcellus Wiley - pro bowler

1998 Sam Cowart - pro bowler

1999 Peerless Price - 2a WR & netted a 1st round pick from trade

2000 Travares Tillman - Starting at Mia

2001 Aaron Schobel - future pro bowler

2001 Travis Henry - pro bowler

2002 Josh Reed - 2b WR

2002 Ryan Denney - 3 sacks this week

Our history of 2nd round picks is pretty good really.

[roscoeparrishfan]

I dont understand why no one thinks this guy can be a big time reciever. Size is not that much of an issue( Steve Smith?, Santana Moss?) he seems to know how to not take the big hit.

 

Dante Hall has been a great return man but not much of a reciever. I think roscoe has much more potential at that position.

 

How about his returns? Never gets tackled by the first guy. I don't think there is any question that he will break one this year. Maybe he will win a game with one and I can break out the crow I have been preparing for everyone since we drafted roscoe.

[Kelly the Dog]

Just to play devil's advocate here.....

1997 Marcellus Wiley - pro bowler

1998 Sam Cowart - pro bowler

1999 Peerless Price - 2a WR & netted a 1st round pick from trade

2000 Travares Tillman - Starting at Mia

2001 Aaron Schobel - future pro bowler

2001 Travis Henry - pro bowler

2002 Josh Reed - 2b WR

2002 Ryan Denney - 3 sacks this week

Our history of 2nd round picks is pretty good really.

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After reviewing all of the Bills 2nd round picks in the last 25 years, I was wrong about 90%. But I would still have Moorman ahead of about 50%. And Roscoe, too. The Bills had some great second round picks though. Like Talley and Hansen and Thurman and Cowart. But just as many Roland Mitchell and Dave Traynowitz and Lonnie Johnson and Todd Collins and Gabe Northern and James Patton.

[Dibs]

I dont understand why no one thinks this guy can be a big time reciever.  Size is not that much of an issue( Steve Smith?, Santana Moss?) he seems to know how to not take the big hit.

 

Dante Hall has been a great return man but not much of a reciever.  I think roscoe has much more potential at that position.

 

How about his returns?  Never gets tackled by the first guy.  I don't think there is any question that he will break one this year.  Maybe he will win a game with one and I can break out the crow I have been preparing for everyone since we drafted roscoe.

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I think it's more to do with his bulk.

Parrish 5-9 168lbs

Smith 5-9 185lbs

Moss 5-10 190lbs

Parrish is VERY lithe for a WR.

I'm not saying he can't do it.....just showing the stats.

[Dibs]

After reviewing all of the Bills 2nd round picks in the last 25 years, I was wrong about 90%. But I would still have Moorman ahead of about 50%. And Roscoe, too. The Bills had some great second round picks though. Like Talley and Hansen and Thurman and Cowart. But just as many Roland Mitchell and Dave Traynowitz and Lonnie Johnson and Todd Collins and Gabe Northern and James Patton.

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I pretty much agree. What a lot of people forget is that until proven....at least 50% of 1st & 2nd round picks are total BUSTS. Therefore a proven player(one who isn't a bust) has more value that a draft pick ever could.

[roscoeparrishfan]

I think it's more to do with his bulk.

Parrish 5-9 168lbs

Smith 5-9 185lbs

Moss 5-10 190lbs

Parrish is VERY lithe for a WR.

I'm not saying he can't do it.....just showing the stats.

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Its definatly a concern but from what I've seen If he can stay heathly, and thats the big question, his size is actually an advatage. He is so shifty and agile, he can stop on a dime and change direction faster than anyone. This could be mainy because he is so much smaller than them.