Dante Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Im not nearly as smitten with Willis as most Bills fans are. I read these boards and watch WM and wonder what I am missing. Honestly, he seems decent but not great. If Willis and his agent think so highly of themselves than so be it. I would gladly trade him for a great OLineman or high draft pick(s) to get linemen. Then, search for a serviceable rb. It's all about the offensive line not the RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 This is great. So typical of the lunacy here. If a player isn't the best player to ever play at his position (and all the national media annoint him as such), then he must go because the grass is always greener elsewhere. Is WM the best running back in the league - NO. Is he currently one of the top backs, cetainly top 10, - YES. There's no way you cut him. You can't build a Superbowl team if you're always cutting your better players. We had "average" or "serviceable" running backs - Travis and Smith come to mind. But we cut them too. All NE did was take Smith and win a Superbowl. We definitely need to upgrade the Oline for WM to achieve all he's capable of. But if you cut WM and then build the line, what do you have? A great line and no running back. So then everyone is posting about how great we'd be if we could finally get a decent back. Stop the insanity. Keep the good players - at all costs. Replace the crappy ones and watch us win. It always amazes me how everyone blames Ralph and TD for not spending enough money on this position or that one or on a coach, but then when we have a player, playing in his prime, with top 5 stats - noone wants to pay him enough money to keep him. And all this talk about top backs, please. WM is in his second year and is already producing top 5 numbers. He could easily have another 5 or 6 years with this production. That's one heck of a good investment. I'd take that over a 1 year flash in the pan like Lewis any day of the week. Bottom line WM is currently, and for the fore seeable future a ttop 5 running back. Keep him and move on to another position to upgrade. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 This is great. So typical of the lunacy here. If a player isn't the best player to ever play at his position (and all the national media annoint him as such), then he must go because the grass is always greener elsewhere. 507110[/snapback] Great post and reflects my sentiments exactly. I say the same about MW also - though not popular on this board, I firmly believe we should keep him if he restructures his contract. Also keep EM and NC. Same logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 This is great. So typical of the lunacy here. If a player isn't the best player to ever play at his position (and all the national media annoint him as such), then he must go because the grass is always greener elsewhere. Is WM the best running back in the league - NO. Is he currently one of the top backs, cetainly top 10, - YES. There's no way you cut him. You can't build a Superbowl team if you're always cutting your better players. We had "average" or "serviceable" running backs - Travis and Smith come to mind. But we cut them too. All NE did was take Smith and win a Superbowl. We definitely need to upgrade the Oline for WM to achieve all he's capable of. But if you cut WM and then build the line, what do you have? A great line and no running back. So then everyone is posting about how great we'd be if we could finally get a decent back. Stop the insanity. Keep the good players - at all costs. Replace the crappy ones and watch us win. It always amazes me how everyone blames Ralph and TD for not spending enough money on this position or that one or on a coach, but then when we have a player, playing in his prime, with top 5 stats - noone wants to pay him enough money to keep him. And all this talk about top backs, please. WM is in his second year and is already producing top 5 numbers. He could easily have another 5 or 6 years with this production. That's one heck of a good investment. I'd take that over a 1 year flash in the pan like Lewis any day of the week. Bottom line WM is currently, and for the fore seeable future a ttop 5 running back. Keep him and move on to another position to upgrade. Simple as that. 507110[/snapback] You are exactly correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Im not saying we get rid of WM. I guess what Im saying is that I put more value on OLinemen than RB's. I think you can win with a average RB and good OLine but you cant win with a good or even great RB and a weak Oline. Antoine Smith and the Pats are a good example of this. I look at qb's the same way. Some of the qb's that have won SB's in the past are average at best as well. Still not saying we should get rid of WM just that if demands became too expensive I would have no problem losing him as long as the money saved was allocated to the lines. JHMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 I know we have a bad offensive line. But WM looks so slow sometimes. And hedoesn't go all out driving for those extra yards. It seems that he picks and chooses his spots. Sometimes I think he is holding back to prevent injury. In other words he looks like he wants out of Buffalo when his contracts up. I would like to have another top notch RB on the roster. This way we can put some presssue on Willis. 503461[/snapback] I agree. I hope the Bills trade up and get Reggie Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Mike Alstott -Decent? He was a PROBOWL Player every year untill 2003 when he broke his neck! This year ( His last), he has 4 TD's I would not be surprised to see him get 6 more. He has had not a decent, but great career and will most likley be in the HOF. I will tell you, he is beloved here in Tampa. Great idea about Williams, God knows he can't play on the line, just give him the damn ball. 507055[/snapback] HoF? Hahahahahahahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fla Bills Fan Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Alstott?? great running back??...aww come on now..PS--I think the redskins need to ask the officials more than Alstott 507064[/snapback] Like I said you must have never seen him play! Go on any Tampa Bay board & dis him, see what Bucs fans will have to say to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenjames716 Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 a simple YES is the only reply needed in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Im not nearly as smitten with Willis as most Bills fans are. I read these boards and watch WM and wonder what I am missing. Honestly, he seems decent but not great. If Willis and his agent think so highly of themselves than so be it. I would gladly trade him for a great OLineman or high draft pick(s) to get linemen. Then, search for a serviceable rb. It's all about the offensive line not the RB 507069[/snapback] Right on. This is great. So typical of the lunacy here. If a player isn't the best player to ever play at his position (and all the national media annoint him as such), then he must go because the grass is always greener elsewhere. Is WM the best running back in the league - NO. Is he currently one of the top backs, cetainly top 10, - YES. There's no way you cut him. You can't build a Superbowl team if you're always cutting your better players. We had "average" or "serviceable" running backs - Travis and Smith come to mind. But we cut them too. All NE did was take Smith and win a Superbowl. We definitely need to upgrade the Oline for WM to achieve all he's capable of. But if you cut WM and then build the line, what do you have? A great line and no running back. So then everyone is posting about how great we'd be if we could finally get a decent back. Stop the insanity. Keep the good players - at all costs. Replace the crappy ones and watch us win. It always amazes me how everyone blames Ralph and TD for not spending enough money on this position or that one or on a coach, but then when we have a player, playing in his prime, with top 5 stats - noone wants to pay him enough money to keep him. And all this talk about top backs, please. WM is in his second year and is already producing top 5 numbers. He could easily have another 5 or 6 years with this production. That's one heck of a good investment. I'd take that over a 1 year flash in the pan like Lewis any day of the week. Bottom line WM is currently, and for the fore seeable future a ttop 5 running back. Keep him and move on to another position to upgrade. Simple as that. 507110[/snapback] Great o-lines make average running backs look great...see: BRONCOS, Denver. HoF? Hahahahahahahahahahaha 507240[/snapback] Thank you. You could go on a number of team boards and rip a fan fave and get ripped right back by posters. I guess forgot that being a fan favorite = HOF career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 HoF? Hahahahahahahahahahaha 507240[/snapback] I'm not a big fan of Alstott either but given the fact that he has been listed as a FB his entire career (despite not actually playing that position for most of it) there's a chance some moronic writers will look at his numbers and say, "those are great numbers for a FB" and vote him in. Sadly, it's really not that far fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Larry centers had the best numbers for a FB and i don't hear many claiming him to be a future HoFer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 HoF? Hahahahahahahahahahaha 507240[/snapback] Unbelievable how warped some people are re: their views on players. Alstott won pro bowl status cuz this is not a fullback league anymore. He was a slight bit better than the other mediocre fullbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fla Bills Fan Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Alstott played alongside Warric Dunn for much of his carrer, much like Czonka & Kicck. It is easy to dismiss someone you have never seen play much, I understand that, but you are just showing your own ignorence doing so. There is a reason Mike is a fan favorite, he always gives 100% effort, gets the job done and is a team player. Another thing most people like about him is he is humble, not a me me all about me like TO or WM. When he goes in the HOF it will be because he was a GREAT PLAYER, made the probowl from his rookie year untill he broke his neck, set numerous records, and won a Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Alstott played alongside Warric Dunn for much of his carrer, much like Czonka & Kicck. It is easy to dismiss someone you have never seen play much, I understand that, but you are just showing your own ignorence doing so. There is a reason Mike is a fan favorite, he always gives 100% effort, gets the job done and is a team player. Another thing most people like about him is he is humble, not a me me all about me like TO or WM. When he goes in the HOF it will be because he was a GREAT PLAYER, made the probowl from his rookie year untill he broke his neck, set numerous records, and won a Superbowl. 507366[/snapback] OF COURSE HE'S NOT A ME/ME PLAYER HE'S A FRIGGEN FULLBACK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Alstott played alongside Warric Dunn for much of his carrer, much like Czonka & Kicck. It is easy to dismiss someone you have never seen play much, I understand that, but you are just showing your own ignorence doing so. There is a reason Mike is a fan favorite, he always gives 100% effort, gets the job done and is a team player. Another thing most people like about him is he is humble, not a me me all about me like TO or WM. When he goes in the HOF it will be because he was a GREAT PLAYER, made the probowl from his rookie year untill he broke his neck, set numerous records, and won a Superbowl. 507366[/snapback] Alstott is a decent player, but I wouldn't confuse him with John Riggins, Jim Nance, Matt Snell, Franco Harris, Daryl Johnson etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 If Willis isn't our RB of the future, I pray Reggie Bush IS ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Alstott is a decent player, but I wouldn't confuse him with John Riggins, Jim Nance, Matt Snell, Franco Harris, Daryl Johnson etc. 507421[/snapback] I fully agree, and if I had the energy, I could come up with a lot more names. Shall we start with Marv Hubbard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 If Willis isn't our RB of the future, I pray Reggie Bush IS ! 507422[/snapback] Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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