TravelingDad48 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 You would almost think that Drew must have owed some people money on here .. or got their sister knocked up .. with the constant bashing the guy gets ... Looking back at the line of QB's the Bills have had from Jim Kelly and on ... Drew was darn OK ... Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating 2004 9-7 Drew 256 450 56.9 2932 6.5 20 16 76.6 2003 6-10 Drew 274 471 58.2 2860 6.07 11 12 73.0 2002 8-8 Drew 375 610 61.5 4359 7.15 24 15 86.0 2001 3-13 Van Pelt 178 307 58.0 2056 6.70 12 11 76.4 Johnson 134 216 62.0 1465 6.78 5 7 76.3 2000 8-8 Johnson 175 306 57.2 2125 6.94 12 7 82.2 Flutie 132 231 57.1 1700 7.36 8 3 86.5 1999 11-5 Johnson 25 34 73.5 298 8.76 2 0 119.5 Flutie 264 478 55.2 3171 6.63 19 16 75.1 1998 10-6 Johnson 67 107 62.6 910 8.50 8 3 102.9 Flurie 202 354 57.1 2711 7.66 20 11 87.4 1997 6-10 Collins 215 391 55.0 2367 6.05 12 13 69.5 1996 10-6 Kelly 222 379 58.6 2810 7.41 14 19 73.2 1995 10-6 Kelly 255 458 55.7 3130 6.83 22 13 81.1 1994 7-9 Kelly 285 448 63.6 3114 6.95 22 17 84.6 1993 12-4 Kelly 288 470 61.3 3382 7.20 18 18 79.9 1992 11-5 Kelly 269 462 58.2 3457 7.48 23 19 81.2 1991 13-3 Kelly 304 474 64.1 3844 8.11 33 17 97.6 1990 13-3 Kelly 219 346 63.3 2829 8.18 24 9 101.2 So lets see ... Jim Kelly (who is my favorite!) had 5 fairly average years ,, in fact last 5 years had almost the same TD's as INT's Then Todd Collins .... fairly bad Then the Flutie / Johnson years ... 3 winning years and pretty good TD / INT numbers ... so for all the bashing also did not do so bad ... Van Pelt ... numbers are not so bad for a 3-13 team Drew ... 2 more losses than wins ... his completion percent and yardage as good as Kelly ever did .. his rating was as good As Flutie and equal to Kelly's last year Bottom line ... Drew did a fair to average job as QB ...highest yardage year of anyone and no reason to bash the guy ... HELL of a lot better than ANYONE on this board could have done ! There are MANY other factors to consider but they are not just QB factors (like running game, WR's, OL, quality of the D, special teams) but with just the QB numbers Drew was at least as good as the past QB's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movinon Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 You would almost think that Drew must have owed some people money on here .. or got their sister knocked up .. with the constant bashing the guy gets ... Looking back at the line of QB's the Bills have had from Jim Kelly and on ... Drew was darn OK ... Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating 2004 9-7 Drew 256 450 56.9 2932 6.5 20 16 76.6 2003 6-10 Drew 274 471 58.2 2860 6.07 11 12 73.0 2002 8-8 Drew 375 610 61.5 4359 7.15 24 15 86.0 2001 3-13 Van Pelt 178 307 58.0 2056 6.70 12 11 76.4 Johnson 134 216 62.0 1465 6.78 5 7 76.3 2000 8-8 Johnson 175 306 57.2 2125 6.94 12 7 82.2 Flutie 132 231 57.1 1700 7.36 8 3 86.5 1999 11-5 Johnson 25 34 73.5 298 8.76 2 0 119.5 Flutie 264 478 55.2 3171 6.63 19 16 75.1 1998 10-6 Johnson 67 107 62.6 910 8.50 8 3 102.9 Flurie 202 354 57.1 2711 7.66 20 11 87.4 1997 6-10 Collins 215 391 55.0 2367 6.05 12 13 69.5 1996 10-6 Kelly 222 379 58.6 2810 7.41 14 19 73.2 1995 10-6 Kelly 255 458 55.7 3130 6.83 22 13 81.1 1994 7-9 Kelly 285 448 63.6 3114 6.95 22 17 84.6 1993 12-4 Kelly 288 470 61.3 3382 7.20 18 18 79.9 1992 11-5 Kelly 269 462 58.2 3457 7.48 23 19 81.2 1991 13-3 Kelly 304 474 64.1 3844 8.11 33 17 97.6 1990 13-3 Kelly 219 346 63.3 2829 8.18 24 9 101.2 So lets see ... Jim Kelly (who is my favorite!) had 5 fairly average years ,, in fact last 5 years had almost the same TD's as INT's Then Todd Collins .... fairly bad Then the Flutie / Johnson years ... 3 winning years and pretty good TD / INT numbers ... so for all the bashing also did not do so bad ... Van Pelt ... numbers are not so bad for a 3-13 team Drew ... 2 more losses than wins ... his completion percent and yardage as good as Kelly ever did .. his rating was as good As Flutie and equal to Kelly's last year Bottom line ... Drew did a fair to average job as QB ...highest yardage year of anyone and no reason to bash the guy ... HELL of a lot better than ANYONE on this board could have done ! There are MANY other factors to consider but they are not just QB factors (like running game, WR's, OL, quality of the D, special teams) but with just the QB numbers Drew was at least as good as the past QB's 418939[/snapback] This has to be the most ridiculous post I've ever seen! Let me get this straight, Travelingman. You're comparing Kelly to Bledsoe?!?! I don't need to explain how absurd that is, I'm sure others will. Not only do you compare those two, but your "accurate" assessment that DB would do better than "any of us" is some hard hitting commentary. HE'S A FREAKIN NFL QB, I would hope he's a little better anyone on this board(...and not by much). If your purpose was to stir the pot, you've done that. If your purpose was to somehow to convince others that DB, in ANY way compares to Jimbo, you've failed miserably. JEEZ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 This has to be the most ridiculous post I've ever seen! Let me get this straight, Travelingman. You're comparing Kelly to Bledsoe?!?! I don't need to explain how absurd that is, I'm sure others will. Not only do you compare those two, but your "accurate" assessment that DB would do better than "any of us" is some hard hitting commentary. HE'S A FREAKIN NFL QB, I would hope he's a little better anyone on this board(...and not by much). If your purpose was to stir the pot, you've done that. If your purpose was to somehow to convince others that DB, in ANY way compares to Jimbo, you've failed miserably. JEEZ........ 418947[/snapback] I think that Kelly, in his prime, was better than Drew, but imo, you are as off base as the original poster to state that they dont "compare" in any way. Yardage The above is one area in which they certainly compare. TDs There is another. Kelly was not God, ya know? He too needed a ton of blocking (especially near the end), and neither of them brought us a superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 I just caught that this is the second place he posted this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 I just caught that this is the second place he posted this. 418950[/snapback] Look at his screen name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Look at his screen name. 418952[/snapback] Hey, it's early. Still in my first cup of coffee. Isn't it amazing how two people can have exactly the same thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 it's over , move on . JP is the QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 it's over , move on . JP is the QB 418983[/snapback] Are you saying this to us, or a mirror? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Are you saying this to us, or a mirror? 418987[/snapback] just the people that keep thinking drew should still be here . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 just the people that keep thinking drew should still be here . 418990[/snapback] I was to the point where I didn't care if they started Barney the Purple Dinosaur this year. At least he'd be different than what we've seen time after time after time. It's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeleelop Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 there are a lot of stats which show nothing. the bills could not win with bledsoe. move on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 I think that Kelly, in his prime, was better than Drew, but imo, you are as off base as the original poster to state that they dont "compare" in any way. Yardage The above is one area in which they certainly compare. TDs There is another. Kelly was not God, ya know? He too needed a ton of blocking (especially near the end), and neither of them brought us a superbowl. 418949[/snapback] Come on. You know it's more than the numbers. No comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeRay Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Right.... if you think Bledsoe was OK, then, congratulations on your endosement of "barely adequate". If you want a QB that knows how to win, then I'll take Kelly and Flutie in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 None of those people work here any longer. Perhaps something to be said for being the best of a bad lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Bottom line ... Drew did a fair to average job as QB ...highest yardage year of anyone and no reason to bash the guy ... HELL of a lot better than ANYONE on this board could have done ! Here's an idea. Put "fair to average" on your resume and see where it gets you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Got a stat for games blown by crucial fumbles and inopportune interceptions? Didn't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 You would almost think that Drew must have owed some people money on here .. or got their sister knocked up .. with the constant bashing the guy gets ... Looking back at the line of QB's the Bills have had from Jim Kelly and on ... Drew was darn OK ... Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating 2004 9-7 Drew 256 450 56.9 2932 6.5 20 16 76.6 2003 6-10 Drew 274 471 58.2 2860 6.07 11 12 73.0 2002 8-8 Drew 375 610 61.5 4359 7.15 24 15 86.0 2001 3-13 Van Pelt 178 307 58.0 2056 6.70 12 11 76.4 Johnson 134 216 62.0 1465 6.78 5 7 76.3 2000 8-8 Johnson 175 306 57.2 2125 6.94 12 7 82.2 Flutie 132 231 57.1 1700 7.36 8 3 86.5 1999 11-5 Johnson 25 34 73.5 298 8.76 2 0 119.5 Flutie 264 478 55.2 3171 6.63 19 16 75.1 1998 10-6 Johnson 67 107 62.6 910 8.50 8 3 102.9 Flurie 202 354 57.1 2711 7.66 20 11 87.4 1997 6-10 Collins 215 391 55.0 2367 6.05 12 13 69.5 1996 10-6 Kelly 222 379 58.6 2810 7.41 14 19 73.2 1995 10-6 Kelly 255 458 55.7 3130 6.83 22 13 81.1 1994 7-9 Kelly 285 448 63.6 3114 6.95 22 17 84.6 1993 12-4 Kelly 288 470 61.3 3382 7.20 18 18 79.9 1992 11-5 Kelly 269 462 58.2 3457 7.48 23 19 81.2 1991 13-3 Kelly 304 474 64.1 3844 8.11 33 17 97.6 1990 13-3 Kelly 219 346 63.3 2829 8.18 24 9 101.2 So lets see ... Jim Kelly (who is my favorite!) had 5 fairly average years ,, in fact last 5 years had almost the same TD's as INT's Then Todd Collins .... fairly bad Then the Flutie / Johnson years ... 3 winning years and pretty good TD / INT numbers ... so for all the bashing also did not do so bad ... Van Pelt ... numbers are not so bad for a 3-13 team Drew ... 2 more losses than wins ... his completion percent and yardage as good as Kelly ever did .. his rating was as good As Flutie and equal to Kelly's last year Bottom line ... Drew did a fair to average job as QB ...highest yardage year of anyone and no reason to bash the guy ... HELL of a lot better than ANYONE on this board could have done ! There are MANY other factors to consider but they are not just QB factors (like running game, WR's, OL, quality of the D, special teams) but with just the QB numbers Drew was at least as good as the past QB's 418939[/snapback] So lets see, drew was good because he has a better W/L that some of our other QB's? I guess defense had nothing to do with it. Also, when comparing QB's take a look at a little thingy called PASSER RATING! Drew has one of the worsts (combined over his 3 yrs) on that entire list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 We won with Kelly and Flutie, we lost with everyone else. Thats all that matters. The team around those players might have been better or worse, but the only thing people need to look at are wins and loses. Bledsoe might win in Dallas, but Dallas is not Buffalo. He didnt do it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 We won with Kelly and Flutie, we lost with everyone else. Thats all that matters. The team around those players might have been better or worse, but the only thing people need to look at are wins and loses. Bledsoe might win in Dallas, but Dallas is not Buffalo. He didnt do it here. 419121[/snapback] Good post Mr. Truth! Do you apply this only to qbs? How about GMs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 but your "accurate" assessment that DB would do better than "any of us" is some hard hitting commentary. HE'S A FREAKIN NFL QB, I would hope he's a little better anyone on this board(...and not by much). He's not better than Stojan's grandmother though, that's for sure. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingDad48 Posted August 26, 2005 Author Share Posted August 26, 2005 Wow .. so many thoughtfull intelligent replys ! my POINT was a responce to posts like "Drew had a movement today .. took a dump" and the like. The numbers show that Drew was no better or worse than the beloved Kelly or Flutie in his stats. Was it time for a chance .. sure it was .. is JP the answer .. sure hope so but WAY to early to tell ... was Drew a bum .. hell no ... he had weaknesses and strengths ... and often the people around a QB either hide them or make them all the more apparent. Imagine if Kelly had to run for his life .. he had no whels wither. Besides Moulds who did Drew have over the 3 years to throw to ... Price ? hurt Tight ends .. I know .. he fumbled ... patted the ball .. lost all of our games ... Guess it was he who missed FG's ... who let game ending TD;s happen against the defense ..etc! Its a team sport and all play a role ... Drew was not as people "like" to remember ... he never blamed others and got up after many a brutal hit ... so why do people have such a problem moving on ... I thought the numbers were interesting just the same ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Wow .. so many thoughtfull intelligent replys ! my POINT was a responce to posts like "Drew had a movement today .. took a dump" and the like. The numbers show that Drew was no better or worse than the beloved Kelly or Flutie in his stats. Was it time for a chance .. sure it was .. is JP the answer .. sure hope so but WAY to early to tell ... was Drew a bum .. hell no ... he had weaknesses and strengths ... and often the people around a QB either hide them or make them all the more apparent. Imagine if Kelly had to run for his life .. he had no whels wither. Besides Moulds who did Drew have over the 3 years to throw to ... Price ? hurt Tight ends .. I know .. he fumbled ... patted the ball .. lost all of our games ... Guess it was he who missed FG's ... who let game ending TD;s happen against the defense ..etc! Its a team sport and all play a role ... Drew was not as people "like" to remember ... he never blamed others and got up after many a brutal hit ... so why do people have such a problem moving on ... I thought the numbers were interesting just the same ! 419680[/snapback] Mac Bledsoe, please fight the urge to defend your son on the buffalo bills message board when he is no longer a member of the team. We know hes washed up and only a year or 2 away from being out of the league, and we thank you for his 3 years here in buffalo. But please leave us alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Right.... if you think Bledsoe was OK, then, congratulations on your endosement of "barely adequate". If you want a QB that knows how to win, then I'll take Kelly and Flutie in a heartbeat. 419016[/snapback] Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper13 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 You forgot wins. losses, playoff appearances, playoff wins. Stats are just numbers on a piece of paper. They don't mean much without W's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 one key area where kelly generally kicks bledsoe's ass is yards per attempt -- what you might call the "explosiveness" statistic. i look at YPA to gauge how "dangerous" a QB is, since a higher number combines accuracy (high completion %) and yardage. bledsoe as a bill doesn't hold a candle to kelly in that respect. (by the way, i expect losman's YPA to be rather low this season -- probably in the 6.5 range) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 one key area where kelly generally kicks bledsoe's ass is yards per attempt -- what you might call the "explosiveness" statistic. i look at YPA to gauge how "dangerous" a QB is, since a higher number combines accuracy (high completion %) and yardage. bledsoe as a bill doesn't hold a candle to kelly in that respect. (by the way, i expect losman's YPA to be rather low this season -- probably in the 6.5 range) 419691[/snapback] What are the YPA stats over the course of their entire NFL careers? I really have no idea, just curious. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 What are the YPA stats over the course of their entire NFL careers? I really have no idea, just curious. Thanks! 419692[/snapback] kelly -- 7.42 bledsoe -- 6.58 thanks for making me do the research -- i rest my case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spun Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Got a stat for games blown by crucial fumbles and inopportune interceptions? Didn't think so. 419053[/snapback] Agreed. The stats do not include many variables for quality of play such as distinguishing between a deflected pass or throwing into double teams or inexplicably choking the ball away. It is also true that offensive line protection can do wonders for stats and quality. Kelly could have played longer if he wasn't so beat up physically and mentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie68 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 drew is now irrelevant. next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 drew is now irrelevant. next 419784[/snapback] Agreed. Man, this is like hiding in the methadone clinic to get out of the rain. Just a few more weeks, people...we've gone this long. We will have football soon. Football hasn't left us. Soothing football will be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rui Pereira Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 This has to be the most ridiculous post I've ever seen! Let me get this straight, Travelingman. You're comparing Kelly to Bledsoe?!?! I don't need to explain how absurd that is, I'm sure others will. Not only do you compare those two, but your "accurate" assessment that DB would do better than "any of us" is some hard hitting commentary. HE'S A FREAKIN NFL QB, I would hope he's a little better anyone on this board(...and not by much). If your purpose was to stir the pot, you've done that. If your purpose was to somehow to convince others that DB, in ANY way compares to Jimbo, you've failed miserably. JEEZ........ 418947[/snapback] Is Kelly in HOF???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 The only stats that matter? 76 wins from 1990 to 1996, with Jim Kelly as the starter for the vast majority. 61 wins after 1997, split among Bledsoe, Flutie, Johnson, Van Pelt and Hobert. No comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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