Debate Over: Drake Maye can’t hold Josh Allen’s jockstrap

[Dillenger4]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Technically for a half Allen couldn’t make any plays..  I have no idea how great Maye will be, I do think he will be top 5 because he can make all the throws and do it under duress.. can he do it consistently or in the last 2 minutes? we don’t know yet.. he is young and still learning and yesterday I blame 100%!on the D.. you need make at least a couple stops in a half no excuses no Bull about refs etc they need to make stops.. IMO it’s unfair to ask a 23 yr old to go toe to toe with the reigning MVP and just beat him blow for blow.. (mind you their stat lines were scary similar 199 yards to 155 yards 3 TD to 2 TD (rushing for Maye) )  I would say 98% of the NFL QB will lose whe their D can’t stop the opposing D even once when it mattered in a half.. (closest they came was the 4th down PI completed pass that was sus lol)

What are you talking about?!?? maye had his chances. he couldn't read our D at all. His throws were out of bounds and high all day. he was lost buddy. He's an OK QB, I'll give you that. Like serviceable. Real coaches like our D co and head coach can figure him out with ease. (e.g. see yesterdays game). Your OC was runb out of 2 towns for a reason. Now he has a JAG in Maye and it shows.

You guys will lose to Baltimore and the Phins. Bank it.

[tigerthelion]

I have changed  my mind on who has been better "this season" now.  I had Maye ahead, slightly, before this game. Josh Allen has played better than Drake Maye this season.  What he has done over the past two weeks especially, has put him ahead in my mind.  I just can't look past what Josh has done, putting the team on his back.  He has four herculean efforts this year, at least, grabbing victory from the jaws of defeat.  The performances against Baltimore (with a full, healthy lineup), KC, Cincinatti and New England were phenomenal.   Even with a few clunkers this year, the good far outweighs the bad.  He creates on his own far more than Maye.  Maye is pretty darn good, but I can't in good conscience put him ahead even for this year alone.  

Edited 8 hours ago by tigerthelion

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

What are you talking about?!?? maye had his chances. he couldn't read our D at all. His throws were out of bounds and high all day. he was lost buddy. He's an OK QB, I'll give you that. Like serviceable. Real coaches like our D co and head coach can figure him out with ease. (e.g. see yesterdays game). Your OC was runb out of 2 towns for a reason. Now he has a JAG in Maye and it shows.

You guys will lose to Baltimore and the Phins. Bank it.

Even as a bills fan I can say you are wrong.  Maye has IT.  They are going to be a problem.  I don't care what their schedule is but that's something to see in the future if they play a stronger schedule.

He's had plenty of strong games but finally had to have a "comeback" game and that's when he started to panic.  As a 2nd year player, I'm not surprised that he couldn't handle that pressure.  He will grow and learn from it and unfortunately, likely get better.  Honestly hope he goes the Stroud route and turns into a pumpkin but they have so much money available to help him out and he'll likely even out instead of riding high for most of the season.

[stinky finger]

22 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

Is he Josh Allen no, but he's a damn good young QB that will be a pain for the Bills for years to come. Good to see us pull out the win and now we need to root for Ravens next week which I don't like at all. 

Rooting against the Patriots will be the easiest thing I ever do. No matter who the opponent is. 

[K-9]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

What don’t you understand about THIS SEASON?  You do understand the difference between being a better passer, QB, RB, LB, CB THIS season and just being better Overall (in which I’ve said that Josh is the better). I said that to that point in the season, I thought Maye had had a better seasons. 
 

Again, who’s had the better season, Mahomess or Maye?  If it’s unfair to compare Maye to Stafford or Allen, it must be unfair to compare him to Mahomes.   Maye has had a better season than Mahomes.  That doesn’t mean he’s a better QB.  Why is it so hard for people to comprehend this?  

I literally bolded my comment.  I said the sample size of 2025

There is nothing difficult about understanding your point about THIS SEASON as it relates to respective PASSING stats. However, it appears you don’t appreciate the difference between quarterback and passer. So feel free to ignore the entire point I am making here. No worries. 
 

 

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Technically for a half Allen couldn’t make any plays..  I have no idea how great Maye will be, I do think he will be top 5 because he can make all the throws and do it under duress.. can he do it consistently or in the last 2 minutes? we don’t know yet.. he is young and still learning and yesterday I blame 100%!on the D.. you need make at least a couple stops in a half no excuses no Bull about refs etc they need to make stops.. IMO it’s unfair to ask a 23 yr old to go toe to toe with the reigning MVP and just beat him blow for blow.. (mind you their stat lines were scary similar 199 yards to 155 yards 3 TD to 2 TD (rushing for Maye) )  I would say 98% of the NFL QB will lose whe their D can’t stop the opposing D even once when it mattered in a half.. (closest they came was the 4th down PI completed pass that was sus lol)

 

Despite the stat lines, I do think Allen outplayed Maye yesterday mostly because Allen made plays when he had to and Maye didn't.  But, as a Bills fan, I do worry about Maye's potential.  And I worry about your coaching staff.  Vrabel came across as whiny after the loss yesterday.  Nonetheless, he's been the architect of a remarkable turnaround.  And McDaniels seems to be good for Maye and your offense.  

 

Already this season, you guys are likely to take the AFCE crown away from us.  And if Maye takes another leap forward next season, that'll spell trouble for us.  I liked it better when the AFCE was all about the Bills and no one else.  You had your 18, 19 years of AFCE dominance.  Let us have ours!  

 

I hate to wish ill on anyone, but I do hope that Maye does NOT take another step forward next year.  And I hope Vrabel's honeymoon with the players ends, and McDaniels shockingly gets another HC opportunity.  Minus that, the AFCE looks to be interesting for years to come.  

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, K-9 said:

There is nothing difficult about understanding your point about THIS SEASON as it relates to respective PASSING stats. However, it appears you don’t appreciate the difference between quarterback and passer. So feel free to ignore the entire point I am making here. No worries. 
 

 

lol.  Yes, I understand that there is a difference between QB and Passer.  This season is all I’m talking about.  

[The Frankish Reich]

Yeah, Maye is in his second year. Allen is in his 8th. I don't know that Maye will ever reach Allen's ability to single-handedly take over a game, but I wouldn't rule it out yet. He's at least Justin Herbert good, maybe he'll be even better.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The bolded "THIS SEASON" is not in the screen shot where you praised Maye at all.   Yeah I think @Einstein is definitely being hyperbolic in his criticism of you but the screenshot basically just reads like "Maye is better this and Maye is better that".  

 

I don't presume it's in context but I do get the feeling that there has been a lot of grass is greener on the other side, prisoner of the moment takes about Maye this season.  

 

I think I have a bit more than normal Bills-fan perspective on the Maye because I had followed his college and pro career so closely and I've seen the kind of warts that we saw in the second half yesterday on a number of occasions already.  

I didn’t see the screenshot he posted…but it would make sense if he left out the context of which I was speaking.  

[K-9]

Just now, NewEra said:

lol.  Yes, I understand that there is a difference between QB and Passer.  This season is all I’m talking about.  

Right. As I’ve been saying all along, we can compare Maye as a passer all we want THIS SEASON or ANY season, but not as a quarterback at this stage in his career. 

[juno999]

Allen is the best player in the NFL. Maye is a promising QB in his 2nd year.  The Cheats have some nice pieces at LT, RB, and CB.  The Jets and Fins are just there. The Cheats are going to be the challenge the next few years regarding the division. What is Maye’s ceiling?  Both the Bills and Cheats need a WR1. 

[The Frankish Reich]

There's a tier that only Mahomes and Allen occupy. Before that it was Brady and Peyton. (Maybe Rodgers)

In fact Chiefs fans probably exclude Allen until he has at least a couple rings.

Maye will probably never hit that tier. But what's the next tier? Drew Brees? I could see that.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

What don’t you understand about THIS SEASON?  You do understand the difference between being a better passer, QB, RB, LB, CB THIS season and just being better Overall (in which I’ve said that Josh is the better). I said that to that point in the season, I thought Maye had had a better seasons. 

 

This isn’t right either.

 

Allen should be MVP of the league this season too. He is the best player on the planet. 

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

There's a tier that only Mahomes and Allen occupy. Before that it was Brady and Peyton. (Maybe Rodgers)

In fact Chiefs fans probably exclude Allen until he has at least a couple rings.

Maye will probably never hit that tier. But what's the next tier? Drew Brees? I could see that.

He literally is still nothing close to a Drew Brees tier either lol

 

You're talking about a first ballot Hall of famer who's like a three or four time all pro

 

 

 

[NewEra]

32 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Right. As I’ve been saying all along, we can compare Maye as a passer all we want THIS SEASON or ANY season, but not as a quarterback at this stage in his career. 

And that’s all I was doing. As far as I can tell, that’s all @dave mcbridewas saying.  We are comparing THIS SEASON….not the whole package.  Has ANYONE said that Maye is a better QB than Allen?   I certainly have not. 

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

This isn’t right either.

 

Allen should be MVP of the league this season too. He is the best player on the planet. 

Obviously, if you don’t agree with it, it isn’t right. We know.  
 

We also know that you are sensitive and quick to react every time someone says something you don’t agree with regarding 17.  
 

 

[Dillenger4]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

Even as a bills fan I can say you are wrong.  Maye has IT.  They are going to be a problem.  I don't care what their schedule is but that's something to see in the future if they play a stronger schedule.

He's had plenty of strong games but finally had to have a "comeback" game and that's when he started to panic.  As a 2nd year player, I'm not surprised that he couldn't handle that pressure.  He will grow and learn from it and unfortunately, likely get better.  Honestly hope he goes the Stroud route and turns into a pumpkin but they have so much money available to help him out and he'll likely even out instead of riding high for most of the season.

He has evened out. He's not a special talent - nowhere near Stroud. I don't buy into the hype. Yes, he's good. Is he a game changer. Far, far from it. He's a Herbert. Will win some games, look good ding it. But when the game is needed and they need a stud - good luck.

[The Wiz]

2 hours ago, Dillenger4 said:

What are you talking about?!?? maye had his chances. he couldn't read our D at all. His throws were out of bounds and high all day. he was lost buddy. He's an OK QB, I'll give you that. Like serviceable. Real coaches like our D co and head coach can figure him out with ease. (e.g. see yesterdays game). Your OC was runb out of 2 towns for a reason. Now he has a JAG in Maye and it shows.

You guys will lose to Baltimore and the Phins. Bank it.

 

5 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

He has evened out. He's not a special talent - nowhere near Stroud. I don't buy into the hype. Yes, he's good. Is he a game changer. Far, far from it. He's a Herbert. Will win some games, look good ding it. But when the game is needed and they need a stud - good luck.

At what point has he evened out?  The 2nd half against the bills is probably the first time in a long time that he has played less than average (and that was only the 2nd half).

 

 

Then you reference him as JAG in one post and good in another.  Which is it?  A JAG at QB to me, is a guy that's not losing games and a good/great QB is a guy that is winning games despite what he has to work with.

[Dillenger4]

Just now, The Wiz said:

 

At what point has he evened out?  The 2nd half against the bills is probably the first time in a long time that he has played less than average (and that was only the 2nd half).

 

 

Then you reference him as JAG in one post and good in another.  Which is it?  A JAG at QB to me, is a guy that's not losing games and a good/great QB is a guy that is winning games despite what he has to work with.

JAG

[The Wiz]

15 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

JAG

So Herbert is JAG and Stroud is good in your opinion then, got it.

[Dillenger4]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

So Herbert is JAG and Stroud is good in your opinion then, got it.

Give it up. Bored today or something?

And both are Jags basically. But I assume you like them considering the level of knowledge you have shown through your posting history.

Stroud may become something - we will see. It's between the Bills and the Texans for the AFC rep in the SB.