There’s something different about McD this season…

[Avisan]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

You get the red x when you wrong

 

Daniels sees it, lesean mccoy sees it. Cowherd sees it ffs

Talking heads that are paid to stir the pot stir the pot, news at 11

[SectionC3]

26 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Great post, Sean is absolutely a great man and I hope he gets us there too.

 

The WR move MUST happen, or I fear Allen will have second thoughts about wanting to here his entire career.

 

 

 

Tim Graham just wants to cause trouble. Engagement farming and combative posts to fans on X.   

I wouldn't be so sure about that.  No inside knowledge, but that guy is a good, experienced reporter.  They often hear stuff they can't report.  This type of thing is something that easily could be seen as (and something I view as) dropping a hint. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Avisan said:

Talking heads that are paid to stir the pot stir the pot, news at 11

Former players. Guys who actually know ball

[Billsfanatic8989]

5 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

if McDermott can't win the SB this yr he never will

That's my point. There are no more excuses. The biggest hurdles are out of the way. 

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

You are completely wrong lol

 

The bills have a more complete offense now that could win a Super bowl then most of Josh's career 

 

Everybody said it was never going to happen when he had to be Superman all game.. now he doesn't he just has to do it a few times a game 

 

We have the most complete offense in the AFC that could win multiple ways.. we also are battle tested 

 

Sorry dude you're a 100% wrong this is an offense that could give any team a problem in the Super bowl.. and Josh isn't going to have to have 400 passing yards to win

 

There's plenty of people around the NFL who echo that sentiment besides the three u named

 

This offense is not going to be easy to stop in the playoffs

😂😂Name me one single other QB who wins that Bengals game and then talk to me about a 'complete offense'

Just now, Billsfanatic8989 said:

That's my point. There are no more excuses. The biggest hurdles are out of the way. 

See above lol

There will always be excuses

 

[Billsfanatic8989]

5 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

That's kind of a contrarian way to look at it.  If Reid/mahomes, Burrow/Taylor, Harbaugh/Jackson, Shotty/Dak, Campbell/Goff don't even make it to the Playoffs it would seem McD making it again would be thought of in a more positive light.

 

The plan had been get many bites at the apple - they are doing that.  The more shots the better the odds that one will hit.  Looks like another attempt is going to happen this year whereas it won't be happening in Dallas (and maybe not in Detroit, KC, and even Baltimore).

 

If McD didn't make the post-season it would not be better for him, not at all.

I never suggested that. He should be outright canned if they missed the postseason. 

[Buffalo716]

40 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂Name me one single other QB who wins that Bengals game and then talk to me about a 'complete offense'

See above lol

There will always be excuses

 

 

 you're not understanding what I'm saying buddy 

 

There's no point in debating with you because I'm not saying I don't want better wide receivers 

 

This is a salary cap league and Josh has a 350 million contract... You can't have pro bowlers everywhere 

 

We do have a top three offensive line in the NFL.. I wouldn't trade that for the Bengals wide receivers because guess what Joe b is consistently hurt and on his back.. he also misses the playoffs 

 

We also just paid cook who's one of the best running backs in the NFL... 

 

You don't pay him to hand it off the ball to him 10 times a game... We're getting our money out of it... And he absolutely takes pressure off Josh 

 

You just go to a semantic like name one quarterback who would win the game against the Bengals lol the Bills score 28 points per game lol everybody around the league knows we can sneeze out 30 

 

If anything you're the one making excuses 

 

I am 100% certain this offense is good enough to win a Super bowl.. you need to be able to win in variety.. Josh Allen dropping back and throwing 40 times a game would not make this offense look better consistently 

 

We could win with Josh throwing 20 times.. and we could win with Josh throwing 35 times

 

If you go back 5 years ago we could not win a game without Josh Allen being Josh Allen.. we literally have won with Josh doing not much some games this year

 

You can't even compare the variety in our offense right now to four or five years ago... We were never winning a Super bowl with Devin singletary as our running back 

 

You're angry that Josh Allen went Superman? That doesn't mean our offense sucks and that he has to do it all the time like he used to... He used to have to put on the cape consistently for 60 minutes weekly... Singletary had six 100 yard games in 4 years... Josh consistently needed a cape 

 

James Cook has seven 100 yd games this season... Dude I'm sorry that takes immense pressure off of Josh throughout 17 game regular season.. now he puts the cape on when we need him not 60 minutes every game all season that's a huge difference

 

McDermott has this team playing very hard till the last whistle for him.. this team will not be an easy out in playoffs for anyone 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Einstein's Dog]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

McDs resume grows with every passing season. He’s shown me nothing to indicate this year will be any different from recent playoff failures. 

This is a recurring sentiment here, that the Bills have recently somehow been failures.  That there aren't good seasons unless a Superbowl is involved.

 

2 hours ago, Avisan said:

Coaches of 9-4 teams are of course notorious for requiring fall guys

See above, many posters now seemingly discount the regular season.  A season is considered by some a failure unless a Superbowl is involved.  And we're seeing this as good teams/coaches/QBs are struggling to get in this year.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

He’s most definitely a good football coach. But he’s not winning a championship with the Buffalo Bills. You have to better than ‘good’ to win the Super Bowl. 

Meh. Pederson and Sirianni have rings and they’re barely “good”

[Aesop]

Seasons not even over and people already saying McD cant win a superbowl. Why even watch? Just play madden, simulate the seasons until the Bills win.

 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Avisan said:

Talking heads that are paid to stir the pot stir the pot, news at 11

 

Do you think Devin McCourty is paid to stir the pot? I saw him on FNIA on Sunday talk about how Josh Allen is the only reason we make the playoffs every year, then when we inevitably lose he unduly takes all the blame on his shoulders. Like the supporting cast around him doesn't even deserve to be there, but the narrative becomes that Allen is playing on a Super Bowl caliber team and can't finish the job.

 

As I've said before Allen is a victim of his own success. He gets criticized for not winning playoff games that we have no right to even be in. His ridiculous and unsustainable caliber of play last year convinced his GM that the offense was perfectly fine without a lick of WR talent. He singlehandedly erases so many flaws with the coaching staff and the roster that it's almost impossible to evaluate the rest of the machine around him which means McDermott and Beane probably have lifetime contracts. I'm not sure that any one player in NFL history had the singular effect that Allen has had on the Bills. Not that he's the GOAT, that mantle still belongs to Tom Brady, but I do think he erases mistakes better than anybody else that came before him. McDermott and Beane's careers were absolutely built by Josh Allen, and I don't even mean that as a criticism of them it's just a fact. Hell I'm convinced our new stadium deal was built by him too.

 

It's a shame that this regime inexplicably chose to lean away from Allen's greatness in this 2nd window rebuild, but hopefully they've learned from the entirely predictable mistake and will pull a 180 in the coming offseason whether we win the Super Bowl or not.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by HappyDays

[BillsShredder83]

9 hours ago, Casey D said:

We all can't be Barry Switzer or Doug Pederson--- truly great NFL coaches to win a SB.

 

8 hours ago, RkFast said:

 

Dude, Bruce Arians won a Super Bowl. 

If that's the logic we should trade Josh Allen for Trent Dilfer!

 

What are we even talking about here? 

 

Sure it can happen butttttt, there are certainly upgrades, and we can acknowledge things could be a loooooot better.  Biggest blunders have been his repeated refusal to hire successful coordinators.  Theres been a lot too.  Thats enough to can a guy alone IMO, without factoring in all the other elements.

 

I'd LOVEEEE to be wrong, but this team is a pretender 100%.  Please prove me wrong!!!

[BillsShredder83]

6 hours ago, Kornfed said:

The hiring of both Dorsey and Brady was all about continuity (not making Josh learn a completely new system). The hiring of Frazier and Babich was all about getting coaches who would complement the McDermott defensive system. All of these hiring/promotions made sense. They may not have worked out perfectly but they made sense. 

Hard to care who, what or why he cant get the job done.  It's a binary question:

 

Can you win a SB or not?

 

We've been patient, Josh is 30, the NFL is terrible this year, and I do NOT believe in our chances this season.

[Buffalo716]

30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Do you think Devin McCourty is paid to stir the pot? I saw him on FNIA on Sunday talk about how Josh Allen is the only reason we make the playoffs every year, then when we inevitably lose he unduly takes all the blame on his shoulders. Like the supporting cast around him doesn't even deserve to be there, but the narrative becomes that Allen is playing on a Super Bowl caliber team and can't finish the job.

 

As I've said before Allen is a victim of his own success. He gets criticized for not winning playoff games that we have no right to even be in. His ridiculous and unsustainable caliber of play last year convinced his GM that the offense was perfectly fine without a lick of WR talent. He singlehandedly erases so many flaws with the coaching staff and the roster that it's almost impossible to evaluate the rest of the machine around him which means McDermott and Beane probably have lifetime contracts. I'm not sure that any one player in NFL history had the singular effect that Allen has had on the Bills. Not that he's the GOAT, that mantle still belongs to Tom Brady, but I do think he erases mistakes better than anybody else that came before him. McDermott and Beane's careers were absolutely built by Josh Allen, and I don't even mean that as a criticism of them it's just a fact. Hell I'm convinced our new stadium deal was built by him too.

 

It's a shame that this regime inexplicably chose to lean away from Allen's greatness in this 2nd window rebuild, but hopefully they've learned from the entirely predictable mistake and will pull a 180 in the coming offseason whether we win the Super Bowl or not.

 

The Buffalo Bills made the playoffs with tyrod Taylor and a worse roster lol Sean McDermott is very under appreciated here

 

The Chiefs are under 500 right now and they are not devoid of talent 

 

The league and coaches are paid a lot of money to catch up to the best teams... And the bills are still a step ahead

 

There is not one quarterback in NFL history who could take a three-win team and lead them to 12 or 13 wins consistently lol it literally is the ultimate team game 

 

5 years ago we couldn't win a game without Josh Allen putting on a Superman cape.. we literally have one games this year where he had to do very little... We've taken a lot of pressure off of Josh opposed to 5 years ago 

 

That's the biggest thing.. you see where teams peak in the first 6 weeks peak at 12 weeks .. this team is still not peaked yet which is good for playoff chances 

 

It is a lazy thing to say Josh Allen is propping up a three-win team lol we've beat the Chiefs five straight times in the regular season that takes coaching and talent

 

I don't believe we have a top three roster... But we're not a bottom 10 roster lol

 

PFF and ESPN had us both inside the top seven for roster talent... PFF has us 5th ... There are a lot of good football players on this team just not a lot of all pros outside of Josh

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It is a lazy thing to say Josh Allen is propping up a three-win team lol we've beat the Chiefs five straight times in the regular season that takes coaching and talent

 

I don't think we're a 3 win team without Allen and I don't think McDermott is a bad coach. He's the proverbial RB that gets you 2 yards on 3rd and 2, and also gets you 2 yards on 1st and 10. My issue has been that McDermott and Beane chose to build the team in a way that takes away from Allen's greatness. Then we inevitably get into games like this past Sunday where we need Allen to be beyond great and boy are we blessed that he can pull off a win like that even when so much around him goes wrong, but to use McDermott's own words "it shouldn't have to be that hard" to win through the passing game. They intentionally constructed the team to have that flaw, and for what it's worth I give McDermott and Beane equal blame on that front.

 

Like I said earlier in the thread I give McDermott credit for letting Allen win him the game. I don't mean that sarcastically. The best thing he and Beane can do moving forward is to build the team around Allen and get out of the way. He can gift them both a Hall of Fame legacy if they'll only let him. Some of McDermott's comments this year and his aggressiveness against Cincy give me hope that he's finally figured that out, and Beane goes as McDermott goes as far as I'm concerned.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't think we're a 3 win team without Allen and I don't think McDermott is a bad coach. He's the proverbial RB that gets you 2 yards on 3rd and 2, and also gets you 2 yards on 1st and 10. My issue has been that McDermott and Beane chose to build the team in a way that takes away from Allen's greatness. Then we inevitably get into games like this past Sunday where we need Allen to be beyond great and boy are we blessed that he can pull off a win like that even when so much around him goes wrong, but to use McDermott's own words "it shouldn't have to be that hard" to win through the passing game. They intentionally constructed the team to have that flaw, and for what it's worth I give McDermott and Beane equal blame on that front.

 

Like I said earlier in the thread I give McDermott credit for letting Allen win him the game. I don't mean that sarcastically. The best thing he and Beane can do moving forward is to build the team around Allen and get out of the way. He can gift them both a Hall of Fame legacy if they'll only let him. Some of McDermott's comments this year and his aggressiveness against Cincy give me hope that he's finally figured that out, and Beane goes as McDermott goes as far as I'm concerned.

People always try to make Sean McDermott out like Bill belichick 

 

He does not have full control of the organization.. there is a reason why they pay Brandon millions of dollars a year

 

If he had no importance Sean McDermott would double dip 

 

Brandon brings in the groceries Sean Cooks them... He does not have enough time to be scouting college players and seeing who is a gem and who is a bust... Elam is nothing close to a Sean McDermott type guy yet we took him in the first round that's Brandon

 

That's why there is a general manager at the end of the day... 4-5 years ago this team had very good wide receivers... And the team was Josh Allen centric and it was not going to win a Super bowl because you can't put everything on a quarterback for 60 minutes 

 

We had to get more balanced... You need to be able to win every style of football game to win a Super bowl.. to get through the playoffs and win a Super bowl you need to be able to play every style 

 

This team today is much closer to that goal than it was 5 years ago... Brandon needs to just draft a better wide receiver or two 

 

But there's a salary cap and I'm keeping Josh upright before spending on fancy toys... Bengals miss the playoffs even when Joe was healthy because they have too many issues 

 

The bills might not have fancy toys but we are built to win multiple styles which Cincinnati really hasn't for most of Joe's career 

 

This is the NFL coordinators get paid a lot of money to take away your best weapon so you need to be able to do it three or four different ways.. and we are definitely in a better spot for that today than 5 years ago 

 

But Sean doesn't have enough time to scout college players.. he's game planning for the Patriots

 

This board has been crying for years that we make Josh be Superman too much.. putting the ball on his hands 45 times every game would just be more pressure... We have in fact taken a lot of that pressure off.. singletary had six 100 yard games in 4 years 

 

Cook has 7 this year... That is taking insurmountable pressure off of Josh Allen and he doesn't need to play Superman 60 minutes per game for 17 regular season games.. he just needs to put the cape on at the right time

Edited 47 minutes ago by Buffalo716

[Avisan]

38 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Do you think Devin McCourty is paid to stir the pot? I saw him on FNIA on Sunday talk about how Josh Allen is the only reason we make the playoffs every year, then when we inevitably lose he unduly takes all the blame on his shoulders. Like the supporting cast around him doesn't even deserve to be there, but the narrative becomes that Allen is playing on a Super Bowl caliber team and can't finish the job.

 

As I've said before Allen is a victim of his own success. He gets criticized for not winning playoff games that we have no right to even be in. His ridiculous and unsustainable caliber of play last year convinced his GM that the offense was perfectly fine without a lick of WR talent. He singlehandedly erases so many flaws with the coaching staff and the roster that it's almost impossible to evaluate the rest of the machine around him which means McDermott and Beane probably have lifetime contracts. I'm not sure that any one player in NFL history had the singular effect that Allen has had on the Bills. Not that he's the GOAT, that mantle still belongs to Tom Brady, but I do think he erases mistakes better than anybody else that came before him. McDermott and Beane's careers were absolutely built by Josh Allen, and I don't even mean that as a criticism of them it's just a fact. Hell I'm convinced our new stadium deal was built by him too.

 

It's a shame that this regime inexplicably chose to lean away from Allen's greatness in this 2nd window rebuild, but hopefully they've learned from the entirely predictable mistake and will pull a 180 in the coming offseason whether we win the Super Bowl or not.

 

Yes? That's literally every media personality's job, if you don't make hyperbolic, attention-grabbing statements then you don't get views, and if you don't get views you lose your job

 

I think it's fair to say that Allen is the main reason why we make the playoffs every single year, but not the main reason we make the playoffs generally.

 

He has the second-highest contract AAV, so he's going to get "less help" than ~30 other QBs by default.  Them's the breaks.  The fact that he's better than his peers in that price range helps the team, significantly.  Players like Burrow are better pure passers.  Players like Lamar are more dangerous dual-threats.  Allen being the complete package is extraordinarily helpful to the team.

 

This is still a playoff roster with Sam Darnold and a 30 million dollar receiver instead of Allen and Josh Palmer, though.  The defense, OL, and RBs are good enough to regularly make the playoffs with merely "good" QB play and a true #1 wideout.

[QB Bills]

6 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Yes? That's literally every media personality's job, if you don't make hyperbolic, attention-grabbing statements then you don't get views, and if you don't get views you lose your job

 

I think it's fair to say that Allen is the main reason why we make the playoffs every single year, but not the main reason we make the playoffs generally.

 

He has the second-highest contract AAV, so he's going to get "less help" than ~30 other QBs by default.  Them's the breaks.  The fact that he's better than his peers in that price range helps the team, significantly.  Players like Burrow are better pure passers.  Players like Lamar are more dangerous dual-threats.  Allen being the complete package is extraordinarily helpful to the team.

 

This is still a playoff roster with Sam Darnold and a 30 million dollar receiver instead of Allen and Josh Palmer, though.  The defense, OL, and RBs are good enough to regularly make the playoffs with merely "good" QB play and a true #1 wideout.

That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen posted here

[HappyDays]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Bengals miss the playoffs even when Joe was healthy because they have too many issues 

 

Cincy is just a poor comparison all around because they have terrible ownership that refuses to spend money. Pegula gives McDermott and Beane blank checks every year. I don't buy this narrative that Cincy's problems stem from paying Chase and Higgins. If anything the criticism is that they should have paid them one year sooner, and that again goes back to cheap ownership. I mean Cincy right now has $11M in cap space... We're spending right to our limit every year. They have $79M in projected cap space in 2026.

 

I also don't buy that the Bengals have failed Burrow. He is just flat out injury prone. He takes normal NFL hits and misses almost half of his career from them. It's not like they've had trouble scoring points whether with Burrow or one of his backups over the years. That WR tandem is a cheat code that more than makes up for whatever deficiencies exist on offense. As far as their defensive struggles that is partly because of cheap ownership and partly because of poor drafting the last few years.

 

You're not going to sell me on the narrative that the Bengals invested too much in their superstar WR tandem. The other issues that exist there are completely independent of that.

[NeverOutNick]

McD seems the same to me. Not prepared for most games and has to wait for Josh to take over and bail him out. Thankfully this year we also have Cook and now Benford chipping in with the bail outs. But I will give him credit for being more aggressive even if sometimes it’s at the wrong moment (ie Texans low scoring affair, you go for the FG early).