Elijah Moore to Denver PS

[SoCal Deek]

Crap! Now the Broncos are going to learn that we only throw the ball behind the line of scrimmage. 

[CA OC Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

When you find yourself uttering that sentence unsarcastically........just know it means you are talking about a dumb player.

 

In Elijah Moore's last game as a Buffalo Bill........two passes intended for him resulted in interceptions.   

 

That's who he is.

 

I hope Denver figures it out because the way you use him is you throw it where he's supposed to be and then the other team catches it because even they know that's where he was supposed to be.

 

I hope you're right that the issue is that Moore isn't good not that Brady doesn't know how to use him. I've been believing Brady doesn't know how to run a passing offense and Jerry Rice in his prime would never have a pass more than 2 air yards. 

[1st&ten]

54 minutes ago, astb41 said:

Denver expects to see us in the playoffs.  this is purely for information

This is what I thought too, Denver planning ahead for potential opponents but all they have to do is watch tape to figure Brady out. We might have to switch up some of our terminology when calling plays is all.

[jlatas]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

When you find yourself uttering that sentence unsarcastically........just know it means you are talking about a dumb player.

 

In Elijah Moore's last game as a Buffalo Bill........two passes intended for him resulted in interceptions.   

 

That's who he is.

 

I hope Denver figures it out because the way you use him is you throw it where he's supposed to be and then the other team catches it because even they know that's where he was supposed to be.

 

he's had productive seasons elsewhere before the Bills. I love my team but you cant help notice that WR performance has suffered since Brady took over. From Diggs on down...

[MarlinTheMagician]

Dude is now and has always been a bag - never understood the enthusiasm when we signed him.  Best way to use him?  Ball boy. 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, CA OC Bills Fan said:

I hope you're right that the issue is that Moore isn't good not that Brady doesn't know how to use him. I've been believing Brady doesn't know how to run a passing offense and Jerry Rice in his prime would never have a pass more than 2 air yards. 

in his last two years Moore turned a massive 206 targets into a just 1178 yards and 3 tds. 
 

not super exciting efficiency there. 

 

Ill continue to beat the drum- trade McDermott for a top 15 wr and I suspect Brady calls a very different game 

1 hour ago, jlatas said:

he's had productive seasons elsewhere before the Bills. I love my team but you cant help notice that WR performance has suffered since Brady took over. From Diggs on down...

he’s had terribly inefficient seasons before us 

 

he’s never had a season that you’d really point at as a success. 
 

maybe a reason he has 4 jerseys in 5 years. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, CA OC Bills Fan said:

I hope you're right that the issue is that Moore isn't good not that Brady doesn't know how to use him. I've been believing Brady doesn't know how to run a passing offense and Jerry Rice in his prime would never have a pass more than 2 air yards. 

 

The primary issue with the offense is that the Bills have the league's worst WR corps.  

 

The second greatest issue has been Kincaid being unavailable.  When targeted he's been absurdly impactful (155 passer rating when targeted) and IMO they may still be the #1 seed in the AFC. 

 

But the fact that a never-great player like Kincaid can tip the scales illustrates how Brady(and Allen) have just had a very small margin for error as a result of these things.   

 

The Pittsburgh game was interesting in that fans got to see Allen make an egregious pre-snap mental error that lead to the interception that was targeted to Davis and then got to see him turning down wide open....but longer throws....in favor of more ball-safe options.  

 

When you have to win on the ground and don't have anyone who can bail you out downfield on 3rd and 11's  after a running back mades a bad decision or an OL gets a false start.......you REALLY can't afford to turn the ball over.   That's the primary difference between the offense this year and last year.   Last year they had guys like Cooper and Hollins who teams had to respect in Cooper's case........or be surprisingly burnt by in Hollins case.   And they didn't turn the ball over.  

 

Even then, when they faced better teams in the playoffs they couldn't pass the ball effectively.   That's a personnel issue not a coordinator issue.

  

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, jlatas said:

he's had productive seasons elsewhere before the Bills. I love my team but you cant help notice that WR performance has suffered since Brady took over. From Diggs on down...

 

 

Elijah Moore has NEVER had a positive impact on any offense he's played in at the NFL level.   You are looking at bulk stats.   Look at his horrendous 44 passer rating when targeted and 8 interceptions last year with the Browns.   For contrast sake,  Dalton Kincaid has a 155 passer rating when targeted this season.  Moore has always been awful in the NFL.  

 

That's why the league left him blowing in the wind in free agency despite being young and fast and putting up some yardage numbers.  And it's why he just had to take a practice squad job even though teams are desperate for WR depth this late in the year and his remaining salary is a pittance.

 

If the Bills can't make use of him in a system that was intentionally dumbed down to prevent turnovers.......I can't even fathom how a team could use Elijah Moore in a system where he is going to be asked to make significant adjustments to his routes based on coverage/leverage.   I just think it's hopeless for him at this point.   

[NoSaint]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Elijah Moore has NEVER had a positive impact on any offense he's played in at the NFL level.   You are looking at bulk stats.   Look at his horrendous 44 passer rating when targeted and 8 interceptions last year with the Browns.   For contrast sake,  Dalton Kincaid has a 155 passer rating when targeted this season.  Moore has always been awful in the NFL.  

 

That's why the league left him blowing in the wind in free agency despite being young and fast and putting up some yardage numbers.  And it's why he just had to take a practice squad job even though teams are desperate for WR depth this late in the year and his remaining salary is a pittance.

 

If the Bills can't make use of him in a system that was intentionally dumbed down to prevent turnovers.......I can't even fathom how a team could use Elijah Moore in a system where he is going to be asked to make significant adjustments to his routes based on coverage/leverage.   I just think it's hopeless for him at this point.   

woof. I didn’t catch that 8 interception stat. 
 

it kind of matches his status of WR8 with Denver. 

[Mister Defense]

11 hours ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

 

Ray Davis is a solid backup but I want him touching the ball as little as possible to briefly spell Cook, nothing more. Johnson is a great pass catching back and adds a little bit of a compliment but with what we are paying Cook, he should be closer to a 3 down bell cow back, and he has the skills to do it, so that is going to eat into Davis' touches (and Johnson's to an extent) and I'm completely fine with that. Why would we ever want Davis with the ball in his hands vs Cook? 

 

The obvious thing that Beane and McDermott both missed is how bad our WR corp is. It has been laughably bad the last two years. We needed to add two difference makers really, but at least one. And we failed to add a single difference maker in two consecutive offseasons during Josh Allen's prime. That is criminal. 

 

But Cook and Davis make a dynamic one two punch, as they have such different styles of running.  Using Davis more, such as in situations yesterday in Pittsburgh,  would open the offense up more, enabling an even better running attack and opening up the passing game which is much needed right now. 

 

It would rock a defense even more that way, demoralize them more.  And that lack of diversity in the running game would likely change because different backs do better in different plays and have different styles for defenses need to focus on.

 

Even more importantly, with the lack of a good wide receiver group, using two backs more, and getting all of the backs involved in the passing game MUCH more help the passing game come alive. Get these dynamic pass catchers the ball! Been saying that for the last few years, thought this year that would be the case from the get go. It has not.  A poor use of some of the best offensive talent on the Bills right now.

 

But I agree on the lack of pass catchers, and Beane seems to just be digging his heels in now during the season..  Why not sign Jacobi Myers when he was available? And even more recently, Thielen??  Makes no sense--how could Beane look at what the Bills have and determine those two players are not upgrades for the dismal wide receiver group?  Makes me lose some hope in this year.

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

14 hours ago, boyst said:

I don't know that the Broncos have a message board, but I hope that they have a thread announcing the signing of this guy to the practice squad or someone has said the words championship. 

Its a Moral imperative. 

[Mr. WEO]

16 hours ago, boyst said:

That team needs targets downfield for that offense. He can open up their playbook. Let's hope he can latch on and have some great games against everyone but the Bills 

 

it's his 5th team in 5 years--he's not opening playbooks...

 

this dude was the 34th pick in the draft.

[boyst]

25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

it's his 5th team in 5 years--he's not opening playbooks...

 

this dude was the 34th pick in the draft.

Luckily you don't have to know much for the chuck it downfield offense that he offers and the Broncos need.

 

I think the Broncos season ends in the divisional or conf championship round. 

 

It'll be embarrassing when the AFCC is two young up and comers to the conference between New England and Denver. Both will get curb stomped against the top NFC teams.

 

The entire field of the AFC is interesting. Bills a near lock #5 traveling to the AFC North. The Bengals have a decent chance to win that conference, the Ravens slightly lower (IMO), and the Steelers no chance.

 

The Jags as the South hosting the Chiefs, the Patriots at number 2 hosting the #7 is irrelevant.

 

The Chiefs and Bills are playoff seasoned and dangerous. The Chiefs and Bills would easily be more favored than most.

[T master]

17 hours ago, jlatas said:

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1995894007897940119?s=20

 

Maybe they'll figure out how to use him.

Man if the Bills have to play them and this guy catches passes to help them beat us this board will lose it's ever loving mind !!! 

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, boyst said:

Luckily you don't have to know much for the chuck it downfield offense that he offers and the Broncos need.

 

I think the Broncos season ends in the divisional or conf championship round. 

 

It'll be embarrassing when the AFCC is two young up and comers to the conference between New England and Denver. Both will get curb stomped against the top NFC teams.

 

The entire field of the AFC is interesting. Bills a near lock #5 traveling to the AFC North. The Bengals have a decent chance to win that conference, the Ravens slightly lower (IMO), and the Steelers no chance.

 

The Jags as the South hosting the Chiefs, the Patriots at number 2 hosting the #7 is irrelevant.

 

The Chiefs and Bills are playoff seasoned and dangerous. The Chiefs and Bills would easily be more favored than most.

 

Who would curb stomp both of them? Maybe Rams. But Eagles? GB?....Bears??

 

If NE is #2, who is at #1?

[machine gun kelly]

21 hours ago, jlatas said:

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1995894007897940119?s=20

 

Maybe they'll figure out how to use him.

Sean Payton.  Yeah they’ll use him effectively.

[boyst]

26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Who would curb stomp both of them? Maybe Rams. But Eagles? GB?....Bears??

 

If NE is #2, who is at #1?

In the playoffs I'd take KC over NE. I'd take us over them. Phili, Detroit, seasoned teams. New England has not proven themselves as anything more than paper tigers right now. They showed me nothing against Atlanta because Atlanta choked.