Greg Rousseau has turned out to be a complete slug.

[Billsfanatic8989]

It's unbelievable how much money is being paid out to unproductive players. They are all playing hurt, out injured entirely, or suck. 

[DCOrange]

6 minutes ago, LarryMadman said:

Pretty sure they drafted him as an elite QB sack, TFL type of guy as his college stats suggest he was.

 

 

Well I assume they watched him in college rather than just looking at the stats lol. He was always this player and has only gotten better at rushing the passer in the NFL. It was a very well known part of his scouting report in college that he mostly feasted off of the pressures that his teammates generated (and was legitimately good at rushing the passer when he lined up as the DT on 3rd downs but that's not what we drafted him for). Again, it's a valuable skill set to have, but he's never been a guy you expected to just go out and win on the edge.

[RkFast]

1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said:

I agree and no one can use the “but he sets the edge on runs so well” excuse either-the run defense is TERRIBLE!

 

I notice Bosa out there, at times Epenesa is visible on the screen…I never notice Groot out there any more

 

Yeah but he sets the edge. Yeah but he blocks well. Yeah but he plays special teams. 

 

Its a theme..................

[Sargent Hulka]

Phil Dokes and AC Cowlings showed more than Rousseau has.

[DCOrange]

26 minutes ago, colin said:

 

bingo.

 

i think if he stays healthy and plays at the level he's played at since 2024, he was a decent signing, but not a great one.

 

benford to date has been a worse signing.  he's been hurt in each of the last 3 years, and at really bad times.  bernard was paid less, but he's literally one more injury away from being a total bust off contract.  shakir is a good slot player, but he's just a guy who can play, not a difference maker.

 

i think the real issue is we over pay for solid, and horribly over pay for injured, but lack great players (imo a great player is a player who makes players around him better, we have 2-5 of them on the team, and cook and allen are the only elite ones).

 

i think the edmunds comparison is kinda apt.  in retrospect, i wish we signed him and let milano and bernard walk

Completely different topic, but Shakir is a weird one for me because he's clearly the best WR we have right now, but winning from the slot is also the easiest role vs. what we've asked Palmer, Gabe, Keon, etc. to do and despite all the good things Shakir brings to the table, he's never been particularly good at winning against man coverage even with the advantages that playing out of the slot afford you. We have way bigger fish to fry on this offense but I don't think it would be all that difficult to find an upgrade to Shakir too even though he's a pretty good player and again, the best of our bunch.

[Sargent Hulka]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

All of the re signings besides Cook are bad

And Cook was the one made to wait the longest. You take away lucking into Josh Allen, and Brendan Beane is mediocre, at best, as a GM.

[Bruffalo]

I can't help but think that if all the guys we sign are underperforming, that's on the coaching staff. Either the scheme fit isn't right or it's too complicated for them to process quickly. Either way this is becoming ridiculous. 

 

Poona Ford and Tim Settle leave Buffalo and became major contributors almost overnight to their respective teams.

 

It's time to seriously look inward at the organization and figure out why guys are so hot and cold in this system.  

[LarryMadman]

10 minutes ago, RkFast said:

 

Yeah but he sets the edge. Yeah but he blocks well. Yeah but he plays special teams. 

 

Its a theme..................

I know right, he set the edge even on pass plays, lol......and that edge setting works really well as RB run right past him all game long to the tune of 200 yards a game, Or does he set the egde because he cant get past the OL and get to the QB or is that the new excuse for poor play, he just sets the edge.

2 minutes ago, LarryMadman said:

 

 

Edited 35 minutes ago by LarryMadman

[Sargent Hulka]

1 hour ago, somnus00 said:

Teams are supposed to pay top dollar for sacks. Groot has been an elite run defender. But the current defensive unit as a whole is atrocious against the run. So he's not helping there.

 

Long story short, we paid "Batman" level money for Robin.

It might help against the run if we actually had three legitimate NFlLcapable linebackers. Bills LBs are  garbage!

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Completely different topic, but Shakir is a weird one for me because he's clearly the best WR we have right now, but winning from the slot is also the easiest role vs. what we've asked Palmer, Gabe, Keon, etc. to do and despite all the good things Shakir brings to the table, he's never been particularly good at winning against man coverage even with the advantages that playing out of the slot afford you. We have way bigger fish to fry on this offense but I don't think it would be all that difficult to find an upgrade to Shakir too even though he's a pretty good player and again, the best of our bunch.

Shakir is a luxury player.  A Deebo type WR4 to play in the slot and backfield. 
 

He shouldn’t be our primary slot.  And because he is, we can’t play Keon there, we can’t move Gabe or Palmer inside down to down.  We’re completely static in our positions which makes us easier to defend. 

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 hour ago, somnus00 said:

Teams are supposed to pay top dollar for sacks. Groot has been an elite run defender. But the current defensive unit as a whole is atrocious against the run. So he's not helping there.

 

Long story short, we paid "Batman" level money for Robin.

You could say that about most of the players Beane acquires, or extends.  A bunch of overpaid JAGS

[Nuncha]

Rousseau should be running around like a man possessed by now.  He just doesn't play with any fire AT ALL.

[LabattBlue]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Shakir is a luxury player.  A Deebo type WR4 to play in the slot and backfield. 
 

He shouldn’t be our primary slot.  And because he is, we can’t play Keon there, we can’t move Gabe or Palmer inside down to down.  We’re completely static in our positions which makes us easier to defend. 

You aren’t saying Keon would be a better slot player than Shakir…are you?

[ScottishBills]

1 hour ago, Avisan said:

He's not a game-changing pass rusher, but he isn't paid like one, and The guys paid to get to the QB make literally double what he does.

 

Why do people insist on repeating this nonsense talking point?

 

For that to be true it means only Parsons, TJ Watt, Garrett and Crosby could ever get a sack 🤣

 

What you mean is the GM thought that was a better use of 20m than alternative option A, B or C

 

Hunter played last night. 2 years 49m

Bonito 26.5m

Burns leading the whole damn NFL for 28m

Van Ginkel 23m

Josh Sweat 18m

 

Plenty actual difference makers were out there these last couple years

 

[IYKYK]

30 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Well I assume they watched him in college rather than just looking at the stats lol. He was always this player and has only gotten better at rushing the passer in the NFL. It was a very well known part of his scouting report in college that he mostly feasted off of the pressures that his teammates generated (and was legitimately good at rushing the passer when he lined up as the DT on 3rd downs but that's not what we drafted him for). Again, it's a valuable skill set to have, but he's never been a guy you expected to just go out and win on the edge.

But we pay him like he is. He’s a good run defender, below average pass rusher. Yet we pay him 20 million a year. 
Unbelievable!

[IYKYK]

29 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Completely different topic, but Shakir is a weird one for me because he's clearly the best WR we have right now, but winning from the slot is also the easiest role vs. what we've asked Palmer, Gabe, Keon, etc. to do and despite all the good things Shakir brings to the table, he's never been particularly good at winning against man coverage even with the advantages that playing out of the slot afford you. We have way bigger fish to fry on this offense but I don't think it would be all that difficult to find an upgrade to Shakir too even though he's a pretty good player and again, the best of our bunch.

He was terrible last night. Definitely has taken a step back this year. Like most of this team. Resting on their laurels. 

[BADOLBILZ]

46 minutes ago, LarryMadman said:

Pretty sure they drafted him as an elite QB sack, TFL type of guy as his college stats suggest he was.

 

 

 

 

The manner in which he collected sacks was basically about GPS......he is great at locating the QB and if that QB steps up into the pocket he is quick to disengage and a sure tackler.   That's what those sacks were like at Miami.  And he absolutely will be a 10 sack guy opposite a bendy pass rusher on the other side.   The Bills have just never had that for any sustained period with Rousseau here.   I mean, even a later-Bills-career Jerry Hughes who couldn't finish a sack to save his life would be enough opposite Rousseau to trigger a flurry of stats.   When Bosa and Epenesa were playing better during that NE to KC stretch Rousseau was more impactful but now that Joey is Venus de Bosa out there and Epenesa is playing like he's a afraid of contact the side opposite of Rousseau is a sieve and teams are attacking it.

[PetermansRedemption]

1 hour ago, somnus00 said:

Teams are supposed to pay top dollar for sacks. Groot has been an elite run defender. But the current defensive unit as a whole is atrocious against the run. So he's not helping there.

 

Long story short, we paid "Batman" level money for Robin.

We needed Batman, but we got Bate-man

 

[billsfan714]

Only 2 guys on the defense even hit the QB looking at the box score.

[BADOLBILZ]

33 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Completely different topic, but Shakir is a weird one for me because he's clearly the best WR we have right now, but winning from the slot is also the easiest role vs. what we've asked Palmer, Gabe, Keon, etc. to do and despite all the good things Shakir brings to the table, he's never been particularly good at winning against man coverage even with the advantages that playing out of the slot afford you. We have way bigger fish to fry on this offense but I don't think it would be all that difficult to find an upgrade to Shakir too even though he's a pretty good player and again, the best of our bunch.

 

Yeah Shakir has been a liability the last two weeks though........which is new.   I'm not sure it's the injuries as much as maybe his head being in the wrong place with the ill-timed pregnancy but imagining finding an upgrade over Shakir has been REAL easy the past two weeks.