Time to Rebuild? Too Many Beane Holes.

[Yobogoya!]

9 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

I know I didnt hear Rousseau's name mentioned hardly at all during the game, never even noticed him.

 

I often forget he's on the team. 

 

Unless a team is running the ball straight at him, his value doesn't show up much. 

[BillsFan692]

1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:

They’re not doing anything drastic with the new stadium opening next year imo. 

Personally I find this to be a brain dead opinion and I'm not even saying its your opinion people keep saying it but like, what? Bills fans packed the ralph when the bills were in a 20 year drought we arn't going to not go to the new stadium just because they moved on from mcdermott. 

In FACT, it would make for a lot of excitement and I think would increase the interest in attending games.

[Seventeen]

25 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

WR is the most obvious need.  But it goes way beyond that.

• Dion Dawkins is overweight and has regressed badly this season.  Probably time to start planning for the future.
• Khalil Shakir is either being misused, or decided not to show up this season.
• Dalton Kincaid is injury prone and Dawson Knox needs to take a massive pay cut.

Almost the entire defense needs an overhaul.  We are somehow simultaneously undersized AND slow.

• Matt Milano, Taron Johnson and DaQuan Jones are done.  Tre White and Jordan Poyer were done 2-3 years ago.
• Terrell Bernard is too small to play MLB and needs to be replaced.  Extending him was a huge mistake.
• Christian Benford and Greg Rousseau got paid and took the season off.  Apparently extending them was also a mistake.
• Joey Bosa is a good pass rusher and huge liability in run defense.  He should be a specialist, not an every-down player.

 

The Bills need to fire the current front office.  Get a new GM and new coaching staff.

Time to pack it in for this season.  The #1 seed is out of the question.  The AFC East is almost certainly gone.  We are looking at a Wild Card path (at best), and another early playoff exit. 

 

 

Agree with most of this ... where is the strength and conditioning coach to keep guys like Dawkins from stuffing his face and in some semblance of playing shape ?

 

I'd move Bernard back to OLB to replace Milano. 

 

Not sure I'd fire McD, but Beane needs to go. New GM needs to free up some cap, focus on WRs with some speed, CB, MLB and DL.

 

[juno999]

47 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I don’t even know where to go honestly. 
 

We just handed out 4 bad to meh, at best, extensions. 
 

We have a good bit of dead cap. 
 

Have to make decisions on McGovern and Edwards.   Desperately need a true WR1.   If they let those two walk, they need to draft IOL early/mid-rounds and hope SVPG, Anderson and Grable are ready to compete for the spots at a high level. 
 

Defense is a friggin warzone.  Needs everywhere.  Safety opposite Bishop, NCB, probably 2 LB’s, Defense will get back Hoecht, Oliver, Jackson and Carter.  Probably need a run stuffing DT to round out the room, which they don’t believe in.. and a legit pass rusher off the edge which is next to impossible to get with our cap situation and draft position. 

The Bills roster and cap situation is a mess. I believe you let Edwards and McGovern walk especially if you believe their replacements are already on the roster. You’ll probably get comp picks for those two. Draft a WR1 even if it requires a trade up. That’s where I would start. The defense is a royal mess. 

[thronethinker]

21 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

To be determined. The division window opened. Too soon to say they have a SB window.

Ya were saving that for their 70 million shopping spree this summer....

 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

That is not what I meant. If McDermott says I want a fast middle linebacker who excels in coverage, then Beane is tasked with evaluating the players available and attempting to draft that player. A good coach would be more flexible in their scheme and want the best middle linebacker available, period. 

 

Every team has player specifications for what their scheme needs the Bills are not unique on that. Indeed even the teams you probably think are more just draft the best player are probably the strictest on that specification - Ravens and Eagles for example . But I don't think it is ever "just get me a fast linebacker." And if it is then Beane failed with Terrel Bernard! Although to be fair to Beane he did take the best remaining linebacker on the board when he selected Bernard two rounds ahead of where most had him pegged. He is actually an example of a good draft choice (though I am less persuaded he is a good contract extension and said that at the time).

 

They do value coverage ability at linebacker, they value length at edge and at corner, they value movement skills on the offensive line. 

 

But I don't think it is their player specifications that is hurting them with the exception that I think they do under value speed, generally across the roster. 

 

I think their positional value is the bigger issue. And that is on Beane. He drafts to the Gettleman / Hurney rules. And he tells us himself that is what he believes in. Defensive front 7 and Quarterbacks early, oline and running backs next, boundary players last. I know he has drafted two 1st round corners as well but that is only really cos he whiffed so badly on the first one. Elam, Hairston, Bishop and Taron are the only DBs he has taken in the first four rounds in SEVEN drafts.

 

[Luka]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Every team has player specifications for what their scheme needs the Bills are not unique on that. Indeed even the teams you probably think are more just draft the best player are probably the strictest on that specification - Ravens and Eagles for example . But I don't think it is ever "just get me a fast linebacker." And if it is then Beane failed with Terrel Bernard! Although to be fair to Beane he did take the best remaining linebacker on the board when he selected Bernard two rounds ahead of where most had him pegged. He is actually an example of a good draft choice (though I am less persuaded he is a good contract extension and said that at the time).

 

They do value coverage ability at linebacker, they value length at edge and at corner, they value movement skills on the offensive line. 

 

But I don't think it is their player specifications that is hurting them with the exception that I think they do under value speed, generally across the roster. 

 

I think their positional value is the bigger issue. And that is on Beane. He drafts to the Gettleman / Hurney rules. And he tells us himself that is what he believes in. Defensive front 7 and Quarterbacks early, oline and running backs next, boundary players last. I know he has drafted two 1st round corners as well but that is only really cos he whiffed so badly on the first one. Elam, Hairston, Bishop and Taron are the only DBs he has taken in the first four rounds in SEVEN drafts.

 

 

If you are drafting based on your scheme over BPA, then you are doomed in the modern NFL. At this level, the players make the plays. With how much talent the Ravens and Eagles have, I don't think that argument is true. I think their coaching staff and their scheme is more adaptable than Buffalo's. The Ravens have had an excellent defense essentially their entire existence thanks to their talent evaluators and their GM, which tells me they do not draft based on scheme, at least not in the first 3 rounds. They are after the best athletes with production at the highest levels of college football. 

 

You draft for scheme when you're in the 3rd day of the draft and you're looking at limited athletes or guys from small schools that will need to be a "fit" so to speak to be successful at the NFL level. 

 

Is it under valuing speed or is it under valuing physicality in the name of chasing speed? I think that's where they end up with players like Bernard. A little faster than a typical MLB because they want "speed" and "coverage ability" and end up with a guy that can't shed a block of fill a gap. 

 

I do agree that our positional value is completely out of whack. The first two rounds should be producing absolute play makers for your team. And he's whiffed big time in that regard. 

[extrahammer]

One of the most glaring consistent things that confuses the heck out of me since Daboll left especially... we sign or trade for players like Cooper, Moore, Samuel, Palmer, Claypool, and I'm sure there are others that I can't remember right now, but then they hardly see the field. We're not adapting or adjusting at all. 

Edited 47 minutes ago by extrahammer

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Baltimore has been without their QB for a couple games and held it together. 
 

They’re a win on Sunday against the Jets from being one game behind us.  
 

And are predicted to win their division, which that is simply luck as they don’t have a Denver or NE to deal with.  
 

So you can say this if you want, but chances are if we make it, might be heading into Baltimore WC weekend to face the team you’re currently acting like we’re better than. 

Ravens had a Bills/Texans type game against Cleveland, but were able to win because they.. unlike us.. don’t have a soft Defense that gives up 20 points in a half to a bad Offense. 
 

 

and we've been dealing with injuries everywehere else but QB yet we remain at 7-4, sorry I am tired of people thinking that QB injuries alone impact team performance. 

2 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

One of the most glaring consistent things that confuses the heck out of me since Daboll left especially... we sign or trade for players like Cooper, Moore, Samuel, Palmer, Claypool, and I'm sure there are others that I can't remember right now, but then they hardly see the field. 

Injuries to all of them except Moore. 

[OutOfBubbleGum]

1 hour ago, Disgusted ills fan said:

Unpopular opinion, but they should offer Josh, after what this coaching staff and front office (all of them deserve to be fired, btw) have done to him, a chance to go play for his childhood team, the 49ers.  Flame away!

 

If they got 3 or 4 1st round draft picks maybe. Cleveland would trade 5 1st round picks for Josh.

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, Nuncha said:

Samuel, Milano, Knox make way too much for their production.  There are a few others.  Huge contracts for very little on the field needs to be addressed.  

Well Milano is up this year, Samuel could be a post June 1 cut, and Knox could be forced for a reduction in his contract or he can walk.  I agree Knox should accept the pay cut, but he has value in what he does with Kinkaid and Hawes.  We do have a solid RB room, and maybe McGovern and Edwards don’t deserve extensions.  I’m not sure.  We have to get not 1, but 2 high pick WRs, a LB, and a Nickel CB. I HAVE HIGH HOPES Hancock can keep growing into a solid S.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Baltimore has been without their QB for a couple games and held it together. 
 

They’re a win on Sunday against the Jets from being one game behind us.  
 

And are predicted to win their division, which that is simply luck as they don’t have a Denver or NE to deal with.  
 

So you can say this if you want, but chances are if we make it, might be heading into Baltimore WC weekend to face the team you’re currently acting like we’re better than. 

Ravens had a Bills/Texans type game against Cleveland, but were able to win because they.. unlike us.. don’t have a soft Defense that gives up 20 points in a half to a bad Offense. 
 

 

And Houston was gifted 6 points in that first half thanks to lousy turnovers by our offense. Yet I know gotta play better than they did yet the offense, which included a RB that was averaging 6.8 yards per touch couldn't more than a single TD the entire game. Everyone wants to point at everyone but Josh Allen which to me unacceptable. If Lamar or Mahomes played like he did we'd all be pointing the finger at them but because Josh is a God in some fans eyes he not getting flack here. Sorry I'll love Josh when he's great like the 2nd half last week but also get upset if see him play poorly like he has the last few weeks. 

[MarlinTheMagician]

They clearly need a safety to play with Bishop and an LB that can fill.  Can't stand watching our LBs get washed - the game has turned to running the ball more.  And we are going to get Josh killed if we don't get two wideout options that make sense - one being a clear #1 even if not a "Top 10" guy.  Do we have enough to do that if we cut all the dead wood?  

[5ths the charm]

2 hours ago, dcinmuncie said:

I have an idea to rebuild 

 

In free agency, start by overpaying for someone’s gadget wr and pay like a number 2

 

Then the draft is simple 

 

round one

Overdraft a middling prospect for need. I’d start with an undersized, injury prone linebacker in round one 

 

Round two. You can never have too many lineman. So I’d draft a 3 tech d lineman who will get placed on ir week 3

 

round 3: you realized that the 3 tech d lineman will get injured week 3. So you draft another 3 tech that is a hard working, undersized guy. He will tear his acl in training camp

 

round 4: now we are getting serious. We need to double down. So the choice is between another undersized, injury prone linebacker 

vs an undersized 3 tech. I think you choose the undersized linebacker

 

round 5: it’s time to trade down for pics. I’d take 2 injury prone cornerbacks that will likely end up on ir around week 6

 

round 6: time for a 7th o lineman 

he will show progress. Then he will retire after week 8 due to multiple injuries

 

round 7: time for a wide receiver. My goodness, he looks great in camp! He will solve all our wr issues 

now he will get placed on practice squad. And you guessed it. He will get called up week 9 and get placed on ir week 11

 

 

 

thats my plan 

Naw, we cut the 7th rounder he gets picked up by NE and makes probowl in 2 years

[MarlinTheMagician]

With Hoecht back, assuming he is healthy, I think our pass rush could be okay, but we have a hard time getting anybody behind the sticks because we can't stop the run.  It is so annoying!

[Puckman5]

2 hours ago, dcinmuncie said:

I have an idea to rebuild 

 

In free agency, start by overpaying for someone’s gadget wr and pay like a number 2

 

Then the draft is simple 

 

round one

Overdraft a middling prospect for need. I’d start with an undersized, injury prone linebacker in round one 

 

Round two. You can never have too many lineman. So I’d draft a 3 tech d lineman who will get placed on ir week 3

 

round 3: you realized that the 3 tech d lineman will get injured week 3. So you draft another 3 tech that is a hard working, undersized guy. He will tear his acl in training camp

 

round 4: now we are getting serious. We need to double down. So the choice is between another undersized, injury prone linebacker 

vs an undersized 3 tech. I think you choose the undersized linebacker

 

round 5: it’s time to trade down for pics. I’d take 2 injury prone cornerbacks that will likely end up on ir around week 6

 

round 6: time for a 7th o lineman 

he will show progress. Then he will retire after week 8 due to multiple injuries

 

round 7: time for a wide receiver. My goodness, he looks great in camp! He will solve all our wr issues 

now he will get placed on practice squad. And you guessed it. He will get called up week 9 and get placed on ir week 11

 

 

 

thats my plan 

I want to know two things:
 

1. How'd you get a key to Brandon Beane's office?

 

2. Why'd he leave his 2026 draft plan on his desk?

[tigerthelion]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

And Houston was gifted 6 points in that first half thanks to lousy turnovers by our offense. Yet I know gotta play better than they did yet the offense, which included a RB that was averaging 6.8 yards per touch couldn't more than a single TD the entire game. Everyone wants to point at everyone but Josh Allen which to me unacceptable. If Lamar or Mahomes played like he did we'd all be pointing the finger at them but because Josh is a God in some fans eyes he not getting flack here. Sorry I'll love Josh when he's great like the 2nd half last week but also get upset if see him play poorly like he has the last few weeks. 

Have you watched Lamar or Mahomes lately?    

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

If you are drafting based on your scheme over BPA, then you are doomed in the modern NFL. At this level, the players make the plays. With how much talent the Ravens and Eagles have, I don't think that argument is true. 

 

I promise you it is. I have a relationship with someone on the staff in Baltimore. He says their player specifications are absolute. They are interesting because they apply positional value far LESS than many teams. But their specifications on what a D end needs for their scheme, what a corner needs etc are gospel.

[The Jokeman]

Just now, tigerthelion said:

Have you watched Lamar or Mahomes lately?    

Yeah they're both playing poorly, I guess the Ravens and Chiefs should fire their entire coaching staffs and GMs respectively?  But do they get a pass because.....?

[Nuncha]

4 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

They clearly need a safety to play with Bishop and an LB that can fill.  Can't stand watching our LBs get washed - the game has turned to running the ball more.  And we are going to get Josh killed if we don't get two wideout options that make sense - one being a clear #1 even if not a "Top 10" guy.  Do we have enough to do that if we cut all the dead wood?  

The best WR in the world wouldn't have helped Josh last night the way the O-line played.  They were absolutely awful, Dawkins was pathetic.